Notice -> Emp Merit conversion
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Adeon Hawkwood,
Posted on: 2011-05-15 05:01 in Suggestions and Ideas
And reverse, Emp to Notice! (Don't think they do now, if so I wasted a lot of time trying to build a notice!)
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That is a very good point, actually. Concurred!
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Originally Posted by Remaugen
And reverse, Emp to Notice! (Don't think they do now, if so I wasted a lot of time trying to build a notice!)
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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/signed on both accounts lol
with maybe a timer on the empyrean to notice since you can get several empyrean merits a day
Agreed, did think of that when looking at the suggestion actually. A 1:1 conversion once every seven days (with NO added arbitrary costs, thank YOU!) would work just fine.
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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/signed, so that having a Notice of the Well actually has a point again.
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And perhaps a favor of the well could be used to make 2 empyreans?
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Originally Posted by Kirsten
And perhaps a favor of the well could be used to make 2 empyreans?
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Perfect!
Perfect? That's a fool's deal if you can use a Notice to make one Empyrean.
Issue 16 made me feel like this.
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Not if you have surplus Notices!
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Originally Posted by Vanden
Perfect? That's a fool's deal if you can use a Notice to make one Empyrean.
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2 Notices PLUS lots of shards (30-something?) is a pretty rum deal.
It'd be nice if we didn't have to pay to turn useless shards into useful threads though -_-
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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I would be happy if an Emp conversion to either Hero or Villian merits on a 1:1 basis was allowed
/sign on both accounts
Signed as well
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Signed as long as it has an inf cost of something like 10m attached.
The game desperately needs influence sinks.
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I think it should have an influence cost to it!
Emp Merit breaks down into 10 threads.
Notice breaks down into 4-6 Shards.
10 Shards can be turned into 10 Threads once every 20 hours.
So a Notice isn't worth an EMp Merit.
So tack on a 50million Influence to that sucker!
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Notices already have a once a week time gate on them. I see absolutely no reason whatsoever to add anything more onto that.
And, Brand, the Emp Merits break down into 20 threads. That on top of the Notice breakdown being total and utter bollocks, not to mention most of the shard related stuff, but thats a whole other, pardon the pun, thread.
Finally, no. Just because certain people have billions excreting from every orrifice is NOT a good reason for everyone to get smacked with the jerk stick and penalised with 10mil costs on things that make no sense. As is now, I have no reason to even glance at the WST on my main. Why should I? I have a T4 Alpha that Im not moving. The WST offers me nothing. I can't change it into something I can use, its break down is of no use to me (shard 'upgrades' have a criminal price tag)
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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Emp Merit breaks down into 20 threads.
Notice breaks down into 4-6 Shards.
Except for the fact that you can't use shards for anything but the alpha slot, 4 shards ~ 20 threads, being as you need 20 threads to create a common component and you need 4 shards to create a common component.
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Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
Notices already have a once a week time gate on them. I see absolutely no reason whatsoever to add anything more onto that.
And, Brand, the Emp Merits break down into 20 threads. That on top of the Notice breakdown being total and utter bollocks, not to mention most of the shard related stuff, but thats a whole other, pardon the pun, thread. Finally, no. Just because certain people have billions excreting from every orrifice is NOT a good reason for everyone to get smacked with the jerk stick and penalised with 10mil costs on things that make no sense. As is now, I have no reason to even glance at the WST on my main. Why should I? I have a T4 Alpha that Im not moving. The WST offers me nothing. I can't change it into something I can use, its break down is of no use to me (shard 'upgrades' have a criminal price tag) |
First off you get bonus merits from doing the WST, that right there is usually worth it imo.
Next, you get a Notice, which you can just break down into shards, which you can then convert to Threads...10 Shards+ 2.5 million influence for 10 Threads every 20 hours.
I have yet to see a downside to the WST. Not to mention the big XP end of TF boost it gives you, that you can use on leveling characters.
No. I don't see a need to just make Notice = Emp Merits without something more added in. Maybe not the 50million Influnece I suggested, but enough to be substatial.
Like you said, I was wrong, the Emp Merit gives you 20 threads.
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1 Empyrean Merit = 1 Notice of the Well = 1 Alignment Merit.
Seems like a very fair and balanced conversion in any direction to me. If you MUST have an influence component then it really shouldn't be too excessive. 50k - 100k Max in my opinion.
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No. No, no, no, no, no. Putting an inf cost on ANYTHING Incarnate related was a bloody stupiud and uterly arbitrary choice in the first place, one I find abhorent to its very core. Have you SEEN the Rare and Very Rare 'thread' conversions? There is absolutely nothing about those which is in any way reasonable. The seem to, unreasonably, assume that every characterhas Inf coming out the wazzoo and is just waiting to burn it.|
Originally Posted by BrandX
Well why exactly do you find the WST offers you nothing?
First off you get bonus merits from doing the WST, that right there is usually worth it imo. Next, you get a Notice, which you can just break down into shards, which you can then convert to Threads...10 Shards+ 2.5 million influence for 10 Threads every 20 hours. I have yet to see a downside to the WST. Not to mention the big XP end of TF boost it gives you, that you can use on leveling characters. No. I don't see a need to just make Notice = Emp Merits without something more added in. Maybe not the 50million Influnece I suggested, but enough to be substatial. Like you said, I was wrong, the Emp Merit gives you 20 threads. |
And why would I bother doing the WST when I have no need for shards? 'Upgrading' shards to threads? 10:10 is the only decent conversion rate going, and I refuse to pay 2.5 million just to turn something utterly pointless into something I can use, when it should be a 1:1 upgrade for free.
I get that the Incarnate stuff is challenging, hard, whatever. NONE of that equates to 'ripping me off hand over fist because we can!' And if it does, well that's a bloody stupid metric then, isn't it?
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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You make it sound like the money's real.
Issue 16 made me feel like this.
Warning: This poster likes to play Devil's Advocate.
Besides the point, really. It's an arbitrary limit that serves no real purpose. It stinks of bad design, and I hate bad design.
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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It's not the influence that bothers me. 2.5 million influence to a level fifty? In the time you earn up 10 shards, you've covered the cost to convert them. No, what bothers me is you have to wait for 10 drops before you can even make any threads of them. When all I need is 2 more threads to craft a common, I'd rather run through a trial again before running normal content to get 10 shards. People are going to run the trials, we don't need the extra incentive. |
Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
10:10 is the only decent conversion rate going, and I refuse to pay 2.5 million just to turn something utterly pointless into something I can use, when it should be a 1:1 upgrade for free.
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At least make some other conversion options: 3 to 3 for 1.25 million. 5 to 5 for 1.75 million. This way, when you run a WST and get Notice you have no use for, you can at least make it into threads right away. And at the suggested prices, 10 to 10 is still the better deal for those willing to be patient.
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Simply put, allow a 1:1 conversion from a Notice of the Well to an Empyrean Merit. No strings attached, no stupid and prohibitive inf costs that make no sense.
Just let the WST reward be converted into something useful past Alpha slot.
Simple.