Heroes or Villains


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Hello all, not sure if I have posted this in the right spot, but, lets give it a go. I just wondered what you prefer playing and why?

I feel I am definately more on the hero side, because it all feels very heroic, to me the villain side, which I have not given much use in all truth, doesn't feel... that villainous. I think its me.

I am still new to the game, only played since October, so, I might be getting something very wrong here. Anybody got experiences with the villain side that could help a newbie along to find his villainous streaks?


 

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Is it okay if I say that I like to change it up? Sometimes I want to play a character that is out to save the day. Sometimes, I like to play a character that is out for himself, or out to conquer the world. Sometimes, I like to play a character that might not be nice or heroic, but isn't a villain, either.


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the main thing I don't like about Villain side is so many of the arcs are written around you being an Arachnos Lackey as opposed to trying to make your own name.


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I play heroes almost exclusively. Primarily because the rogue isles are a deserted wasteland, and there's no one to play with. Which is a shame because the story arcs tend to be better redside than blueside.


 

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I like both. The villain-side is a nice change of pace and lets me play someone with a different mindset although I find mercenary types fit in best. I have used AE to modify the way several of the regular contact's stories play out so that they favor my character better and make me feel less like a lackey.

I like hero-side mainly because that's where my friends like to stay and there always seems to be more to do, TF's to join, etc. It's also easier in the sense that contacts are plentiful, bank jobs are optional, and the stories generally fit my characters.

On average I'll play my villains once or twice a week and my heroes the rest of the time.


 

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I started on the villain side and I still prefer playing there. In my opinion the content there is much better then on blue side and I just like the overall flow of red side over blue. As far as being treated as a lackey, that doesn't bother me in the least since after all these years I don't read the text anymore.


 

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I started on the villain side and I still prefer playing there. In my opinion the content there is much better then on blue side and I just like the overall flow of red side over blue. As far as being treated as a lackey, that doesn't bother me in the least since after all these years I don't read the text anymore.
A lot of this for me. That said, I just enjoy playing my characters no matter what they are, it's just that many of them tend to have been made redside for the above reasons. If blueside got cleaned up for the flow, I'd probably be there more often.


 

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the main thing I don't like about Villain side is so many of the arcs are written around you being an Arachnos Lackey as opposed to trying to make your own name.
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As far as being treated as a lackey, that doesn't bother me in the least since after all these years I don't read the text anymore.
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That said, I just enjoy playing my characters no matter what they are
I never let the "hardwired to be an Arachnos Lackey" thing absolutely stop me from playing redside, but I must admit that the "mindset" for how the redside is organized along those lines has always annoyed me to some degree. It led to things like the limited Patron Pool powers and just made me constantly have to remind myself that regardless of what the mission text was saying I was still playing my OWN characters, not Arachnos clones.

Turns out the idea of a game "forcing" me to follow the path of becoming a junior version of the game's canon characters is one of the main reasons I didn't even bother trying DCUO. That game took the "become an Arachnos Lackey" concept and put it on overdrive.


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I like both. The villain-side is a nice change of pace and lets me play someone with a different mindset although I find mercenary types fit in best. I have used AE to modify the way several of the regular contact's stories play out so that they favor my character better and make me feel less like a lackey.

I like hero-side mainly because that's where my friends like to stay and there always seems to be more to do, TF's to join, etc. It's also easier in the sense that contacts are plentiful, bank jobs are optional, and the stories generally fit my characters.

On average I'll play my villains once or twice a week and my heroes the rest of the time.
This for the most part. I started to want a change of pace awhile back and went rediside, but realized it was a little barren. I changed servers to Freedom and there are always people playing villains. I even found 2 large/great VG/coalitions and now never have to worry about finding teams.

I basically switch back and forth now depending what TF/SF I'm on and what toon is the best match, but I am redside more than not.


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I play almost all villians. It has always seemed to me that there were more young kids and new players hero side. I'd rather play with vets who don't ask me what all these enhancments in their tray are for.

Redside on Freedom really does have plenty of people, but most of the other servers I expect its pretty empty.


 

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I play almost all villians. It has always seemed to me that there were more young kids and new players hero side. I'd rather play with vets who don't ask me what all these enhancments in their tray are for.

Redside on Freedom really does have plenty of people, but most of the other servers I expect its pretty empty.
I'd agree that on average there are probably more "vet" players on the redside than blueside. But really if you avoid Atlas Park on the blueside you avoid 99% of the "young kids and new players" there as well.


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i pretty much play exclusively on villains because i dislike 85% or more of heroside content

hero zones are way too freaking huge, AP and galaxy which are some of the smallest zones heroside are about as large as cap au diable redside

the travel is still awful (but has improved), there is still only ONE way to reach PI without ouro or vanguard and only TWO ways to get to striga, not to mention the dozen other hazard zones which have 0 direct travel too and usually are wastelands (such as boomtown)

hero tfs (with some exceptions) are overall snooze fests, heck even the new posi and STF are more boring than most of the villain equivalents

hero contact arcs overall suck, they are laden with hunts and simul-click glowies (i absolutely despise simul-click glowies), the only half decent arcs in the game were the ones involving the praetorians (tina macintyre and maria jenkins) because they are laden with AVs

i think the ONLY thing i like more about heroside is the fact that there are more GMs that are regularly out and about

/end rant

well that ended up being a little more of a rant than i expected, but as you can tell, i generally dislike heroside and avoid it as much as possible


 

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I'd agree that on average there are probably more "vet" players on the redside than blueside. But really if you avoid Atlas Park on the blueside you avoid 99% of the "young kids and new players" there as well.
This is probably true. My only blue side experiance in a long time is as a lowbie waiting for a VG mate to PL me to 20 so I can run tips to get the heck outta there.

I don't know why we can't roll hero AT's as villians (or villian AT's as heros)right out of the box like in praetoria. I love my scrappers but its no fun starting on the wrong side.


 

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i pretty much play exclusively on villains because i dislike 85% or more of heroside content

hero zones are way too freaking huge, AP and galaxy which are some of the smallest zones heroside are about as large as cap au diable redside

the travel is still awful (but has improved), there is still only ONE way to reach PI without ouro or vanguard and only TWO ways to get to striga, not to mention the dozen other hazard zones which have 0 direct travel too and usually are wastelands (such as boomtown)

hero tfs (with some exceptions) are overall snooze fests, heck even the new posi and STF are more boring than most of the villain equivalents

hero contact arcs overall suck, they are laden with hunts and simul-click glowies (i absolutely despise simul-click glowies), the only half decent arcs in the game were the ones involving the praetorians (tina macintyre and maria jenkins) because they are laden with AVs

i think the ONLY thing i like more about heroside is the fact that there are more GMs that are regularly out and about

/end rant

well that ended up being a little more of a rant than i expected, but as you can tell, i generally dislike heroside and avoid it as much as possible
Every time I see someone rant about how much better the redside is versus the blueside I like to substitute the "Wright Flyer" for the blueside and a "F-16 fighter jet" for the redside and just marvel at how blatantly obvious and pointless the rant really is.

The Devs who made the redside had the advantage of learning from all the mistakes and pitfalls the original blueside made. Of COURSE it's going to be better than the blueside in many ways. A person ranting about it is like a person trying to convince someone else that a F-16 fighter jet is a much better aircraft than the Wright Flyer for dozens of reasons and coming off like they think they might LOSE that argument... it just boggles my mind.

If you're going to choose a point to debate about at least choose a subject that hasn't already practically proven itself by default.


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Every time I see someone rant about how much better the redside is versus the blueside I like to substitute the "Wright Flyer" for the blueside and a "F-16 fighter jet" for the redside and just marvel at how blatantly obvious and pointless the rant really is.

The Devs who made the redside had the advantage of learning from all the mistakes and pitfalls the original blueside made. Of COURSE it's going to be better than the blueside in many ways. A person ranting about it is like a person trying to convince someone else that a F-16 fighter jet is a much better aircraft than the Wright Flyer for dozens of reasons and coming off like they think they might LOSE that argument... it just boggles my mind.

If you're going to choose a point to debate about at least choose a subject that hasn't already practically proven itself by default.
i wasnt trying to make it into a debate or a rant, but thats just my opinion of how i see the game

i know some poeple who swear by heros and rarely touch villains for reasons of not liking the look of the villain zones or who knows what else

i was merely trying to explain my opinion of why i dislike blueside, but it came out a little more rant-like than i hoped, i never even started playing the game till villains was released (i started about 1-2 months before i7 came out) so im sure theres a little bias in there, but from the time i have spent on heroside but i never enjoyed it

all matters aside, i wasnt debating anything, merely stating my opinion on the red vs blue question


 

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I play both sides. *shrug* We have a ton of slots. Use 'em.
At this point I've probably played both sides many more hundreds of hours than I'd care to count. That's why I always think it's funny whenever a "side-zealot" (my name for a person who seems to love everything about one side and hates everything about the other) posts their one-sided views in this forum.


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I like the redside archetypes but I like the heroside content. I'm a good girl at heart, even if a lot of it is repetitive (plus there are more people there). I just got Going Rogue a couple days ago, so now I can even work on bringing some of my villains over to Paragon City. Exciting!


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i was merely trying to explain my opinion of why i dislike blueside, but it came out a little more rant-like than i hoped, i never even started playing the game till villains was released (i started about 1-2 months before i7 came out) so im sure theres a little bias in there, but from the time i have spent on heroside but i never enjoyed it
I honestly don't really care which of either sides you like or dislike. You certainly don't have to defend your position on it to the likes of me.

I basically just get tired whenever I see anyone bash one side in favor of another, regardless of which side is being bashed. As I just implied in my last post I see the pros and cons of both sides so I guess it just annoys me to see people generally less open-minded about it than that.

Like whatever part of the game you want. But your likes don't really depend on you having to openly tear down the other parts you don't like. *shrugs*


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For me the issue which faction do I prefer rather than a question of heros and villains. For years I have not only been playing both traditional heroes and villains, but villainous heroes and heroic villains. It's all a matter of concept.

So as far as factions go I like Paragon City more than the Rogue Islands. I feel restricted in the Islands and forced along a narrow path. While in Paragon I have many more choices (zones) available to me to suit my mood.


 

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I think I need to play the villain side more, I did start out with villains, but got lured to Paragon City by my friends who were on the blue side pretty much exclusively. So there was always somebody there to team with.

I never think I got to give the villain side a chnace so we'll have to change that.

Im not going to think of myself as an arachnos lackey, more like a willing puppet with his pair of scissors at the ready for when the time is right.


 

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I play both sides, but about 75% villains. At the moment I've got a lot of heroes stalling in the low teens, mainly because though I don't want to run the Hollows with every character, the other blueside zones are very unfocused, with a lot of aimless running around and very few interesting arcs.

That's starting to change as newer content gets added, but I think I'm still most inclined to the redside ATs. Perhaps as I start switching characters over I'll spend more time on blue, though the first character I moved was a Scrapper, from blue to Redside.


 

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I have to say, I prefer Dominators over Controllers due to the secondary punches.

And I favour Corrupters over Blasters due to the more diverse secondary options.


 

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I think I prefer villains overall, but that may be because I don't play over there that often. I really enjoy their more diverse Archetype types, and the way their Inherents interact. I really love Stalkers, and Masterminds are pretty much unique to the villain side. (Not any more, but mine were when I was creating them) And I'll agree with the previous post that Dominators are a lot of fun to play as well. (Especially if you keybind a costume change to Domination. It's just awesome to turn into this huge monster and go to town all over some foes )

OTOH, I think Tankers are my all around favorite AT, and Paragon City is just larger and has more options. The dreariness of the Rogue Isles can wear on you after a while. I like visiting the villain side, but I wouldn't want to live there. (And that's probably why most of my villains have gone Rogue, but only a few of my heroes are Vigilantes, mainly those for whom it fits their concept)


 

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I spend probably 90-95% of my time Blue side. When CoV first came out, we had one of our regular buddies who didn't like being a villain, so I only played red-side once in a while and mostly solo. Eventually, we made a VG on another server and spend some time there . . . but not all that often. When VEATS were announced, I decided I wanted to get at least one Villain up to 50, so my Thugs/Dark got there. I have a few others in the 30's and a couple in the 40's . . . but when I play red-side, it is almost always solo.

Certainly many of the stories are better written on the Red-side. But there are a few things I don't like. Most of the zones are dingy and depressing -- yeah, that kind of fits with the overall story, but it is still depressing. Cap is the only "one stop shopping" area with the market near the base, but the vendors are a bit farther away and the level is so low -- at least Talos is 20's, so it is better for Tip Missions. And . . . I have to admit that I get sick and tired of Longbow and Arachnos . . . over and over. You can't avoid them. Blue side, I can generally avoid types of foes I don't like, but there's far more limited choices Red side.

And finally, I prefer to be heroic. I prefer to play a good guy. Red-side is filled with double-crossing where you are often fighting folks who should be your friends, or at least, on the same side. If I'm trying to become a high level Arachnos guy, should I be fighting Arachnos?


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