I'll be damned
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Posted on: 2011-05-25 13:27 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
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As UberGuy said, Zwill has confirmed End & Rech will stay the same.|
Originally Posted by Nihilii
QoL for most, nerf for me. I used to keep shields up *and* blast/debuff without a trouble, now I will have to either stick glued to the team (ugh) or buff significantly less people, even if the recharge stays the same - and I'm doubtful it will.
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Now its just a matter of tossing out a single buff pre or post combat.
You can toss it as many times as you need.
You can actually continue to use it exactly like you do now and buff everyone on the team by targeting them individually - you will be spending the exact same amount of endurance.
Or you can wait for the small opportunities where you can nail everyone at once - with a bonus of time gained.
You're saying you can blast and buff, and I believe you. But this is like the melee cone issue.
You will now have more time to blast than you did, this is a given - and at worst, you can continue buffing exactly like you do now at no penalty.
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Originally Posted by Nihilii
Complain about teeth gnashing all you want, this change will hurt my performance
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Originally Posted by UberGuy
According to Z the costs and recharge will remain exactly as they are. Apparently, you will be able to buff exactly as you do now, but buff everyone in a 30' radius, just 'cause.
I find it a little hard to wrap my head around that, since I think it throws a number of powers from different powersets out of whack with respect one another, but that's what we're being told. |
More reasons for more people to play buffers.
My opinion is that this will see more people being buffed on trials, especially Lambda.
The trials were designed with cooperative team play in mind with no one power build prevailing. This helps smooth out some of the rough edges for the majority of the player base who are not bloodthirsty power gamers (like me
).This will also alleviate people who were playing dedicated "buff bots" who were frantically trying to "keep the team alive" and losing out on participation.
Now they have no excuses, lets hope they had a few slots to spare for their attacks.
Wow, you're right everyone. Sorry, I completely misunderstood that. The idea of a targeted AoE 30 foot radius buff with the same recharge is so insanely powerful my mind assumed the worst case scenario, heh. Thanks for clearing that up for me. 
Any idea yet who "eligible" targets are? Is it just team members, team members including only your pets, just league members, league members including pets, every living thing in the general area, etc?
Also, will the power change for critters? The Rikti might have just gotten a LOT more interesting. 
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I honestly dont know. I do know that it is intended to be used with league members at least. I would hope pets as well, otherwise mm's get a wee bit of the shaft. Of course, watching 3 sets of mm pets on sb is popcorn worthy.
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Originally Posted by Oedipus_Tex
Any idea yet who "eligible" targets are? Is it just team members, team members including only your pets, just league members, league members including pets, every living thing in the general area, etc?
Also, will the power change for critters? The Rikti might have just gotten a LOT more interesting. |
Well, I WAS going to state that I had mixed feelings about making the shields/buffs into AoE versions ... until the later posts pointed out that I had made the same mistake in reading and comprehension.
PBAoE shields/buffs = mixed feelings (I'm a buff-on-the-go type)
Targetted AoE shields/buffs (with massive recharge and/or end changes) = mixed feelings
Targetted AoE shields/buffs (with no other changes) = WOOT!
Now I guess the only thing I can complain (kind of) about is how hard/expensive it's going to be to get some of those auras onto my low-level toons, since I HATE the idea of having them locked behind Incarnate stuff (the incarnate armor I don't really mind...it's in concept, mostly..but the auras I want) as I don't do any of the Incarnate stuff.
Oh well, if I have to, I have to. But I'm hoping there's another way to get ahold of the auras.
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My main can have Non-Praetorian pets?
*Faints*
*Wakes up*
There's new auras and costumes for Incarnates?
*Faints*
*Wakes up*
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MY MASTERMIND CAN CAST HER THERM SHIELDS AS AN AOE NOW?
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ETA: No, you can't get incarnate threads for reward merits. STILL GLORIOUS THOUGH
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OMG!... I nearly choked on my Mtn. Dew while reading those notes.
Full of Win is a understatment...
My only issues... why didn't you tell us sooner about what we could redeem astral/emp merits for. At least a over view (you can buy recipes, costume options, and some upgrades later on blah blah).
And... as a speed boost hater... Well I;m willing to take one for the team since this will make everything 10 times better over all for buffers and teammates a like.
Mmm... I might have to pull out my Thermal/Force Field toon again LOL. I really really hated having to bubble everything x2.
Only concearn about the buffs now... kind sounds like you can't buff someone outside your team. Maybe I just understood that wrong, its a small cost if its true, just wont be able to buff random people you meet anymore.
A little annoyed with the prospect of having to do more Trials just for some of these new goodies.. but at least thiers a 3rd trial coming. I've certainly had my fill with the first 2, so much in that I dont even want to work on a 2nd toon to go incarnate. Alpha is good enough for them.
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My two main guys are Ice/Them and Dark/Cold, this is going to be soooo much fun. I've always enjoyed the buffs/debuffs of those sets and haven't seen many around latly. Really hoping this will get others into those sets again.
Pain, Poison and Empathy need some buffin wuvvin.
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I agree. Fort and AB as League-wide PBAOE buff plox!!|
Originally Posted by New Dawn
Pain, Poison and Empathy need some buffin wuvvin.
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I'm a speed boost lover, and I can't imagine anyone not loving it.|
Originally Posted by Breog
And... as a speed boost hater... Well I;m willing to take one for the team since this will make everything 10 times better over all for buffers and teammates a like.
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But I applaud your ability to be rational here.
If you have time, please post your response in the official discussion thread where there is a clear loss of sanity and chaos has fully ensued.
To bad Frostworks didn't get turned into groupwide buff.
And here I just got done telling someone I liked Pain better then Thermal because of the 1 button buff.
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Unlike the shield buffs, which have such a fast native recharge and are intended to be applied to the entire team - buffs like Frostworks are clearly intended to be limited to a single target with its 60s recharge.
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Originally Posted by Breog
To bad Frostworks didn't get turned into groupwide buff.
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So it's like a "target aoe" buff around the Ally then. The ally and the teammates around the ally within 30 radius will get the buff (except for yourself). |
Originally Posted by UberGuy
According to Z the costs and recharge will remain exactly as they are. Apparently, you will be able to buff exactly as you do now, but buff everyone in a 30' radius, just 'cause.
I find it a little hard to wrap my head around that, since I think it throws a number of powers from different powersets out of whack with respect one another, but that's what we're being told. |
This doesn't just sound like "Quality of Life" improvement. It sounds like a HUGE BUFF to the the powersets because now they can spend more time doing dps than trying to put shields up on everyone.
The only concern is, is this too big of a buff for Speed Boost? I've always thought speed boost is so good but it takes effort to keep it up. Now with 30 radius, it makes Kinetic even better and I honestly can't think of any reason to make Kinetic even better. I can see that Force Shield and Sonic Res needing the buffs, but Kinetic?
Cold Domination already has one of the best debuffs in the game and now they are going to make it even better?
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
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Originally Posted by New Dawn
Pain, Poison and Empathy need some buffin wuvvin.
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/Poison needs the most buffs IMO.
It's funny that every time they buff certain sets, other sets immediately seem weaker. :P
My vote would be to make Force Field, Sonic and Thermal target aoe. Let Cold Domination and Kinetic stay the same way. I've heard complaints on people NOT wanting speed boost. It does happen. Force Field and Sonic need this buff the most IMO as buffing is a huge part of the set and it can get really boring soon if you need to keep buffs up on everyone.
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
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Balance by annoyance/frustration is not balance.|
Originally Posted by Jibikao
The only concern is, is this too big of a buff for Speed Boost? I've always thought speed boost is so good but it takes effort to keep it up. Now with 30 radius, it makes Kinetic even better and I honestly can't think of any reason to make Kinetic even better. I can see that Force Shield and Sonic Res needing the buffs, but Kinetic?
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And people keep it maintained already, this just allows them to play the game as opposed to being a buff bot.
Diminishing returns already takes care of high end builds getting Speed Boosted - its mostly low powered teams (the ones who need the biggest equalizers) who see a huge and sudden play improvement.
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Originally Posted by Jibikao
I've heard complaints on people NOT wanting speed boost.
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Give them the option to disallow buffs if its such an issue, of course they always have the option of quitting and finding a team to match their playstyle - which is better for all parties rather than have them fail to keep up on a hyperspeed murderfest team who stops for nothing or careening into walls because they can't control the movement increase (This still stuns me that people complain of this).
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I may indeed bring back my kinetics defender because of this.
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Originally Posted by Deus_Otiosus
And people keep it maintained already, this just allows them to play the game as opposed to being a buff bot.
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I totally don't get why people don't want speed boost, its +rech AND +Recov for Christ sake, guess they are just too slow to be able to control it. But i guess some people just don't think fast enough, it's not like they can help it. It's not like the CHOSE to ride the short bus.|
Originally Posted by Deus_Otiosus
Give them the option to disallow buffs if its such an issue, of course they always have the option of quitting and finding a team to match their playstyle - which is better for all parties rather than have them fail to keep up on a hyperspeed murderfest team who stops for nothing or careening into walls because they can't control the movement increase (This still stuns me that people complain of this).
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Anyway, i cant wait for all most new lore pets. So many look cool, of course lore is still going to be the worst iSlot out there. and keye's reactor sounds pretty tough
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Easy now. Some people who play this game are older, have vision problems, or just have poor performance computers. I see no reason to go to insults over it.|
Originally Posted by ultrawatt
I totally don't get why people don't want speed boost, its +rech AND +Recov for Christ sake, guess they are just too slow to be able to control it. But i guess some people just don't think fast enough, it's not like they can help it. It's not like the CHOSE to ride the short bus.
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All the recovery and recharge in the world won't help if you can no longer control your character, regardless of your reasons.
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Ah, that is a good point. Seems everyone that plays this game has kids. I guess when you are young you are supposed to have a life >.<
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
Easy now. Some people who play this game are older, have vision problems, or just have poor performance computers. I see no reason to go to insults over it.
All the recovery and recharge in the world won't help if you can no longer control your character, regardless of your reasons. |
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LOL, low level grinding and 50+ end game... get it!?
Seriously, an easy way to solve this may be if you want to target all peeps for a buff then click on *yourself* in the team/league list, make an anouncement and buff. Otherwise target individuals. Possible?
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Originally Posted by Kractis_Sky
LOL, low level grinding and 50+ end game... get it!?
Seriously, an easy way to solve this may be if you want to target all peeps for a buff then click on *yourself* in the team/league list, make an anouncement and buff. Otherwise target individuals. Possible? |
You can't target yourself. Its also unnecessary for what you are describing.
Yeah, they're not changing to PBAoEs. What we're being told adds up to them working just like they do now, except they'll spray everyone in 30' of the target with the same buff.
If that's correct, I don't think this hoses anyone's playstyle. This is actually important to me and those I play with, because we never huddle for buffs - we always run and gun, and buffers buff on-the-go. If the buffs became PBAoE, or got their cost raised or recharge slashed, that would be a lot less effective than it is now.
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