this month they are starting closed beta testing of new incarnate trials so we will get some more variety before i21
i would like to see some reward options added to AE because AE is literally worthless to try to make progress on anything except increasing your inf (through running and tickets) and xp for lvling
the biggest thing that hurt AE for me was the massive badge removal, if we didnt lose all those badges i would have been darn near 1280 badges by now
I like how the devs mentioned once before that they dislike farming, however these new TF are a bit like farming. I agree add Threads or Shards into AE, either it be earning them through missions or trade them in using tickets. Either case, the existing TF are boring. And the new TFs once everyone has done them a million times will get boring too.
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the new tfs were great but the only way to shards really thats just BAD BAD BAD game design.
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It's not bad design and many people are fine with it. What you mean is that YOU don't like. Oh, and perhaps also the "the 3 or 4 people that i have been playing with for years".
Not everyone is going to like every feature.
Overall, though, I think your suggestion is a bad idea. It's still way too easy to exploit AE. I was in Atlas Park on Freedom over the weekend and it's non-stop advertising for farms with some people charging 10 million per run (I don't know if he had any takers).
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AE Thread Farms. Great idea.
Yesterday I picked up a shard in a radio mission, only the one but that is usually my going rate when doing the incarnate stuff. I really must suck at Baf and Lambda, as other than the shards and a couple of threads all I ever get is a common drops. Think this is probably my luck as I've been playing 7 years and only ever got 3 purple drops in all that time, I suppose 3 is 3 better than none.
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AE has fundamental problems with using it for Incarnate unlocks. The noble concept of running regular mission arcs is shutdown by the ease of making a farm and running it repeatedly. The cynic could comment that you already have to farm iTrials but it is unlikely that the devs would see it that way. Not an impossible concept--I'm brainstorming some things right now--but it'll take a fair amount of planning to come up with an AE option that's feasible when all factors are taken into account.
Furthermore, AE is currently suffering from a massive glitch that broke most of the non-farm arcs so this would cause more problems with using AE for Incarnate content.
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AE has fundamental problems with using it for Incarnate unlocks. The noble concept of running regular mission arcs is shutdown by the ease of making a farm and running it repeatedly. The cynic could comment that you already have to farm iTrials but it is unlikely that the devs would see it that way. Not an impossible concept--I'm brainstorming some things right now--but it'll take a fair amount of planning to come up with an AE option that's feasible when all factors are taken into account.
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Soooo crazy.
AE has proven to be too easy to exploit (& not just farm) to be used for real drops.
Hrrmmm though Dev's choice should be dropping shards now, right? Might have to test that.
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As usual, GB is missing several clues:
1. New raids/trials on the way.
2. Statement made already about Incarnate story arcs, etc. being looked into. (Yeah, I know.)
3.
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And 4. Use AE for this? Don't make me *laugh.*
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That said, I posted something about being disappointed that AE wasn't snuck in as part of the Incarnate experience back when they first announced it - that would have been a perfect way to support the AE and to keep the new post-50 game thing from growing repetitive. An easy way to avoid the usual AE farming would be to make only Dev Choice/Guest Author arcs usable for Incarnates.|
Originally Posted by Necrotech_Master
i would like to see some reward options added to AE because AE is literally worthless to try to make progress on anything except increasing your inf (through running and tickets) and xp for lvling
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Well, maybe they'll look into it sometime soon.
Most of your random babbling has already been responded to, so I'll just cover this.
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Originally Posted by graystar_blaster
even on freedom on saturday afternoon this week there were 50 heros not in hide. that is all just 50 on the buisiest server
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Yes, it's been confirmed that Dev's Choice arcs drop shards. It would be nice if we got some new Dev Choice at some point but that's a discussion for another time.
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Originally Posted by tanstaafl
Hrrmmm though Dev's choice should be dropping shards now, right? Might have to test that.
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Wait we can convert threads to shards or shards to threads, how do we do this?
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
As usual, GB is missing several clues:
1. New raids/trials on the way. 2. Statement made already about Incarnate story arcs, etc. being looked into. (Yeah, I know.) 3. I hope you mean "Threads," since shards drop from regular missions, and even if you mean threads - you're wrong, as there's a conversion from shards. And 4. Use AE for this? Don't make me *laugh.* |
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There's an option to convert Shards to Threads in the "Convert" menu--I believe it is 4 Shards for 1 Thread.|
Originally Posted by 2short2care
Wait we can convert threads to shards or shards to threads, how do we do this?
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However, as far as I know, there's no way to convert Threads to Shards. Believe me, I wish there were, it would make getting that last shard you need a lot easier.
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It's 1:1 once every 20 hours, or 2:1 anytime. It also costs 20 mil each time but psht, big deal.
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There's an option to convert Shards to Threads in the "Convert" menu--I believe it is 4 Shards for 1 Thread.
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It's 1:1 once every 20 hours, or 2:1 anytime. It also costs 20 mil each time but psht, big deal.
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I wish there was a way to make shards from something from the itrials.
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Originally Posted by Finduilas
There's an option to convert Shards to Threads in the "Convert" menu--I believe it is 4 Shards for 1 Thread.
However, as far as I know, there's no way to convert Threads to Shards. Believe me, I wish there were, it would make getting that last shard you need a lot easier. |
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Thank you Devs & Community people for a great game.
So sad to be ending ):
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Originally Posted by tanstaafl
I wish there was a way to make shards from something from the itrials.
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However, since incarnate commons take 20 threads each to create and you can create alpha components with only 3 shards apiece, IMO it's not a very attractive alternative unless you do a lot of trials. There's no mixing and matching of alpha and incarnate components, you have to use all shards or all threads.
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Originally Posted by Tricia
If you press "search" again, you'll come up with 50 Heroes again, but it will be a completely different list.
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It will have some different people on it, but a lot of the same people will show up again as well.
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Originally Posted by graystar_blaster
I think we need an AE threads and shards.
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I wouldn't be surprised if that eventually happens, in much the same way that shards now drop from any level enemies, and not just level 50s.
The devs are intentionally gating many people through the same content: the weekly strike targets and the trials are the most recent examples of this. This is partly to encourage large teams and to make finding TF/SF teams easier to find.
The devs are demonstrably pro-farming: they are offering a reward (badges) for players to repeat the weekly strike target 2, 10 or 50 times. The defeat badges -- especially the ones that require hundreds or thousands of defeats -- are also obviously farming oriented. Places like Point Foxtrot in FBZ were provided for us to farm Fakes. Defeat missions were provided to give us a little extra incentive to farm spawns. And the ONLY way to get the incarnate powers in less than a few years is to farm the trials over and over.
The devs are not against repeating content again and again for rewards. They are opposed to players who exploit quirks of the game to gain rewards faster than the devs intend.
Because we play for many more hours than there is content, the devs obviously intend us to replay the same thing over and over. But they do all they can to encourage us to vary what we play because they know we'll burn out if we repeat the same thing too much.
I am.
I think we need an AE threads and shards. Why? Well that is where the content is at. I am having a hard time running the new tfs now. I have run over 100 so far and they have become BORING!!!!!!!!!!!!
AE at least has content and we could trade tickets in for threads, or low lvl components. That would help at least im not running the same thing over, and over, and over, and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.............................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ......................... get it? Im repeating what we have done already,
I am sure people will hate this thread but tis is not a rant its a recomendation or a question why not this?
its at least something else to do.
cause this is starting to SUCK badly.
CMON give me somethign else to do alread maybe incarntate ae arcs or something.\
I and the 3 or 4 people that i have been playing with for years are getting pissy over this.
the new tfs were great but the only way to shards really thats just BAD BAD BAD game design.
HURRY UP make something else!!! i21 is not even close this cant keep use going
even on freedom on saturday afternoon this week there were 50 heros not in hide. that is all just 50 on the buisiest server
YES ILL SAY IT DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!