Black Market Overhaul

Um, Really? That's chump change. citing that as a reason you can't purple out a Warshade is like complaining that the fact that Beta Print Islands going for a buck is the reason more Vintage MTG players don't own a Black Lotus.

Can I have a small to medium sized castle please? They charge buttloads for them these days to build new.... and I'd like to be alive to see it finished too lol.

Seriously, inherit land in Oklhahoma where they can fit 47 oil rigs and 137 natural gas rigs, and yeah, like I said. Lucky.

Btw, keep buying gas ppl, it's paying for my utilities.



I just find it funny how no one can take a rant about something here without getting their knickers in a knot and a nose out of joint.

And yes, 100k for a luck charm is obscene. It's like finding a pack of bubbleyum for 500 bucks, cuz well, everyone likes it DUH, so obviously you're gonna pay more DUH. Pffft, and a backhand to you as well sir.

So far everyone has missed the point(s) to be made here.

1. Greed on the BM trumps anything anyone has said in this thread, including me. The proof lies in the prices you're paying.

2. Any justification for said greed and trying to pass it off to the buyer is incomplete, and inaccurate.

3. It's MY rant and I can run it however I want. If you don't like it, start your own rant thread and have ats, I promise to leave you alone.

4. If you pay any real world money for anything other than the sub fee, and the booster packs you want for this game, you're a fool, a damned fool.

5. Fix the broken black market. Cuz it's my rant, and I can say whatever I want. I TRIED to warn you (thumps Flak Jacket of Denial) I told you it was impervious. Only thing I know of to completely turn flamers into their own immolated piles of ash.

Anyway, I started this thread cuz i was irked at the market cuz i was finally taking the time to do the crafting badges for the table and extra salvage storage, only to have a 6hr downtime thrown on top. So yeah, I had to do something with my time

So have fun, thanks for stopping in, some good ideas were tossed around, always appreciate the witty insights and commentary. Have fun and enjoy I:20! Lamda is a blast! Still have yet to do the BAF though, mebbe tomorrow.

You are right and no one else can be.
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Do NOT, do NOT Google "BM jacker!"
I would rather not know about any "BM jackers" in the game. I'd...well..I'd rather that be kept private and not shared with the CoX community. Obviously, ymmv.

I really like the fact that I can sell my recipe drops for lots of inf. Your goal, (I am not sure if these things you've suggested would actually achieve your goal), is tantamount to both a slap in the face and a robbery to me and others who make our money by selling our hard-won drops on the market. Why should I and other players be punished just because you don't defeat enough mobs to get good drops?

Next, the Devs don't seem inclined to think the market is broken in the way that you do, so it's not clear they would be involved in any public shaming of the people who pay the costs for the Devs to have jobs.

Except on some of the more rarely traded items and level ranges which will go from very hard to find to impossible because they will be impossible to sell.

This seems a reasonable request.

You defeat lots of mobs and you get recipes and you sell and you make the infs and you no feel bad an porr no mor. No more "violent." No mor "frenzy". Infs make all better now.
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Mo Mobz.

So you'd be happy with an inf cap increase?

How do I keep more of w/e item from coming to market for less than what I want people to pay me again?
That's the part that always snags me every time I try this particular money making plan that get suggested over and over by non-marketeering types who don't have the time or inclination to try the plan out themselves.

Y'see, I've TRIED this and it didn't work. And actually, Berzerker_NA tried this last week and it didn't work for them either. But on the other hand, I've been told to shut up because Cully owns the forums and I'm on his lawn. Bullying is tacky and, on the internet, notoriously ineffective.

By the way, you still haven't offered any demonstration that 100K for a Luck Charm is "obscene." If I can make 5 million inf an hour- not personal wealth, I mean add 5 million inf into the economy- then why is spending 72 seconds of my earnings on a single piece of salvage "obscene"?

If you have customers who live in the 100K-per-minute world, then YOU live in the 100K-per-minute world. And since there are no barriers to entry (got a Hellion? You've got a Luck Charm) EVERYONE lives in the 100K-per-minute world.

OK, maybe using farmers' cash earnings isn't the best financial example. How about "people who are selling 5K recipes for 100 inf?" (any level 50 set recipe.) You'd need to buy 21 of those and sell em to a vendor to make 100,000 inf. It might take you four trips to the vendor! So a Luck Charm would cost you FOUR minutes of time! Nobody could be expected to pay that kind of money for something that they need three, four of in their build. Could they?

TL; DR version: *sticking fingers in ears* Lalala can't hear you

My first thought in reading this was "that's pretty good". My second thought after reading this was "there is no spoon". Then I saw your avatar, and my head exploded.

Welcome to the Market Forums, Patrick! Your progress on the dark path pleases us.

Actually, yes!

*nods sagely*

Indeed, Oh wise swami.

I actually liked this one lol

*facepalm*

Humor, and rants, are lost on you it seems.


Avoid the Comedy Channel and Roasts at all costs.


Oh, and don't have children, cuz you obviously don't understand. See spoon guy, he helps.

FINALLY!


Someone got it!!!


And that red avenger dude, they got it too lol.


And the ron white can't fix stupid link was ossim lmao

I'm going to disagree with a minor point here, but I'm doing so in way meant to support your (edit: larger) point. Any farmer who's making 5M an hour needs to turn in their Farmer's union card. I can hit those kinds of numbers running a DM/Regen Scrapper through +2/x6 paper missions, and that includes time spent picking a new mission, going from mission to mission, etc.

To your larger point, that's one of the reasons that things like Alchemical Silver cost "a lot". People making 5+M/hour drive the rest of the economy, because they (and the people who obtain money from them on the market) take that money and outbid lower earners, because that's how you get what you want faster.

As a response to the topic, and not Fulmens directly, I'm not sure what "greed" even means in a context like this. We all want stuff. When it comes to the market, we are competing with other players to get the stuff we want. If we want stuff faster, we have to pay more for it. That is, in the most literal sense, how the system works. If you're getting some of the money you intend to use to by stuff by selling other stuff, it behooves you to get as much profit as you can when you sell stuff. That means finding the highest price you can sell stuff for (with the trade-off that setting the price too high means the item may not sell for a long time, which defeats the goal of getting money to buy stuff faster). Is that "greed"? If it is, then wanting stuff sooner is also "greedy" by extension.

On a pure inf basis, I generate about 2 million infamy per minute of farming, and I'm a bad farmer with a suboptimized toon.

If you count recipes or rare salvage generated from ticket capping every 30 minutes, its much higher. Figure 20 deific weapons at 2.5 mill per ...

Yeah, a bad farmer's generating about 200 mill an hour. A bad farmer.

Yes. I wrote a log parser that measured my earnings rate in "round" fraction of an hour intervals, and it included parsed drops of common recipes, inserting their NPC vendor value at the moment of the drop. The metric included zero market profits.

If it matters, I believe the last time we had "earnings per hour" thread in here was before I16 roughly doubled our earnings@50. Even something like an empath built with an an intent to be able to solo as well as possible should be able to hit around 2M/hour these days.

Impressive. I think the last thread we had on this had the top inf earners hitting something like 30M/hour. If that was indeed before I16, they should be hitting around 60M/hour, all other things being equal. Of course, all things aren't actually equal, with Incarnate level shifts being an obvious recent one. Still, on its own that would only take that 60M number up to around 80M/hour, so if a bad farmer is making 120M/hour, the vogue in good farming has improved significantly.

I should caveat that number - 2M influence per minute of active farming in AE. Load times, getting the mission, cashing in tickets, etc ... would depress that number.

The 120M though is a good number, once you factor in ticket sales. But not good compared to a good farmer. I think ultrawatt was in the 200M range.

I highly recommend the "Very Best Farmer" thread in the Brute section for a readup on methods, farms, etc ...

Not sure if someone posted this already, but this issue is solved: next time you're in AE and want to craft, just load up arc #487283 "The Crafter's Cafe." It's a non-combat mission with working invention tables so you don't have to run all over creation to craft.

Good luck on your other 2 points and may be the froth be with you