I don't think it was ever really reliably determined. The estimates bandied about seem to be from 1/1500 to 1/5000.
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I think when I ran my numbers over a month (A year or so ago >.<), with a sample size of 33 ish purples I was getting 1/3700 foes defeated per purple using +8 mobs w/ bosses.
I'd call 122000 kills a good sample size.
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Going by my horrible memory, part of the range is the claim that bosses drop more often than minions.
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Originally Posted by Ironblade
I don't think it was ever really reliably determined. The estimates bandied about seem to be from 1/1500 to 1/5000.
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I'm pretty sure the drop rate is the same across the board - its a small percentage of common pool A drops at level 50 - Bosses drop more Recipes than Minions, as such Purples will drop more often.
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Originally Posted by GavinRuneblade
Going by my horrible memory, part of the range is the claim that bosses drop more often than minions.
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what is the rate of sleep,confuse,hold, and immob
in comparison to or versus
melle, pbaoe, targ aoe, ranged
cause it i think the mezz is 2x-3x more than the dmg types.
Based on my experience for the past two months, they obviously changed the drop rates to 0/5,000. Stealth nerf!
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In the last two weeks I've got two purples (one Coercive Persuasion and the other a Ragnarok: Damage) on a TA defender I run on Freedom maybe three times a week. I've also got two other purples on other characters in trials.
It makes me wonder if the odds are any different in the trials -- I get next to no common or uncommon recipes, but I seem to get more purples per unit time than when I run regular content.
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I haven't been farming recently for purples, now old school in my opinion, but I believe the drops are still the same.
I stuck to the bosses rule because I was pretty sure a lot of the time my purples dropped from them, after all their rate was proportionally better and I could defeat them quicker whilst my AoEs took care of the minions; lieutenants.
I can't remember the statistic either unfortunately, it was a reliable one with a 1/XXXX for minions and 1/XXXX for Lieutenants and 1/XXX for Bosses I think (terrible memory).
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Originally Posted by MrLiberty
I think when I ran my numbers over a month (A year or so ago >.<), with a sample size of 33 ish purples I was getting 1/3700 foes defeated per purple using +8 mobs w/ bosses.
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Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba
I'd call 122000 kills a good sample size.
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I did some math in another thread that was based on the 1/5000 number (which may be accurate for minions, according to these figures). I'll re-run those numbers with this figure and see what happens.
Thank you, MrLiberty.
EDIT: I bet it's too much to ask if anyone's done sufficient testing without bosses to see what numbers could be obtained?
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Did you take a look at Archie Gremlin's old thread? I think this post is the last one were he gave data for. Unfortunately, I don't think he ever released all his collected data.
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I've been trying to find the hard drive where I had the spreadsheets stored (That computer fried, but I know I saved the HD), it wasn't much more than Minions/LT's and Bosses were defeated in between purple drops.|
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Those numbers aren't precise enough for me, but I appreciate seeing the extra results. They don't contradict MrLiberty, which is important and gives me more assurance of his recollections.
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At some point I started to record all recipe drops, but I don't think that was until half way through it. I tried to find the thread before the one mentioned above, but haven't had the free time to track it down recently.
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All drops in a pool have equal weighting*. That means that when you get a purple, you have an equal chance for each set, and an equal chance for each individual recipe within the set. Purple sets include Confuse, Sleep, Hold, Immobilize, Stun, Pet, Melee, PBAoE, Targeted AoE and Ranged damage. That means that each time you get a purple, there's a 50% chance it will be a mez set, a 10% chance for a pet set, and a 40% chance it will be a damage set.|
Originally Posted by graystar_blaster
what is the rate of sleep,confuse,hold, and immob
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So yes, you do have a better chance to get the les valuable recipes, but it's a 60/40 split, or 1.5x more likely. But random is random, so there's no guarantee that you'll get 2 "good" purples for every 3 "crap" ones.
*Drops only. Rolls can have variable weighting.
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This is why purchasing a Purple IO with Alignment/Empyrean Merits cost the same across the board - they're all equally rare, and they're all Unique.
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All drops in a pool have equal weighting*. That means that when you get a purple, you have an equal chance for each set, and an equal chance for each individual recipe within the set.
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All drops in a pool have equal weighting*.
*Drops only. Rolls can have variable weighting. |
ParagonWiki says:
"The combined C & D Pool recipes are now also weighted by usefulness. This means recipes from IO Sets which are used more by players (e.g., melee sets or ranged sets) are more likely to drop than recipes from lesser used IO Sets (such as sniper or taunt). "
This is specifically referring to drops and NOT random rolls.
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The combined Pool C & D recipes (also known as Merit Rolls and Gold Rolls, previously Task Force and Trial rewards, respectively) aren't drops, except the very rare occurrence of one dropping from a boss class enemy.|
Originally Posted by Ironblade
I don't think this is correct. I thought the drop tables were amended to make the more useful recipes drop more often.
ParagonWiki says: "The combined C & D Pool recipes are now also weighted by usefulness. This means recipes from IO Sets which are used more by players (e.g., melee sets or ranged sets) are more likely to drop than recipes from lesser used IO Sets (such as sniper or taunt). " This is specifically referring to drops and NOT random rolls. |
EDIT: A link would be nice. I have no idea where you're quoting that from.
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I've never seen any evidence for [or against] "pool A" recipes being weighted. It doesn't FEEL like I get more melee damage than snipes, which is of course utterly scientific 
I've also never seen any evidence for or against purples being weighted.
As far as linguistic subtleties, I don't see dividing up "random rolls after beating some guy" and "random rolls standing in front of a vendor" as a useful distinction. I could be missing something.
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The combined C/D pool is just one, weighted database table. Whether for a drop or a roll at a vendor, there is only one weighted table.|
Originally Posted by Ironblade
I don't think this is correct. I thought the drop tables were amended to make the more useful recipes drop more often.
ParagonWiki says: "The combined C & D Pool recipes are now also weighted by usefulness. This means recipes from IO Sets which are used more by players (e.g., melee sets or ranged sets) are more likely to drop than recipes from lesser used IO Sets (such as sniper or taunt). " This is specifically referring to drops and NOT random rolls. |
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I really wish I could remember who said it, and it was probably in a Beta forum, so it's likely gone anyways, but when they were weighting the drops, someone publicly said that "natural" drops would continue to have even weighting, and that only rolls would be weighted. At that time, Pool C and D were only available by Merit Roll; boss drops had not yet been added, so I suspect that they were specifically talking about Pool A and Pool B drops maintaining equal drop rates.
Unfortunately, without knowing where to find the post, I can't go back to reread the post to either confirm this, or see that I had misread it.
However, I am sure that what I said with regards to purples (ie, each has an equal chance to each other) is correct.
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I got 2 purple drops yesterday during 5 tip missions, 1 paper mission and 1 morality mission. Difficulty is +2x8 and the team cleared the map.
Purples are 1 ragnarok and 1 Grav anchor.
All I can say is: you mileage may vary and random is random. 
Just looking for confirmation on purple drop odds. I remember reading a thread at one point which stated a minion has a 0.02% chance to drop a purple recipe when defeated (one in five thousand). I seem to also remember that an LT drops twice as often and a boss three times. My memory is fuzzy at best, though; can anyone confirm this?
I hate making a new thread, but I can't seem to find any thread where this number was determined.
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