The New Trials and Incarnates

have you asked for a lowbie team? im primarily on lb/lfa and i have some lowbie characters on all 3 sides, i'd have joined you. knock and it will be opened unto you. yeah the trials are what people talk about (though i got a great itf tonight) its the new shiny and as a default, a lot of us like advancing our iconic characters. but if you ask, im sure some of us would gladly run some lowbies, it mixes stuff up outside of mother mayhem being maimed by her belt buckle and marauder proving that he is from a dilbert-style marketing department, just ask.

I'm not going to ask someone in their 30's or 40's to let my level 16 come along. Even sidekicked up, my contribution would be laughable due to still having DO's and minimal slotting. I have no trouble SK'ing up on a character that at least already has SO's but before that it makes me feel like I'm leeching. But we'll see. I would actually love to be proven wrong.

To each his own.
I guess I'm just a stubborn old fool. I like what I like and what I don't like is raiding or the mechanics that go with it. Thanks for being polite about it. It's rare to be able to disagree civilly with someone these days, hehe.

I'll admit I haven't asked because I've gotten the very strong impression that people just aren't interested in anything but TF's. I'll give it a shot and see how it goes. Thanks guys for your suggestions.

Since you're on Liberty, you should catch up with FCM and I some night, Shaman. We are doing some incarnate trials with our favorites, but haven't completely given up on the non-incarnate portion of the game.

We usually just duo our low-to-mid level toons, but having other people around is never a bad thing. I don't mind sidekicked lowbies at all.

(And while my 50s are almost all hidden from searches, my lower level ones tend not to be. At the moment, I have "in progress" a Bane, an electric Tank and a dark Corr on the red side... and a mace Tank, a ninja MM, an illusion Controller, a mind/psi Dom, a shield Scrap and a fire Blaster on the blue. They're anywhere from lvl 18 to 41.)

Calvin Scott.
Faultline (the zone, not character.)
The Hollows.
The Rikti Crash Site/War Zone.

Edit:
Unfortunately, Faultline taught War Witch (and by extension the rest of PS) the wrong lessons, really getting her stuck on "Just redoing old content to bring it up to date is too much work, we'd rather do a new zone." Faultline required a LOT of work. They altered the maps, put in new buildings, and let us in behind the "wall" to the turbines. So when revamping old zones is mentioned (such as Dark Astoria,) we get that same old tired BS about it being "too much work" brought out. They seem to ignore that *not every zone that could use updating needs that.* Not even most.

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Yeah, and you know what? I still think the old Faultline looked so much cooler. They should have left the dam alone, thrown in some newer buildings near the gate, added a way for superspeeders to get out of the trenches, and saved themselves some work.

Thank you for the offer, I may just take you up on that. My current project is a Bane. Or at least he will be, when I finally make it to 24. I hit 20 a little while ago, so getting closer.

Banes are great fun. I've had a blast with Maneshiba. XD

MMO that are not this one modify the world according to events all the time, too. It's an assertion (MMOs must remain static) that is invalidated by reality.

If you're going to subtract something because you don't like it, you should substitute something better (in your opinion) in it's place to fix it. The question posed to you was simple: If you don't find those things "epic enough," what would you propose for a storyline instead?


Also, if you're gonna start a thread, it really doesn't help your cause to go ultra defensive at the first response to it. You're the only one that saw something negative in it.

Funny enough I actually started a thread on this sometime back/

Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow City of Heroes is a game about freedom of expression and variety of experiences far more so than it is about representing any one theme, topic or genre.

No, you *can* just say you flat out don't like it. Perfectly valid statement to make, and leave as is.

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Sure - it's just that people won't take it seriously, that's all

SOME people, not all.

And there have been NUMEROUS OTHER things suggested ALREADY other than the Goatee Universe plotline.

Loving the Incarnate powers and "leveling" my 50s, COMPLETELY and UTTERLY ignoring the silly (IMO) storyline.

Well, it's Praetoria all the way to the Omega slot - and then we get more wacky Well antics for the Coming Storm - so you've got a lot of ignoring to look forward to

And Nemesis hasn't even been spotted yet

Funny thing, I was stripping the enhancements off of my old corruptor to remake her so e-mailed the stuff off to random characters of mine. I ended up taking them on an old Stalker I made and when the time came to actually use those enhancements, I smacked myself in the head when I realized the stalker was only lvl 6.

So here I am, on villain-side, smacking snakes and skulls around until I got lvl 8 when...I got an invite to a lvl 46 team. I was a bit worried since I had *no* enhancements in anything and I only just picked up Reconstruction (MA/WP, by the way) but since I hadn't played one of my Stalkers in a long while (and I wanted to hurry up and get to lvl 10 or 12 or whatever the lvl limit is for e-mailing stuff) I joined.

It was actually pretty fun. These were orange and red enemies too and my enhance-less AS was actually putting a big dent in those red Lts. I died a few times (not bad for only having Hide, passive +HP and reconstruction) but I felt I contributed a LOT for only being lvl 8...then 10...then 16 by the time I left. Especially when you consider I had no enhancements.

I don't know how Beginner's Luck is affected by being Sk'ed up but I even felt like I had damage enhancements in my powers too. But maybe this was because we had 2 SoA with their leadership buffs but I doubt it'd make me feel like I had a fully SO slotted character at lvl 10.

You should also seek to invite players lower lvl than yourself too. Just make sure to send the level before inviting so they know what they're getting into. Currently lvling my 38 corruptor and have no issues when I invite a lvl 15-ish character to help me.

PS: This was on Protector, by the way.

Valid for whom? Who's the first person you'd listen to if there were two groups of people: One group says they don't like a feature. The other group also says they don't like it, but they come up with a list of things that would be better. If you say the first group, you're not trying very hard to listen to the community, and that's what some folks are accusing the Devs of right now.

If I said I didn't like something, and offered nothing better, how is anyone supposed to fix it? To the people that made it, it's fine. If you've got a better idea, feel free to bring it up, and they might think it's better as well and make some changes.

Being a curmudgeon, sitting on the rocker saying "This stinks. That's lame. They could do better...." all day fosters nothing but negativeness. Being negative doesn't make the game better. You can't take something away and not substitute something in it's place, or why bother with the exorcism in the first place? I doubt that there's more than a handful of players that would be happier with less than have something different, if they're clamoring for a change.

The devs data mine.
The devs know what they've made.

If I'm running a bakery and start changing from, say, making apple pies to making cement cookies and people say "I don't like that," I'm pretty sure I can tell what the negativity is about.

Listening to both groups - not "ignoring those who don't come up with your precious list of alternatives" - is listening to the community. The same people coming to post and saying "I don't like it" are likely describing what they don't like elsewhere.

My not having a nice, ordered, pretty list of alternatives does not make my view or my statement that "I don't like that" any less valid or any less worthy of being listened to.

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And are continuing to make it

But it sure would help

From June 2004:

Some of the oldest existing lore, which the devs have been expanding upon, as requested

I dunno, have we ever seen Nemesis and the Well of Furies in the room at the same time??? It's OBVIOUS!!!!!!

Not to pile on, but you might be surprised. I'm on Liberty as well, and based on my Supergroup, there's still a good number of levelers running around. Many of these folks have Incarnates, but are building alts for variety. Heck, a bunch of my SG SSK *down* to run some missions with new lowbies now and then (since we want the new folks to learn to use their powers rather than just get PLd)

Yep, as I said I don't read the silly plot anymore. Works out well for me.