Black Market Overhaul


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Just linking this reply I had to another thread, before I realized this entire section of the forums existed. Basically, I want the BM changed. It's gettin to the frenzy want to get violent stage. Seriously. It's getting that bad.
We need to start a serious BM overhaul protest. It's starting to be a dealbreaker for me.
It's infuriating, frustrating, clunky, biased, and all around bullmalarky. And no one, no one, can justify differently.

Ideas:

1. Post the sellers GLOBAL name, and any other GLOBAL names their master NC Account pays for.
Desired resolution: This helps track down the farmers and the BM jackers, then everyone that plays the game can refuse to play with the jerk that makes this aspect of the game infuriating to the player base. The community will sort out the bad apples and the devs can easily boot/slap/punish/immolate/draw&quarter the BM Jerks.

2. Make listings time sensitve, 1 week max length, and the price you paid to list it is GONE FOREVER. This will incentivise sellers to put an actual reasonable price on their items instead of just listing something for an inflated price and letting it sit for months. It'll start costing them to try and jerk around the BM so they'll have to drop the prices in order to actually move their stock.

3. FOR THE AE/BM/UNIVERSITY: Ok seriously, for the love of all that is holy and dear to the world, can you not allow us to have our recipe window open at the same time we're trying to use the AE Ticket Vendor? It... well.. you know... makes sense that I would want the ability to SEE the recipe and required Salvage so I would know what to buy without needing to break out a pencil and notepad first. C'mon now.. Make it EASIER for us to use the game, instead of making it more time consuming and hassling to try and accomplish our goals. If you want, I'll raise 20billion infamy to build a University in Sharkhead, NEAR THE DOCKS/BM/AE/Ferry, why? Cuz then I have a central hub to utilize instead of having to zone here, or use a jetpack to fly up here, or etc etc. I mean, i like running around the zones as much as the next person, but after the 500000000th lap through Aeon City in Cap i'd really rather never set foot up there again, move the AE down to the University area.

I'm trying to enjoy the game, i really am, but its starting to feel like they're working harder at punishing the player, instead of rewarding them.


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I would support #3.

#2 /unsigned. I've put plenty of "reasonable" prices up and still had to wait longer than week(s) for a bid from someone not trying to grab something on the cheap/sly.

#1 /unsigned. The last thing we need is all the snarking global and private messaging that would result. The offers and bids are what they are. The prices that show up are the ones that were paid. If you cannot or will not pay that... there are plenty of other ways to get what you want. Alignment merits in particular have radically changed the acquisition of recipes that are desired.


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I can't think of much to say that is intelligent. Wow.

I don't farm and I don't "market jack," explain to me how adding people's names to the CH interface is going to prove anything.

Also, since lowball bidding is the cheap way to get awesome stuff, you'd effectively increase the price on everything I'm buying. But then, your "solutions" seem kind of short-sighted.

Why don't you list the problems you have that are inciting you to "frenzy want to get violent stage?" We can help you figure out ways around them, and you'll start making money in no time at all.


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Originally Posted by Cully View Post
1. Post the sellers GLOBAL name, and any other GLOBAL names their master NC Account pays for.
Desired resolution: This helps track down the farmers and the BM jackers, then everyone that plays the game can refuse to play with the jerk that makes this aspect of the game infuriating to the player base. The community will sort out the bad apples and the devs can easily boot/slap/punish/immolate/draw&quarter the BM Jerks.
Can we also have the globals of the purchaser, and the price the original seller put the item up for? So we can point and laugh at the idiot who paid 20mill for an item listed for 10inf?

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Originally Posted by Cully View Post

2. Make listings time sensitve, 1 week max length, and the price you paid to list it is GONE FOREVER. This will incentivise sellers to put an actual reasonable price on their items instead of just listing something for an inflated price and letting it sit for months. It'll start costing them to try and jerk around the BM so they'll have to drop the prices in order to actually move their stock.
You already lose your listing fee. As for time sensitive... nah /unsigned.

#3.. sure, why not.


 

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1. Someone has made your life worse. Get over it.
2. You cannot buy something you want right NAO. Bid higher. Get over it.
3. The AE uses the same interface as the recipes. Get over it.


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You know, it makes me angry too when someone else is better at this game than I am. The devs should ban everyone whose skill level exceeds my own.

/signed with tongue planted firmly in cheek


 

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Originally Posted by Yomo_Kimyata View Post
classic rant. golf clap.
Needs more jerk hackers and dupin rares. I give it a 7.5


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Needs more jerk hackers and dupin rares. I give it a 7.5
Any forum post that uses the made up market-speak word "incentivise" gets +1 from me. So, 8.5.


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It's in the dictionary so it doesn't count.


incentivize or incentivise (ɪnˈsɛntɪˌvaɪz)

— vb
( tr )
a. to provide (someone) with a good reason for wanting to do something: why not incentivize companies to relocate?
b. to promote (something) with a particular incentive: an incentivized share option scheme

incentivise or incentivise

— vb


 

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Farmers are necessary to an MMO economy. Quality farmers are the ones that generate the goods that people want to buy AND they also sell things at reasonable prices ( because if they don't then their market interface is clogged with stuff that wont sell).

As for expensive items that keep increasing in price : inflation + scarcity = increasingly expensive goods. There is nothing you can do to change this fact without adding new influence sinks into the game. You can circumvent the issue using alignment merits.


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And no one, no one, can justify differently.
Looks like someone needs a lil' TopDoc explanation:
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You only deserve the purples [or in this case PVP IO's- Fulmens] that you get as drops. If you want MORE than that, you have to convince other players to give them to you. Other players can be very unreasonable. You may have to give them a WHOLE LOT of Inf to get what you want.
I checked your post history. You're enraged at the cost of the Gladiator's Armor +3% Defense IO.

Which happens to be the single most expensive thing in the game. 2 billion? Try 2.5 or 3 billion. Off market. You can earn one yourself, either by PVPing a lot or by accumulating 30 or 35 Alignment Merits. (I don't remember the exact number.) And that means playing, more or less, an hour a day for a month. More hours trades for less days.

Do you want to do that?
Or do you want ME to do that and sell it to you for cheap?


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Whoa, wait--they're angry that they can't have the most expensive item in the entire game with minimal effort?

Well-played.


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Originally Posted by Diggis View Post
Can we also have the globals of the purchaser, and the price the original seller put the item up for? So we can point and laugh at the idiot who paid 20mill for an item listed for 10inf?



You already lose your listing fee. As for time sensitive... nah /unsigned.

#3.. sure, why not.
Of course! That's part of the point. Actually, now that you mention it, you could track it and see who is intentionally buying stuff at inflated prices just to bump up the "past 5" sells so it looks like that's "just the way the price is".

The purpose/point of #1 is to bring more transparency to the process. The point of having the one week max for listing is to again, force the markets to move. This is an MMO, not the stock market, our pace is never, ever, going to be like that on Wall Street, and to expect otherwise is more foolish than my rantposts.


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Whoa, wait--they're angry that they can't have the most expensive item in the entire game with minimal effort?

Well-played.
No, I'm talking about things like Luck Charm, for 100k, really? I mean... really?

If some idiot wants to spend 700mil on a purple, go for it. You're an idiot. That simple. Would I like to see some REALISTIC bidding going on for purples instead of the mandatory "Pfft, every fool gets impatient and will pay it eventually" Mindset? Yes, Yes, I would like to see that change. Cuz.. like I said, if it cost you 50million to put up the bid, and it didn't sell in a week, and you were forced to collect it again and spend ANOTHER 50 million waiting for that idiot.... well.... the tides have turned now haven't they? I can outlast your desire to try and score that 700mil sale, if its costing you 50mil a week to attempt it. That's how that's supposed to work.

And I've been playing since day 3 of launch, don't try and talk to me about effort lololololol


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No, I'm talking about things like Luck Charm, for 100k, really? I mean... really?
Pocket change. Really.

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If some idiot wants to spend 700mil on a purple, go for it. You're an idiot. That simple. Would I like to see some REALISTIC bidding going on for purples instead of the mandatory "Pfft, every fool gets impatient and will pay it eventually" Mindset? Yes, Yes, I would like to see that change. Cuz.. like I said, if it cost you 50million to put up the bid, and it didn't sell in a week, and you were forced to collect it again and spend ANOTHER 50 million waiting for that idiot.... well.... the tides have turned now haven't they? I can outlast your desire to try and score that 700mil sale, if its costing you 50mil a week to attempt it. That's how that's supposed to work.
Uhh, you mean, sorta like how it works now? How many mustache-twirling marketeers do you suppose are really happy about items that clog their market slots for multiple weeks? I mean, I'm sure there's someone, somewhere, who's over-joyed at the prospect, but it ain't exactly a pressing issue. I eat listing fees all the time. I'm still way ahead.

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And I've been playing since day 3 of launch, don't try and talk to me about effort lololololol
Day one of launch. Don't get me wrong; the last seven years haven't been effortless for me, but whatever difficulties I've had in that time span haven't been video-game related.


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Originally Posted by Fulmens View Post
Looks like someone needs a lil' TopDoc explanation:

Looks like someone needs to re-read the beginning of this thread, where I specifically state I was in ANOTHER thread, before I saw THIS topic area existed, so I was proactive and moved it to a more relevant location instead of jacking someone else's thread. Also, interesting read, I didn't refute/dispute any part of Drop Rates, or game coding. Not in the least, I'm talking about the PEOPLE. You know... the ones that screw everything up.


I checked your post history. You're enraged at the cost of the Gladiator's Armor +3% Defense IO.

I don't do PVP, I have no interest in PVP sets. Read again, try again. (Sorry, I know its inflammatory but we set a mood and I have to stay in character.)

Which happens to be the single most expensive thing in the game. 2 billion? Try 2.5 or 3 billion. Off market. You can earn one yourself, either by PVPing a lot or by accumulating 30 or 35 Alignment Merits. (I don't remember the exact number.) And that means playing, more or less, an hour a day for a month. More hours trades for less days.

Do you want to do that?
Or do you want ME to do that and sell it to you for cheap?
I already do that. Except the PVP part (very casual, no real interest in that aspect) But things like an Aegis set, where a recipe goes for 40mil? For an Aegis? Really? What happened to the days when they were so worthless they were termed vendor junk?

*scratches head* What else.... Oh, just compensation. I agree in Just compensation. I Do not believe in stalled markets on borked pricing. That kinda proves that just compensation isn't coming along...


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Cully the problem is the buyers and not the sellers. If Joe Shmo can make influence to the tune of 1 billion a week, why would he care if he spends 100k for a luck charm?

I regularly pay 75k-150k for common salvage simply so i dont have to wait on it. Influence rains from the skies practically so why not spend it on what I want to ?


I am an ebil markeeter and will steal your moneiz ...correction stole your moneiz. I support keeping the poor down because it is impossible to make moneiz in this game.

 

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Pocket change. Really. True, but it's the principle of the matter...

Uhh, you mean, sorta like how it works now? How many mustache-twirling marketeers do you suppose are really happy about items that clog their market slots for multiple weeks? I mean, I'm sure there's someone, somewhere, who's over-joyed at the prospect, but it ain't exactly a pressing issue. I eat listing fees all the time. I'm still way ahead.

Then you're most likely not part of the problem, do you have 8 accounts with all toons maxed on Bm storage just holding things in bid? No? You ARE aware there are freaks that do this and they are what I would consider to be the biggest problem with this, right? You'll at least acknowledge they exist? Or is this one of those cherry picked fact tennis matches?

Day one of launch. Don't get me wrong; the last seven years haven't been effortless for me, but whatever difficulties I've had in that time span haven't been video-game related.
True, my idiot brother got stabbed 8 times 2 days ago and his wife just found out she's losing her job at the end of the month, and now I have serious concerns about where my Nephew is going to end up. So, if i wanna go on a BM rant cuz it's been bugging me the past 4 years, I will. :P

No, I don't want endless solicitations of sympathy, if you're honest, thank you, my family appreciates it. But believe me when i tell you i'm just waiting for him to get better so i can thump his dumb--umm.. yeah, so i can thump him over the head a few times for his own personal stupidity as well

*hangs head* yes, it IS a family trait, although he DID give up the game during Issue 3....


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Also about aegis: if the crafted price is 40 million then the recipe cost is probably cheaper : stop being lazy and craft it yourself.


I am an ebil markeeter and will steal your moneiz ...correction stole your moneiz. I support keeping the poor down because it is impossible to make moneiz in this game.

 

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Cully the problem is the buyers and not the sellers. If Joe Shmo can make influence to the tune of 1 billion a week, why would he care if he spends 100k for a luck charm?

I regularly pay 75k-150k for common salvage simply so i dont have to wait on it. Influence rains from the skies practically so why not spend it on what I want to ?

I wish I could quote your sig. I wanna make you my arch-nemesis now lmao. Do you play on Guardian at all?


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Yes I own the top SG spot on guardian.


I am an ebil markeeter and will steal your moneiz ...correction stole your moneiz. I support keeping the poor down because it is impossible to make moneiz in this game.

 

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Originally Posted by Yomo_Kimyata View Post
classic rant. golf clap.

Well thank God somebody recognized it for what it is!


*casual two fingered wave*


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Yes I own the top SG spot on guardian.
BoP? I used to actually be part of them back in the early days lol. Only for a week or two though, went off and formed my own VG that lasted a few years.

Have to admit though, haven't checked that list since issue 9 or so.


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Originally Posted by Cully View Post
No, I'm talking about things like Luck Charm, for 100k, really? I mean... really?

If some idiot wants to spend 700mil on a purple, go for it. You're an idiot. That simple. Would I like to see some REALISTIC bidding going on for purples instead of the mandatory "Pfft, every fool gets impatient and will pay it eventually" Mindset? Yes, Yes, I would like to see that change. Cuz.. like I said, if it cost you 50million to put up the bid, and it didn't sell in a week, and you were forced to collect it again and spend ANOTHER 50 million waiting for that idiot.... well.... the tides have turned now haven't they? I can outlast your desire to try and score that 700mil sale, if its costing you 50mil a week to attempt it. That's how that's supposed to work.

And I've been playing since day 3 of launch, don't try and talk to me about effort lololololol
Who died and made you the arbiter of "reasonable prices?"

I don't mind paying 700 million for a purple if it's one I want right now. It's not because I'm an idiot, it's because I'm lazy and filthy ******* rich. 100k for a Luck Charm? That's pennies.

You could be rich and forget the difference between 1 inf and 100k inf like me, if you took a few minutes to learn the dozens of ways to make ridiculous amounts of inf for almost no effort. Or you could come on the forums to moan about how unjust the world is and how the devs should fix it because you think the prices are unreasonable.

Since you (as so many others who like to whine on the forums) do not seem to understand this: The Market is not a store. It's also working as intended.

Oh and also, your ideas: (1) is never going to happen because the devs specifically made it anonymous to avoid that kind of thing. (2) is never going to happen because it would just discourage people from using the markets in the first place. (3) is probably not going to happen any time soon, because it's not a big deal and they both use the same interface.


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