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Lambda...
Very Rare
Very Rare
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Very Rare
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... Thier is a way to abuse the preformance system (The System as a whole is total broken ). I will say no more, except this was done on my Tanker.
Main: Praetor Imperium Elec/SS/Mu
Wow, I don't know how you're doing THAT well Breog, but I'm still not far behind. I have a Dark Armor/Fire Melee tank, though, so I throw AoE like no one's business.
I've gotten one very rare, a bunch of rares, some uncommons and around zero commons. S'weird, I tell you.
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With CMA (Inv/Stone) I've gotten 5 V-Rares and probably a dozen Rares out of 30 some trials. I did this by concentrating on tanking and liberal use of my AOE's; holding AV aggro on the BAF until I get the 2nd warning then moving away to the ads and holding them until the rings go away; then back to the AV's.
CMA's done considerably better in the drop department than my Fire/EM blaster has... I'm STILL waiting for a V-Rare on the blaster although I have at least 2 of every one of the Rares along with tier 3 on all 4 slots.
I haven't figured out what the admittedly broken participation metric is but obviously CMA "participates" more than Delta (my blaster) as far as the trial's concerned.
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I do not have a lot of trials run with any of my tankers, but I do have some and I do have a fair amount with my Kat/Inv scrapper built for tanking instead of damage output.
So far they have done pretty good. The tanker with just 6 trials has 2 commons, 3 uncommons and 1 rare. The scrapper has gotten enough rares to be tier 3 in all 4 slots and I think I got 1 VR drop as well (although I am not truly concerned about tier 4 on that character so it will likely be awhile before I actively pursue it).
I spend a lot of time taunting on both characters as well as moving around and trying to hold aggro away from others. I share aggro and do my best to let others take it off me when I get sequestered. I chase Lts and ignore most minions during the escapee phases. I try to help with the adds in a BAF and instead of attacking the objectives in a Lambda I attack the spawns, hopefully allowing the other members of my team breathing room. I'll also pull off Marauder from time to time in order to help clean up the mess that starts to follow us around.
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I get different responses from everyone on the boards on this. But I know I am no longer wasting any more time in the trials. Two weeks distraction from badge hunting is enough. I am going to randomly do one BAF and one Lambda per day (not necessarily every day) until I have enough Empyreans to complete my tier 4s. I am very unhappy with the rewards system, at least in my one experience on this one character. For me, the whole trials went quickly to the bad place. I am now shifting back to my masjor goal for this character, 1,000+ badges (all I can) in the next few months.
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They say [fwiw] that we compete against each other for rewards. So, if you would run with noobs more often, you may get better rewards.|
Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
Wow, I don't know how you're doing THAT well Breog, but I'm still not far behind. I have a Dark Armor/Fire Melee tank, though, so I throw AoE like no one's business.
I've gotten one very rare, a bunch of rares, some uncommons and around zero commons. S'weird, I tell you. |
Until we here from the devs [or Arcanaville], most of what we have to go on is a haphazard collection of conclusions drawn from randomly collected anecdotes.
I'd take it all w/ a grain of salt.
I have noticed that the rares and Vrs I have gotten came from times that I have skipped my bigger ST attacks and instead spammed my low damage and no damage AoEs and quick, small attacks.
But the plural of anecdote is anecdotes, not data.
If there actually is a competitive aspect to the system as has been theorized, it would go far, in combination with the random factor the devs have told us about, to explain various discrepancies in rewards v "performance."
The participation system is majorly borked and needs to be fixed asap.
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Villains : AtomBomb (50 Rad/Kin corruptor), Aleks (50 SS/Inv brute), StoneLethal (50 EM/Stone brute), Davroz (50 Bots/Dark mastermind)
I've focused on adds before on my icer and gotten rares/very rares. whatever the participation system is, I don't see why it just can't be a random table for everyone per run. I've yet to see any door sitters on trials and if I did while holding the big star I'd just kick them and be done with it.
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I like the idea of participation rewards since we all know there is a percentage of players who are just along for the ride. However, depending on the character type some are unwittingly better suited for participation. I have considered myself 110% involved at every trial and have yet to see a rare. I have seen a healthy dose of uncommon rewards though on 15ish BAFs.
Juzam
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I'm definitley in favour of participation biased rewards, with a big caveat:
The rules have to be able to be made clear.
If there's no way to bias the rewards with rules we can see, don't do it, and mark it down as an unfortuntate loss.
I have to think there are some metrics that would be very VERY hard to game, but maybe not.
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Just as a datapoint
fire/fire/fire tanker - unslotted, mostly BAFs
4 Uncommon
1 Rare
1 Common
My fire/mace/pyre tank's been racking up rares or higher on most of the trials I've done since release (roughly 25 on that tank), in fact I easily had more rare i-salvage then I had unlocked slots to craft powers.
If your tank is less aoe centric, well, that could be what is skewing OPs experience.
Fire/Fire tank....with 5 pbaoes and 3 st attacks....heavy participation on av's and mobs...doesnt matter....so being aoe centrict doesn't matter or so it seems.
Out of close to 100 Lambda's and Baf's
6 Rares
Uncounted uncommons
20 commons
1 10 thred (this was actually as a League lead...did a lot of typing so maybe thats why - the reward table said I sucked)
Pruchase one rare and 8 emerits for another.
So i sit with 4 tier 3 slotted incarnates and 4 tier 3's needed to make the 4th tier.
Very disappointed with reward system.
But Posi just announce that an "anouncement" about changes would be coming out very soon but not today....
LvL 50 Dark Dark, Emp/Rad Defenders
LvL 50 Inv/Axe, Fire/Fire, Stone/Stone, Mace/Shield Tanks, EM/Inv
LvL 50 Spines/DA Scrapper
LvL 50 Ice/Storm, Ice/Rad, Earth/Rad, 2 Fire/Kin, Ill/Rad, Grav/FF, Controller Elec/Storm
LvL 50 Bots/FF, Merc/Traps, MM Thugs/Traps, Demon/Thermal
I'm not sure what the secret is to getting very rares, but doing my Fire/SS/Pyre and Elec/SS/Mu tanks I've had a spread that suggests that Uncommons are Common, Rares are Rare and Very Rares are Very Rare.
I haven't kept exact track of the numbers, I only know I've gotten 4 Very Rares and Easily more than a dozen rares mixed in with the uncommons.
Finally scored a rare last night!
The moon must have been aligned with my fist.
Juzam
Tanker aficionado
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Hang in there Blue!
I've only done the BAF, and only 11 times. I think I've gotten two rares, five commons and four uncommons. It was enough to get me T3 in lore and Judgement which was really all my casual self was looking for.
I didn't try to tag anything or game the system. I'm Ice/Axe, so I do have Icicles hitting things even if its just for a little damage. The only thing I did was to unslot my Judgement boost when I needed a Rare for Lore, and boom I got the Rare on the very next run. Weird and totally statistically irrelevent, but there it is.
God I am glad I haven't played at all since i20 dropped, I just knew the rewards would be borked. I hate grind fests, and am hateing CoH more and more every day. Actually dread logging in anymore cause of all the work necessary to "advance."
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While I do understand the plight of these trials. I have only ran it with tanks (Inv/Ice, Fire/Fire, Elec/SS, WP/SS) and have had very little issue getting rares. Very rare is its own issue. I have ran the trials with 4 tanks, each one has multiple tier 3 made and slotted. My main Ice Knight who is Inv/Ice Melee has a 4 Tier 3's. His build is darn near purely defensive. He got all of his Rare's thru drops. Just keep hammering at it.
I am not saying the drop isnt borked, just saying its possible, even without offensively built tankers.
I feel for you, on my ice/ice main 0 rare tables and I pulled the 10 thread reward 6 times, look unknown number oftrials to get to tier 3, I pulled these 4 rares as random drops so I slotted based on salvage finally not on choice. Jumped on my fire/sr scraper and I an working up to tier 4 with no whare near the grind time, I don't know how to game the reward system, but I may have to figure it out to finish my main. 
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I feel for you, on my ice/ice main 0 rare tables and I pulled the 10 thread reward 6 times, look unknown number oftrials to get to tier 3, I pulled these 4 rares as random drops so I slotted based on salvage finally not on choice. Jumped on my fire/sr scraper and I an working up to tier 4. I don't know how to game the reward system, but I may have to figure it out to finish my main.
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I have ran both trials on my Fire/Fire tank and yet to see a VR I have gotten lot of Rares on it. Even on my troller that has lots of AoEs i have yet to get a VR on that one either.
I was soo close to finishing my tank a week ago. I got so irritated I stopped playing him. Maybe I wll go back and game on him again, but I am on to Blasters. If nothing else, I can compare Apples to Oranges.
I ran ;BAFs and Lambdas for 15 hours Sunday, and received only uncommon, common, and once just a ten thread option. I am built for tanking, not scranking. I concentrate more on tactics, and team strategy while in a team environment than worrying about how to set up my next big attack. Throwing an AoE or a taunt is always more about how it will affect the flow around my squishies than how much can I add to damage. Is this killing me for the "participation" part of the rewards? Any other (admittedly anecdotal) evidence out there? I mean, we tried a Master of Lambda last night. We failed (not enough debuffs), but completed the mission for rewards. there were three other tanks in the league, I was chosen to tank Marauder because of my build. I did, no prob, almost ten minutes. Uncommon table. Gets old after a while. This is my only character I am running for 2011, and I have been running only BAF and Lambda since they loaded. I saw a widow yeasterday get 3 very rares in a row. (if to be believed, she sure left the league happy) I paid 400 mil and 4 rare pieces last night to get one very rare for a tier 4. Talk to me brothers and sisters of tankdom. What am I doing wrong?