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Awww....JLU always made me hope for Batman/WonderWoman couple.|
Originally Posted by Hazmatter
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Superman and Wonder Woman will supposedly be publicly linked as a "couple," though whether that turns out to be genuine or simply tabloid assumption remains to be seen. LoSH will be relaunched as Legion Lost... again. No idea how or even if this will be similar to the previous title by DnA. Deadman will be the star of Adventure Comics. The multi-color Lantern Corps still seem to be in-continuity, since they'll be getting their own new series. Check here for more snippets, including the full JLA cover art with redesigns for Batman, Flash and Cyborg. |
Still don't care for WW being in the long leggings.
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v.v They handled why Wonder Woman and superman is stupid a long time ago...
And why would you take Gail Simone, one your best writers off Birds of Prey... Perhaps they intend on putting her back on Wonder Woman to fix that garbage before destroying it again.
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Looks like a hybrid of the old suit and the new costume. Hopefully she ends up with some variation of red boots to add something to the solid black leggings.|
Originally Posted by Samothrake
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Please correct me if I am wrong in thinking that this is the first glimpse we have for the new universes costumes, because if its not the following statements will not make much sense. Wonder Womans costume what we can see of it looks very much like the current one, minus the arm straps and jacket, and with a few tweaks here and there. The bottom is hard to tell if it is supposed to be black, or dark navy blue. I am leaning towards black, because her hair has the traditional so black its blue highlights, but I rather hope that part is a dark blue. I also see elements from the failed television show in there. To me, it looks interesting. |
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Originally Posted by Samothrake
... Supermans costume seems to be mostly the classic design. I rather like the high collar, but Im not sold on the S shield design. It also looks like they ditched the underwear on the outside part as well. This Superman looks to be in his mid 20s instead of the early-mid 30's we have nowadays.
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Originally Posted by Samothrake
... Aquaman has the most recent scale mail top, and looks to be very much the Brightest Day suit, with the high collar of Superman and Green Lantern. Not really that much different.
Overall, I look forward to DC revealing the updated looks of more of its heroes in next three months. And you know they will. And hopefully, we can have some lively discussion here with those new costumes. |
Oh, and Batman's costume has minor tweaks too. as far as I can tell so far, his gloves look to be more armored, and the yellow around the bat on his chest is gone, again.
Tales of Judgment. Also here, instead of that other place.
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Maybe it's just me, but I think Batman's redesign seems inspired by his look in the Arkham games. Which is a good thing. Not sure yet how I feel about the more "armored" appearance of characters like the Flash, though.
And yes, JLU and Blackest Night made me a Bruce/Diana shipper. Plus I'm sick and tired of pairing Supes and Wondie in Elseworlds stories, so I'm reeeeally hoping that angle is going to be more of a public perception thing.
Makes me wonder if Booster Gold will be the only one left who remembers the previous timeline once all is said and done... though I'm glad to hear they're keeping around characters like JaimeBeetle and Batwoman. And I'll probably at least look at Robinson's Hawkman series.
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Not a fan.
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As a fan of Stephanie Brown and Zatanna's solo books, I'm worried.
As someone who likes the Batman books in general, I'm concerned.
As someone who was over the moon that Swamp Thing was recently brought back into the mainstream DC universe, I hope I have no reason to be upset in the near future.
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As a fan of Stephanie Brown and Zatanna's solo books, I'm worried.
As someone who likes the Batman books in general, I'm concerned. |
Are we going to have to go back to Dick Grayson being Robin? Will he be Nightwing from the get-go? If he is, WAS he Robin before? What about Batgirl? Will Barbara Gordon be back? What about Tim and Steph? What about Cassandra Cain? (that would actually be one way to get me onboard with this, if it undid the horrid character assassination they did to Cass)
It really is gonna be a wait and see situation. Though DC, if you wanna get ME onboard, gimme a "Batgirl & Spoiler" ongoing with Cass and Steph. I'll back you all the way.
Given Cyborg is on the JLA from the getgo, that there is a new Birds of Prey series scheduled, and that the new GL book mentions stuff happening from Blackest Night/Brightest Day, i don't think this is a Crisis style reboot. But im gonna wait n see over the next couple of months. Hope for the best that i'll still be collecting DC by the end of the year, or plan for the worst and stay hooked on Dark Horse and IDW titles. :P
I'm wary of this at best. Done properly, it could be a wonderful thing, allowing them to streamline the DCU in a very good way. Done improperly, it could end up being a certifiable damn nightmare.
I remember when they did the first Crisis on Infinite Earths all those years ago, and I was so excited that they were going to bring everything and everyone into one cohesive world. I was sadly disappointed when I discovered afterwards that they really didn't have much of an editorial direction determining what that new world was going to be. They seemed to let creators just run every which way with things, resulting in the mess that they've tried to clean up multiple times now.
IF there is a strong editorial mandate from the top, then I think they can make this work. If there's not, I think we'll be looking at another new mega-crisis in about 5 years.
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You mean Spider-man asked Mephisto for a Mephisto Mindwipe of DC Comics?
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Originally Posted by CaptainFoamerang
Correction: I blame whoever mindwiped the concept of Elseworlds stories from the DC staff.
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See that's the thing I like where the Bat family is for the most part.|
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These are my main questions.
Are we going to have to go back to Dick Grayson being Robin? Will he be Nightwing from the get-go? If he is, WAS he Robin before? What about Batgirl? Will Barbara Gordon be back? What about Tim and Steph? What about Cassandra Cain? (that would actually be one way to get me onboard with this, if it undid the horrid character assassination they did to Cass) It really is gonna be a wait and see situation. Though DC, if you wanna get ME onboard, gimme a "Batgirl & Spoiler" ongoing with Cass and Steph. I'll back you all the way. |
Have you read the recent Jason Todd stuff? It's brilliant
I still think Tim should be Robin in terms of names, but I can live with the change as it happened
Dick & Damian are a great Batman and Robin.
Stephenie is just coming into her own and while I don't like what they have done with Cassandra Cain they could give her a new name and as long as it doesn't suck i'd be happy with it.
I want to see more of Crimson (i think that was her name; Jason's sidekick) and Batwoman as well as Flame Bird (i believe is the name she is going with now)
And I definitely want to see a return of young justice characters as well as a book focusing on Misfit and Black Alice... 2 awesome characters that haven't been used that much but they have a great set up and a great yin yang thing that would work for a title.
That have so much that could work within those characters, but all they seem to want to do is throw it away... It screams of lack of creativity to me.
Given more to work with today.
Green Lantern with Gatling guns? Movie tie-in anybody?
Flash suit tweaks are minor. Looks like the symbol on his chest is more of a solid, raised emblem thing than just fabric of the suit like we have had previously.
Batman costume looks to be minor tweaks, as someone else said. A more solid looking glove. And what looks to be a bit of a utility belt redesign. Possibly a bit more solid cowl, as well.
Cyborg looks good. Not fond of the extra metal around his chin and cheekbones, however.
Wonder Woman looks to have the full leggings. I wont say thats bad, but I wont say its good either. Still cannot tell if they are supposed to be black or dark blue.
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Looks like Hal's, er.... compensating.
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Given more to work with today. Green Lantern with Gatling guns? Movie tie-in anybody? Flash suit tweaks are minor. Looks like the symbol on his chest is more of a solid, raised emblem thing than just fabric of the suit like we have had previously. Batman costume looks to be minor tweaks, as someone else said. A more solid looking glove. And what looks to be a bit of a utility belt redesign. Possibly a bit more solid cowl, as well. Cyborg looks good. Not fond of the extra metal around his chin and cheekbones, however. Wonder Woman looks to have the full leggings. I wont say thats bad, but I wont say its good either. Still cannot tell if they are supposed to be black or dark blue. |
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Yeah, I think the placing of the gatling gun was... unfortunate.
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Looks like Hal's, er.... compensating.
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What is this going to do to the Question? Will it be Rene Montoya or Vic Sage? Rene hasnt been featured doing much since the changeover, that I know.
As others have said, what does this do to the Bat Family? Whos under the cowl in that picture? I rather like the idea of keeping the Bat Family large. With Bruce Wayne as the bank roller and support. Have Batman be Dick, keep Stephanie as Batgirl and Kathy Kane as Batwoman. (I really like the Batwoman costume.) Tim or Damian as Robin, I dont really. Though keeping Tim as Red Robin can keep his character growth. Heck, if we tie Bruce into the Justice Society, we can keep his as the mentor of the whole Batclan and keep him in his 40s. I rather like idea.
Who is under the Flash mask? For the past 25 years (post Crisis) I have preferred Wally. He has had the most growth as a character. But DC has recently been on a Barry kick, so I suspect that who we see here his Barry. The Flash family has both a bigger and smaller problem compared to the Bat-family, in that there are actually currently four generations of Flash active. Jay Garrick, the first Flash is still running around with the Justice Society. Barry, of course, was recently brought back from the dead/Sped Force. I havent followed his title since his return. But I now hear that Barry is supposed to be the Speed Force. Which makes no sense with the speedsters from say the 1800s like Max Mercury having access to the force. I really like the legacy that the Flash family had going. Wallys assumption of the Flash mantle was really the first time any side-kick had been able to step up and continue the legacy of their partner. This reboot makes all that history questionable.
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Originally Posted by Samothrake
Green Lantern with Gatling guns? Movie tie-in anybody? Flash suit tweaks are minor. Looks like the symbol on his chest is more of a solid, raised emblem thing than just fabric of the suit like we have had previously. Batman costume looks to be minor tweaks, as someone else said. A more solid looking glove. And what looks to be a bit of a utility belt redesign. Possibly a bit more solid cowl, as well. Cyborg looks good. Not fond of the extra metal around his chin and cheekbones, however. Wonder Woman looks to have the full leggings. I wont say thats bad, but I wont say its good either. Still cannot tell if they are supposed to be black or dark blue. |
Also, are ALL supers in tights going to have the same high collar?
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After reading the Flashpoint Abin Sur GL tie-in today, I have a theory about this relaunch.
In that book, the appearance of Abin, Sinestro, the Guardians and Oa seem to be more in line with the designs that we've seen from the upcoming movie. This makes me wonder if DC is doing this in order to have a ground-up cohesive redesign of their universe to draw from in marketing new films and other media, while hopefully bringing in new readers and keeping the old.
In other words, if this line-wide relaunch and the GL movie don't go over well, put me squarely in the "doom" camp. If they can actually pull it off and do it right... well, we'll see.
I'm still not gonna play DCUO, though.
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Same here, except it's those 2 plus Image, Vertigo and BOOM! Studios for me.
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Hope for the best that i'll still be collecting DC by the end of the year, or plan for the worst and stay hooked on Dark Horse and IDW titles. :P
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so your theory is that they are making it more like the dumbed down CG garbage that they have been throwing at us to get more readers? That's not too bright... oooh I know lets call this new era "Darkest Night"!
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Originally Posted by Hazmatter
After reading the Flashpoint Abin Sur GL tie-in today, I have a theory about this relaunch.
In that book, the appearance of Abin, Sinestro, the Guardians and Oa seem to be more in line with the designs that we've seen from the upcoming movie. This makes me wonder if DC is doing this in order to have a ground-up cohesive redesign of their universe to draw from in marketing new films and other media, while hopefully bringing in new readers and keeping the old. In other words, if this line-wide relaunch and the GL movie don't go over well, put me squarely in the "doom" camp. If they can actually pull it off and do it right... well, we'll see. I'm still not gonna play DCUO, though. |
I'm at work, so cant open some of the links, so hoping someone can answer a question for me.
Does this mean there getting rid of Superboy again? I swear if they ditch Conner again, I'm done with DC forever.
Willpower has more passive regen than Regen does. Who thought that was a good idea?
Can we get a fix for Energy Melee instead of more new sets?
No word yet on the status of Superboy, or indeed most of the "sidekick" (or formerly such) characters.
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I'll pick up the remaining back issues of things that I've missed, like Gotham City Sirens and whatnot, but I think this'll kill any interest in DC for me.|
Originally Posted by sleestack
Same here, except it's those 2 plus Image, Vertigo and BOOM! Studios for me.
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Which is a shame.
Image/IDW/Dark Horse/and manga publishers are it. DC needs to realize they and Marvel aren't the only game in town any more. This is the classic case of taking the bird in the hand for granted and chasing after the two in the bush that they'll never catch...
Looks at Marvel and notes, they haven't had a single reboot, and just seem fine.
Looks at the negatives for,
-Inevitably loses a rich background history
-Inevitably messes up somewhere, looks at Hawkman for a momment, possibly the most messed up comic character of all time, for a long time, by comparison, Wolverine, the Marvel Character with the most messed up background, is much easier to understand
-Does tend to make long time readers lose interest in their favorite toons
*Note, I will say Marvel has made their fare share of major mistakes in the last few years, i.e. the entire Mutant Depowering thing, or bringing back Bucky
Reasons why they may think it is a swift idea
-Boost sales, not sure about this, considering they just had a reboot not that long ago.
-Try to make characters more appealing to the masses, sorry there is no easy route here beyond good writting and art, notes their efforts with WW in the last few years in that direction have been a disaster
-Explain the no aging thing, to give DC credit here, the classic Titan crew are at least twenty-somethings now, looks at Franklin Richards who has been a kid forever. I think it would be interesting to have some of their characters age. Note there are some ways around this, Superman and the other other alien characters likely live much longer than humans, WW may not age due to her nature, same goes with some of their mystical characters, a side benifit of being metahuman is slower aging, Batman keeps his youth via a Laz Pit, etc.
-Running out of good story ideas, again easily overcome with good writters
complaints about age are dumb...
At most most characters are like late 40s... Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise are the same age Batman and most of the older generation are.
Almost all characters in DC comics have experienced some sort of age effecting magic to varying degrees and even though some have been reversed or nullified there is no telling just how that would effect people in general. And JSA who are all in their 80s use age mage to make them like 30-40
And thats without taking into account higher technology and people who live healthier lives tend to live longer more vital lives and look younger for longer...and just about every character we know of is highly active highly trained healthy people in a world with technology better than ours with access to technology better than their world...
I don't see an age problem for most characters... I can only really think of 3 characters that are semi messed up age wise... Alfred Pennyworth and Leslie Thompkins who are in their 80/90s and Jimmy Olsen who should be like 30 to 40 years old, but he's like 20ish and we can explain this away by dismissing Jimmy Olsen being around for most of the Pre-Crisis decade of the modern age...
More news/rumors:
Superman and Wonder Woman will supposedly be publicly linked as a "couple," though whether that turns out to be genuine or simply tabloid assumption remains to be seen.
LoSH will be relaunched as Legion Lost... again. No idea how or even if this will be similar to the previous title by DnA.
Deadman will be the star of Adventure Comics.
The multi-color Lantern Corps still seem to be in-continuity, since they'll be getting their own new series.
Check here for more snippets, including the full JLA cover art with redesigns for Batman, Flash and Cyborg.
There is an art, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss. --The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy