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Quote:yeah, i'm gonna have to agree on this one. i had mega problems with issue 4 being unplayable so i stopped playing for a year and a half while checking out other games. looks like i need to go dust off some other titles and see what's going on there until i can actually play this game again.Originally Posted by phenom44
Now, for a minute after the patch update on Monday, I was playing longer, but eventually crashed. I've done all I can on my end of switching, cleaning drivers, updating and rolling back drivers, ensuring directx functionality etc, etc,etc.
Now, I'm still crashing and essentially avoiding gameplay as a result for roughly two weeks now. Curious to know if there will be a prorated/adjusted bill for your customers as a result of services not being rendered in exchange for monthly payments as agreed upon per digital signatures?
I know you guys are working on this, but this is now treading into other areas as indicated above.
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So are we still no closer to a resoltion on this or what? because it's getting fairly game breaking at this point
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Sorry, too tired to evidently figure out the search function, and i've spent half of my remaining hour before bed trying to find what i think should be a relatively easy thing to find.
Is there a comprehensive guide to the graphics settings? That i can point my friend to so she stops yelling at me about how her settings are all messed up and how to fix it?
Cuz i'm losin my mind here -
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If a character participates in an Incarnate Trial, kills within the missions will award Incarnate Experience, which is put toward unlocking incarnate powers.
Does this mean a toon, let's say..... a dedicated healer. Someone that really maximized their group buffing/healing/etc but they literally (including brawl) have only 3 attacks, and they don't use them, cuz well, they're a dedicated healer, not a fighter.
Say said toon has done 12 Lamdas and 5 BAF's and they have yet to get one single %point towards any of their new unlocks. Not a single percent. They have a tier4 alpha slotted, so they should be getting something shouldn't they?
Based on the observation so far, I'm lead to believe that you are not awarded Incarnate XP except if you actually attack a critter in the trial. Is this correct? Or is that toon just bugged?
So wouldn't a more accurate statement be: If a character participates in an Incarnate Trial, attacking/killing within the missions, but not being a dedicated support toon, will award Incarnate Experience, which is put toward unlocking incarnate powers?
I ask because a friend and fellow vet of almost 7 years is 2 seconds away from walking away from the game forever because she doesn't like playing attack toons. She likes playing support toons and healers. So, is she really just 100% totally and completely screwed on earning Incarnate XP (unless she spends all her threads on buying the xp instead of using them to make what she needs, thereby guaranteeing she now has to earn 3-4 time the threads any other toon needs to get the same rewards, all because she plays a non attacking toon?)
This was the first thread I could find that even talked directly about the XP part of the new incarnate system, and holy wow Dispari, you have to have the best info out there, evar. *tips hat*
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Quote:Originally Posted by BackFire
Not sure if someone posted this already, but this issue is solved: next time you're in AE and want to craft, just load up arc #487283 "The Crafter's Cafe." It's a non-combat mission with working invention tables so you don't have to run all over creation to craft.
Good luck on your other 2 points and may be the froth be with you
Mmmm... frothing preparations commencing. Gonna finish gettin that craftin badge for the craftin table tonight if it kills me. Or anything around me..... -
Quote:FINALLY!Originally Posted by Quasadu
TL; DR version: *sticking fingers in ears* Lalala can't hear you
Someone got it!!!
And that red avenger dude, they got it too lol.
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Quote:*facepalm*Originally Posted by hemmingway3
I read most of page one. Conclusion: OP is a child and does not know how to logic or reason. Well then, off to playing the game or somesuch.
Humor, and rants, are lost on you it seems.
Avoid the Comedy Channel and Roasts at all costs.
Oh, and don't have children, cuz you obviously don't understand. See spoon guy, he helps. -
Quote:*nods sagely*Originally Posted by ChaosAngelGeno
I understand, I've been there. I've misunderstood this game. I learned to understand, and found the joy of understanding. Now I understand that you don't understand. You're misunderstanding is understood, and understanding is often hard. You need to understand that your misunderstanding, will be misunderstood by those that do not understand the misunderstood. The understanding will never understand our misunderstanding unless you become understanding. Then you will cease to be the misunderstood and become a part of the understood. Understand the ways of the understanding and you will find happiness. Understand?
Indeed, Oh wise swami.
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Quote:Originally Posted by all_hell
So you'd be happy with an inf cap increase?
Actually, yes!
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Quote:Can I have a small to medium sized castle please? They charge buttloads for them these days to build new.... and I'd like to be alive to see it finished too lol.Originally Posted by Adeon Hawkwood
Read my post again. I'm talking about market mechanics as in how the market actually implements transactions.
Your post was based on the idea that the market matches highest buy price to highest sell price when it actually matches highest buy price to lowest sell price. Hence you do not understand the market mechanics.
Understanding the actual economic implications of this is not particularly relevant to my point (although I have my own opinions on your knowledge there). As a side note, I'm the King of England (ok, fine I'm Prince Consort).
Seriously, inherit land in Oklhahoma where they can fit 47 oil rigs and 137 natural gas rigs, and yeah, like I said. Lucky.
Btw, keep buying gas ppl, it's paying for my utilities.
I just find it funny how no one can take a rant about something here without getting their knickers in a knot and a nose out of joint.
And yes, 100k for a luck charm is obscene. It's like finding a pack of bubbleyum for 500 bucks, cuz well, everyone likes it DUH, so obviously you're gonna pay more DUH. Pffft, and a backhand to you as well sir.
So far everyone has missed the point(s) to be made here.
1. Greed on the BM trumps anything anyone has said in this thread, including me. The proof lies in the prices you're paying.
2. Any justification for said greed and trying to pass it off to the buyer is incomplete, and inaccurate.
3. It's MY rant and I can run it however I want. If you don't like it, start your own rant thread and have ats, I promise to leave you alone.
4. If you pay any real world money for anything other than the sub fee, and the booster packs you want for this game, you're a fool, a damned fool.
5. Fix the broken black market. Cuz it's my rant, and I can say whatever I want. I TRIED to warn you (thumps Flak Jacket of Denial) I told you it was impervious. Only thing I know of to completely turn flamers into their own immolated piles of ash.
Anyway, I started this thread cuz i was irked at the market cuz i was finally taking the time to do the crafting badges for the table and extra salvage storage, only to have a 6hr downtime thrown on top. So yeah, I had to do something with my time
So have fun, thanks for stopping in, some good ideas were tossed around, always appreciate the witty insights and commentary. Have fun and enjoy I:20! Lamda is a blast! Still have yet to do the BAF though, mebbe tomorrow. -
Quote:Perhaps their freakishly common appearance in almost all useful recipes? Oh, and the fact that they've been that price since they were fixed that way YEARS ago by what again? Oh yes, BM Borkers. The BM Borkers have won that market because they adamantly refuse to budge on the asking price. I've creeper bid, I've let a toon sit on bids of 1k increments up to the 50k mark, JUST to see if I could get one that cheap. I can't. Why? Because the sellers at 150k already have a lot of bids out there to buy up anyone trying to undercut them. It's gotten so one sided on some items, that there really IS no other option than to try your luck on a roll, do some low level content, or find SOME OTHER means to acquire one. But the BM? Pffft, not happenin, not for less than 150k per.Originally Posted by Quasadu
It's justified because that's what people are willing to pay. I don't know why that's so hard to grasp.
Let me ask you this. If you think Luck Charms (and possibly Alchemical Silvers?) are being manipulated and that is the cause of the "unreasonable" price, then why isn't that happening to ALL common salvage? What makes Luck Charms and AlSil more susceptible to manipulation like this than anything else?
In fact, actually, why doesn't everyone just take a break and read up on DeBeers and why diamonds are so expensive. Quick summary? They only release so many to the market a year, just to keep the prices high. They are literally sitting on hundreds of tons of diamonds, just sittin on them, why? To make sure they control BOTH supply and demand. And that's a helluva gig lemme tellya. -
Quote:Originally Posted by Adeon Hawkwood
Your knowledge: market mechanics: lacking
Consequence: your argument: invalid
When the market executes the highest bids are matched to the lowest sales. If you listed the recipe for 500million and then bought a bunch on another character you wouldn't get the sale, the person who has it listed for 1 inf would.
Now you can theoretically do it by listing yours for 1 inf and setting a buy order on the same character for 1 inf to clear out any others but at the end of the day so what? As Hyperstrike said the market rewards patience and insight. If someone artificially boosts the apparent price and you don't care to bid creep well, that's the laziness tax.
Now as it happens I am in favor of providing some protection against this sort of thing. Not because I consider seeding the last 5 to be a problem but because I feel that decreasing the "stickiness" of market prices would be a good thing. My suggestion is to provide more information than the last five, specifically High/Low/Average prices for the last 24 hours and 7 days.
Market mechanics: I'm retired at 32, from playing markets (actually getting lucky in my early college years but hey, sometimes you ARE the first person to get a Panacea to drop) Anyway, sound investment strategy and actual marketeering bore out the next ten years and I'm burnt out on it. Probably why I gripe at the BM so much. Cuz I know how it SHOULD work, and it DOESN'T bear any resemblance to what happens at the BM today. Primarily because there's no Time=Money factor. That changes things. Quick.
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In Response to Lucky666 cuz it won't let me quote you atm:
I have personally, done this exact thing on items with low volume, like spell inks a few years ago when you couldn't get one for less than 250k, just cuz, well i was pissy with ya'll. I then did this with a few purples. I've proven they can do it. I've had conversations with people that claim this is their secret to playing the market. I'm sorry YOU chose a bad target to do this with, but I've seen it work, and I've seen some items never recover from said pricing. So......
I'll let those that want to take that chance take it, i was putting it up as a quick example without having to dig through your oh so handy "guides" to bm 'freedom/exploitation' to find yet more examples of how to bork the market.
In short, you're an idiot if you try to do this on something with 250 items for sale, and you don't have the bankroll to buy all 250 in one go. -
Quote:Essentially, I'm asking for someone to please try and really honestly justify a 100k for common salvage price, a 3b price for a ridiculous recipe, or just the general asshattery involved with the BM. Seeing as how I have yet to see a rationalized complete argument, we'll just continue shooting from the hip and hope one learns to read more accurately in the future.Originally Posted by Hyperstrike
So post the names of people who you think charge too much on the market so you can bully and harrangue them.
No. NO. HELL NO!
No, the point being the entire population of the server can see who's trying to be a BM Jerk and refuse to participate. Eventually said individual will realize they can't sell a damn thing on the market until they put a respectable price up. So, yes, yes, and hell yes.
No. Doing so will destroy the market utterly. There will be no point to listing items (especially valuable ones) if you're going to straight out LOSE your listing fees for no return whatsoever.
Again, reading the entire point, would illustrate the principle, but oh well, shootin from the hip's been workin so far so here goes: AGAIN, it would force said marketeer to put a reasonable bid up within the time frame. The buy it NAO crowd will still keep them in business, but it will open up the markets to more patient buyers (where they have an actual realistic expectation for their patience to pay off this year...)
Way to drive all business to the black market.
So again, No. NO. HELL NO!
Again, yes yes, and HELL YES
3. *SNIP* *UNSNIP*
People have been asking for off-site market interfaces for a while now. Unfortunately the the devs let marketing screw it up it was made a 7 year vet perk.
Unfortunately this poster didn't read the entirety of the topic point he was responding too, so he just looks foolish at this point. If he'd read the damn thing, he'd know we're talking about the ability to just have my personal recipe page open, along with the ticket vendor page open, or the bm open, so I could see the recipes on hand with their salvage requirements, without having to open and close the same damn windows 32 times just to make one set of enhancements. I mean, if YOU want to spend all day clicking the same thing over and over again, just to open a menu, that AUTOCLOSES as soon as you open a similar, but not identical menu... well... i guess there's a reason we're playing this game where we click the same thing over and over again for the same results, but you're like at... therapy needed levels. That's just obsessive. You don't have pets do you?
The market is a place that rewards patience and insight. On the flip side, it's a place that heavily penalizes impatience and stupidity.
The market is a place that rewards greed and corruption. On the flip side, you can try to fix the problem but since the greedy bastids are the ones with all the money, they'll just call you a poor fool for not being a greedy turd burglar like them.
Essentially you're asking for someone to give you a discount on your stupidity tax when the tools are available for you to do it yourself.
GENERIC DISCLAIMER: I lose track of thought and the argument itself really doesn't justify the expense of effort to really get into it. So, if i miss what you feel is a salient point to the argument, kindly repost that part with as inventive language as possible, and we'll go over it again
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Quote:So.. I put up 5 (Insert craptastic recipe here) for 500mil a piece, then log into an alt with an email infusion of cash handy, and artificially inflate the price of said item to 500m per, while paying myself to do so, only missing out on the transaction costs, BUT, i have now just set the price for this recipe at 500m to everyone else that gets to see it. Now, taking those 5 recipes I turn around and put them back up on the market (after having just bought them from myself) and sell them again, this time to a poor sap that actually thinks that's just the price he's gonna be forced to pay cuz well... obviously 5 other people had to as well....Originally Posted by Arbegla
I repeat. Its Imposssible to flip the entire stock of items on the market and make a profit.
Its as simple as that. the reason non purple items go for upwards of 40 million is because those items are extremely useful (Aegis providing 4.7% AOE def, obliterations adding damage, and acc, and recharge, AND def, etc etc) thus they are more valuable. I can list an obliteration recipes for 1 inf, and it'll sell for over 20 mil. How is that MY fault as the marketeer?
We (the marketeers) DO NOT SET PRICES. The BUYERS set the prices. If people are too stupid to realize the last 5 prices listed are not a correct statement for what things are going for, then how is it our fault?
Now do this for a week.
Yes, you are now the problem on the black market.
Your argument: Invalid
My Position: Unassailable
Reason: It's my rant.
I hear what you're sayin man, but seriously, the poor "oh i only list for 1inf, it's not MY fault it sold for 190m" argument falls so flat with me it's probably as ridiculous and "over the top" as you feel about our frustrations with the market. So... we're all happy with being unhappy. -
Quote:You know, I think I actually remember this happening. IIRC the main beef was the fact that the markets were still separate back then and villains didn't have the same population as established heroes. Scrapping this idea within its first few generations was a bad call imo, just needed to wait for the market to establish, I would've supported a decision to increase the posting time to the 2-4 week range during the launch of the BM just to get it up and running.Originally Posted by Quasadu
That's fine, I can respect the difference of opinion, but I think the Devs agree that it's working as intended.
I would also point out, because I'm not sure that this is common knowledge, that in Issue 9 beta the markets DID have a time limit on listed items. It was removed, if memory serves, because it became apparent that some items just wouldn't move as quickly as others and because it made it too much of a chore to stay on top of the market. It wasn't friendly to casual use. (someone else may correct me if there were other reasons - it was a long time ago) -
I was just reminded that I'm currently violating my promise not to rant on the forums after a 12 hour stint of playing that was rudely interrupted by this phantom menace known as "downtime". And especially after being on the BM for the last hour before said downtime.
So... to those that reminded me of this, I apologize, I'm in error.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Arbegla
Do you honestly believe 'flippers' are ruining the market, when the BUYERS make the prices? I can buy things at 10 inf, and list them at 1000 inf, and probably sell them pretty easily, but there is not a whole lot of money to be made in that. Heck, i poured about 3 billion inf into controlling regenerating fleshes one day, and i couldn't keep my high prices for longer then an hour. And i made 0 profit doing it.
The money isn't made in flippers. its made in converting recipes to enhancements, and taking advantage of the rich and lazy. Recipe goes for 100k, crafting fees are about 500k, and salvage runs you another 200k. so 800k, and you can easily craft and list that recipes for over 8 million. Now that's some profit. multiply that by 10, or 20 or 30 and now your rolling in it.
The market is just fine, just because YOU can't use it like a store, doesn't mean its not working correctly.
That's one point man, the fact is the recipes are going for more than the enhancements sometimes. Actually had quite a laugh over some numinas i picked up for 8 mil cuz of that. Truly laugh worthy. So that kinda shoots that argument down. Don't get me wrong, I AGREE that it should work that way, but it doesn't. So.. borked, needz fixinz. -
Quote:And another thing... Dude's got a point. Increase wealth cap, to like 10bil. That's reasonabe, I think.... Good idea!Originally Posted by Shortspark
This game is so freakin' difficult sometimes. How am I supposed to roll around in all my ill-gotten wealth and filthy lucre if I can only have 2 billion on me at one time?
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Quote:Dude, you're my new favorite Forumite (tm that someone) lol.Originally Posted by Yomo_Kimyata
Friend, if we can't find a place to rant then we end up kicking our wife/husband/dog which the courts frown upon.
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Quote:Gonna just have to agree to disagree on the last part. I think its broken, who's to say I'm wrong? You think it isn't broken, who's to say you're wrong? Well.. besides me of course, it's my rant, I'll run it how I want till the mod's shut me down.Originally Posted by Quasadu
Of course you're allowed to come here and rant. And the rest of us are free to tell you how stupid your rant sounds. If you think I sound like an elitist snob, well, you missed the part where I said that you could do it too. Everybody can. It's got nothing to do with elitism, it's ridiculously easy to make money in this game. It's not very elite to do something anybody who bothers to try can do with ease.
You can complain about the prices people are willing to pay but calling people idiots just because they aren't as attached to their pretend money as you are is out of line. Slinging insults at people who fall outside your own opinions of what a "reasonable price" is, which you did in your first post and continue to do in later posts, is going to draw hostile responses.
For the record, I don't like to drop large amounts (1-2 billion) on a single item either. I'll do it if I want it now though, like I said, and not complain because it's all pretend money and it's trivially easy to get it back. Those are highly desirable, highly rare items in a market where cash flows like water. Those kinds of prices are just naturally going to happen. It doesn't mean that anything is broken.
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Quote:Dude, I've made and spent over 5 bil in the past 2 weeks. Not through any particular effort, mainly due to the fact that I have all 36 character slots on guardian filled, and the first page is nothing but lvl 50 farmers.Originally Posted by Quasadu
Who died and made you the arbiter of "reasonable prices?"
I don't mind paying 700 million for a purple if it's one I want right now. It's not because I'm an idiot, it's because I'm lazy and filthy ******* rich. 100k for a Luck Charm? That's pennies.
You could be rich and forget the difference between 1 inf and 100k inf like me, if you took a few minutes to learn the dozens of ways to make ridiculous amounts of inf for almost no effort. Or you could come on the forums to moan about how unjust the world is and how the devs should fix it because you think the prices are unreasonable.
Since you (as so many others who like to whine on the forums) do not seem to understand this: The Market is not a store. It's also working as intended.
Oh and also, your ideas: (1) is never going to happen because the devs specifically made it anonymous to avoid that kind of thing. (2) is never going to happen because it would just discourage people from using the markets in the first place. (3) is probably not going to happen any time soon, because it's not a big deal and they both use the same interface.
I know how to make money, I know how to make lots of money. I just don't like ONE purchase wiping out almost HALF the MAX amount of money ONE toon can carry. THat's just... stupid.
And it's called a public forum (well.. paying game member's forum, but whatever) where players come together to express THEIR opinions, thoughts, likes, dislikes.... where all can come together to cuss and discuss to their heart's content. You don't like my rant, get out of my thread However, I will not challenge your right to come here and express your opinion, even if I think it makes you sound like an uber elitist snob :P but hey, that's my opinion, based on your dialogue so far.
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Quote:that IS for the recipe!!! I usually do recipes first, that's why i started out in other dood's post. Or maybe it was another one i was reading where.. yeah.. it was the "Are People Catching On?" thread, where you find that a lot of the recipes AND crafted enhancements are starting to sell for the same price now. Which is just wrong imo.Originally Posted by Lohenien
Also about aegis: if the crafted price is 40 million then the recipe cost is probably cheaper : stop being lazy and craft it yourself.
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Quote:BoP? I used to actually be part of them back in the early days lol. Only for a week or two though, went off and formed my own VG that lasted a few years.Originally Posted by Lohenien
Yes I own the top SG spot on guardian.
Have to admit though, haven't checked that list since issue 9 or so. -
Quote:Originally Posted by Yomo_Kimyata
classic rant. golf clap.
Well thank God somebody recognized it for what it is!
*casual two fingered wave*