Storm and what?


Amy_Amp

 

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Hi, Folks.
I want to start a new toon and need some help. My other High LVL toons are jump-ins (SD/Fire Tank, Fire/Rad Troller, Fire/SS Brute, SD/Elec Scrapper...), so i want to try something different. I like the idea of a ranged Char and decided to go with Storm. But i'm not sure what AT and Powersets to take. As you can see i like to fight large spawns. At ~lvl30 the toon has to be capable of handling x8 Spawns, without extreme investions for IO-Sets . Doesn't matter if it is -1/8 or +2/8. And i have to solo 90% of the time. What i dislike is dying a lot, so killing slowly and safe is better for me than a fast killing squishy Char. I preferr them over pure damagedealing. First question is which AT. Mastermind? Tried them many times and deleted all of them btw lvl15 and 30, except my Bots/Traps. Corruptor/Defender or Controller? And which Set?

Anyone has some ideas, opinions or experiences what best to pair with storm?


 

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Since you have done Fire for controllers, Plant/storm would work. I haven't tested recently in terms of mobs size I can solo on, but I just have common IOs in the build as well. Fire/storm corr, or a using Dark blast as a corr, or def might work as well. Dark gets two solid AoEs and it has a blast/heal which can help cover Storm's lack of a self heal. Dark won't be as fast as Fire due to the heavy amount of DoT Dark has, but Dark will be safer.


 

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Bah. I see your edit and completely forgot about MMs. Bots/storm. Thugs/storm would likely be good as well.


 

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Dark is a nice idea, i like the looks and sounds of the Powers. I only avoided it up to now due to the many cones. I preferred Powersets with PBAOEs on my other toons. But for a ranged Char the cones should fit well.
I will take a look on dark, ty for the advice Amy.


 

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Second, Third and Fourth Bots/Storm. Embrace the chaos.


 

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Bah. I see your edit and completely forgot about MMs. Bots/storm. Thugs/storm would likely be good as well.
My bots/storm couldn't reliably run x8 before level 38/Lightning Storm (a knockback that works even when mezzed), while my plant/storm was running x8 starting around level 26/Carrion Creepers (and could probably have done it at level 10/Steamy Mist).


 

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Illusion/storm controller

that is all


 

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Illusion/storm controller

that is all
True very true. Probably one of the gnarliest controller combos. BUT I'm not so sure it fits the OPs requirement of x8 in the thirties (it will do it, but I'm not sure at a good speed). 40s sure, but the lack of quick aoe containment and damage on an illusion controller makes it more of a single target expert in the lower and mid levels. Fully matured, its a beast of all beasts though. Well worth the wait.


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Thx for all the suggestions. I have 2 free Charslots. I think i will use both of them to test 2 different combos. 1 Slot will be used for a Dark/Storm Corruptor or Defender ... i'm not sure what the better AT for this combination is. Maybe someone has some experiences with that.

Bots/Storm might be a nice Combo, but one Bot-MM is enough for me. So the second will be a /Storm Troller. ATM i can't decide what Powerset i'll take.

Maybe Ice....think this would be a very survivable Combo, a lot of tools for avoiding nearly all Melee-Attacks and a lot -Recharge, but from what i see it will take hours to take the Enemies down, cause i have to rely on low damage Powers like Freezing Rain. Am i right?

Plant...mmmmh. +Regen through Spirit Tree to compensate the lack of a selfheal. A mass confuse power at lvl 8 to help at lower levels. Carrion Creepers at lvl26. How is this combination damagewise? Can i stand back, let the Carrion Creepers do their work with the support of Freezing Rain and Lightning Storm? Are they able to keep Aggro?


 

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Thx for all the suggestions. I have 2 free Charslots. I think i will use both of them to test 2 different combos. 1 Slot will be used for a Dark/Storm Corruptor or Defender ... i'm not sure what the better AT for this combination is. Maybe someone has some experiences with that.

Bots/Storm might be a nice Combo, but one Bot-MM is enough for me. So the second will be a /Storm Troller. ATM i can't decide what Powerset i'll take.

Maybe Ice....think this would be a very survivable Combo, a lot of tools for avoiding nearly all Melee-Attacks and a lot -Recharge, but from what i see it will take hours to take the Enemies down, cause i have to rely on low damage Powers like Freezing Rain. Am i right?

Plant...mmmmh. +Regen through Spirit Tree to compensate the lack of a selfheal. A mass confuse power at lvl 8 to help at lower levels. Carrion Creepers at lvl26. How is this combination damagewise? Can i stand back, let the Carrion Creepers do their work with the support of Freezing Rain and Lightning Storm? Are they able to keep Aggro?
Plant/Storm would be a total beast. Especially once you throw a few procs into Creepers and Roots.

Creepers can keep aggro for a wee while, but I've found there's little need to since everything is confused anyway. You want to be adding to the AOE death with Roots and any Epic AOEs you have, that way you get more XP from confused foes.

Illusion/Storm was my first 50, my main and my first controller and I love it to bits, but it isn't the best at many of lower level enemies, the PAs get too distracted. Plant is a better AOE monster.


 

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Maybe Ice....think this would be a very survivable Combo, a lot of tools for avoiding nearly all Melee-Attacks and a lot -Recharge, but from what i see it will take hours to take the Enemies down, cause i have to rely on low damage Powers like Freezing Rain. Am i right?

Plant...mmmmh. +Regen through Spirit Tree to compensate the lack of a selfheal. A mass confuse power at lvl 8 to help at lower levels. Carrion Creepers at lvl26. How is this combination damagewise? Can i stand back, let the Carrion Creepers do their work with the support of Freezing Rain and Lightning Storm? Are they able to keep Aggro?
FR isn't a low damage power. It's near non-existent damage. It's really there to boost the damage of your other powers. Ice isn't going to get damage to do x8 until late and even then you might need a sundial to count the time. You have to proc out AA to really have a chance and then epics will likely make it within some reason.

My level 42 Plant/storm/ice currently competes with my Earth/storm/fire in terms of fun ride to 50. Outside of Fire, it will be the easiest to deal with x8 mobs for a controller. FYI, the Ice epic is there due to the def based armor to stack with SM. You get Hibernate as a good panic button. You get access to two AoE powers. Storm also tosses Tornado at the mobs so you can really toss a lot of stuff at a mob and let them get distracted and not attacking you.

Ill/storm. The only reason I didn't list it was due to the previously mentioned slower ability to deal with x8. Ill is AoEish just because you have so many pets. It will be by far the trickiest build to play due to the complete chaos you unleash.

I think a def/corr option would be good for a second pick. You have the AoEs for x8. You have the tohit debuffs to survive even if the mobs are on the lower side. I need to get my Storm/dark higher up, but they are sitting at 27 for now.


 

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Earth/Storm controller. It is jam packed with stackable effects like stuns and slows, has more than enough Knockdown to keep spawns permaflopping, a solid immob that lets you enjoy the damage of tornado without the scatter and a sturdy pet to mop up stragglers.


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Earth/Storm controller. It is jam packed with stackable effects like stuns and slows, has more than enough Knockdown to keep spawns permaflopping, a solid immob that lets you enjoy the damage of tornado without the scatter and a sturdy pet to mop up stragglers.
And generally wouldn't be recommended to solo unless built for it before 32 and even then it would be slow. x8 mobs? Where's the damage coming from outside of epics? Stoney isn't AoE damage. Tornado is only AoE due to it's scrapper with ADHD nature. LS comes at 38. I love my Earth/storm. I have been on a number of teams that figured out I knew what I was doing and went, "We get to play stupid and get away with it today." It's just not naturally built for x8 type of missions.


 

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Ok, as i thought Ice would look cool, bot does not has the damage i need to solo really well. So it seems Plant/Storm is the combo that suits my playstyle more.

What's about my second question... Dark/Storm Defender or Corruptor? Defender has a bit stronger and longerlasting Debuffs/Controls + higher Defboni, but is the soloing speed still much slower than a Corruptors or is it comparable since the changes?


 

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My Plant/Storm Controller was an excellent ride to 50, and was the first character I really continued playing extensively post-50. Most of her leveling was solo, fighting larger spawns of -1 or even-level foes.

Even with SOs or common IOs, Seeds, FR, Creepers, and Roots can quickly turn large spawns into butter. Against hard targets like AVs on TFs, add Tornado and Lightning Storm for more damage.


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Originally Posted by Atago View Post
Ok, as i thought Ice would look cool, bot does not has the damage i need to solo really well. So it seems Plant/Storm is the combo that suits my playstyle more.

What's about my second question... Dark/Storm Defender or Corruptor? Defender has a bit stronger and longerlasting Debuffs/Controls + higher Defboni, but is the soloing speed still much slower than a Corruptors or is it comparable since the changes?
You might want to ask on the corr, or defender boards. Like I said, I only have the one and they don't get much played. Due to Dark's heavy DoT nature, I don't think scourge is as useful compared to other sets like Ice, or Fire since their rain powers check for scourge on each of the numerous DoT attacks as where Dark checks the very initial damage and doesn't check for scourge each DoT after that. T.T.'s DoT is slow enough that you could be using a 2nd T.T. before the first one is even completed. Scourge isn't as useful against minions due to their low health anyway and that's going to be a huge part of what you fight. If you are focusing on harder targets, then scourge becomes a bigger player.

Point is, I think it's more of a coin flip than anything.


 

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Plant/Storm was #Winning way before Charlie Sheen.

Without IOs its good with some IOs its great. seeds of confusion + roots + freezing rain (with an achilles heel proc if you can get one) throw in creepers and or tornado (does great damage when mobs can't be tossed all over) lightning storm and in my case fault (i think thats the name) from the epic pool and you are destroying large mobs. I usually run her +1/8 and solo on easy mode but she can go higher pretty easily. Most solo farming runs I don't even use lightning storm or tornado.


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Created a Plant/Storm called 'Force of Nature'. For the Dark/Storm i went with a Defender, as by wonder i named him 'Darkstorm'. I think with the higher Buffs/Debuffs he will be a bit more survivable than the Corrupter-Version and damagewise he should not fall that far behind with the 35% Res-Debuff especially when i get higher recharge later on and can doublestack Freezing Rain.



Thx all for the replies.


 

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I recently started a plant/storm troller and love her to death. I figure there are two ways to embrace storm summoning: control the chaos, or embrace the chaos. I play a TON on my grav/troller which fulfills my enjoyment of the latter.


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Fire/Storm. the potential is amazing. The damage can be crazy. and the two fill the gaps that the other lacks. My second would be Ice and Storm.

If I was playing a Corr, I like my Elec/Storm. It's a sapper controller. It works wonders and thematic aspects work. Lightning etc.

However Fire/Storm is a real tough cookie. Like...A Stale cookie on steroids.


 

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Hot Feet is a good damage power and with the tricks of fire control and storm you can make the mobs sit there and take it. Adding imps at 32 only makes things better.

I am starting a fire/storm corrupter to see how that plays, dont know if it will be as powerful and awesome as my controller, should still be fun. Snow Storm + Freezing Rain + Inferno should mean tightly packed groups taking very extreme damage.


 

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Originally Posted by Atago View Post
Hi, Folks.
I want to start a new toon and need some help. My other High LVL toons are jump-ins (SD/Fire Tank, Fire/Rad Troller, SS/Fire Brute, Elec/SD Scrapper...), so i want to try something different. I like the idea of a ranged Char and decided to go with Storm.
Fire Storm would be a powerfull combo, i agree cause i see what devastation my Fire/Rad Troller and my Fire/Psi Domi can cause. But in that case it's nothing for me as you can see in above quote. Fire without running Hot Feet is no option and with Hotfeet on i have to jump in as with my other chars.

For thematic reasons i already thought about Ice/Storm and Elec/Storm. How it was confirmed Ice/Storm would not have enough damage(especially AOE) for a Solotoon fighting /x8 spawns. Elec seems to be a nice Powerset but there are so many Powers that doesn't work together well. Many Knockbacks and no Knockback-Protection, Static Field and Freezing Rain, Hurricane aso. One day in the future i will start a Elec/Psi Domi, think this Combo will be more compatible.


 

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Fire Storm would be a powerfull combo, i agree cause i see what devastation my Fire/Rad Troller and my Fire/Psi Domi can cause. But in that case it's nothing for me as you can see in above quote. Fire without running Hot Feet is no option and with Hotfeet on i have to jump in as with my other chars.

For thematic reasons i already thought about Ice/Storm and Elec/Storm. How it was confirmed Ice/Storm would not have enough damage(especially AOE) for a Solotoon fighting /x8 spawns. Elec seems to be a nice Powerset but there are so many Powers that doesn't work together well. Many Knockbacks and no Knockback-Protection, Static Field and Freezing Rain, Hurricane aso. One day in the future i will start a Elec/Psi Domi, think this Combo will be more compatible.
For controllers no. But for Corrs, and Defs. Ice/Storm Fire/Storm/Elec/Storm are all excellent. I did not like Dark Blast/Storm, or Psi/Storm

For controllers, Fire/Storm is excellent. I am not a huge fan of Elec control at all. I just despise it when I have tried it.

Ice/Storm is low damage but the control is amazing! Take some fighting pool skills or Air Sup to give more damage options if soloing and it will still be slow. Although endgame this will be a super support for your team.

Plant/Storm is Win also because you can bring down fliers easy enough.
Never Tried Earth/Storm but there are better things that work with earth but it could be fun.
Illusion/Grav/Storm....not my cup of tea at all. but others love it. Illusion being better paired with it than Grav in my oppinion, because grav is sort of counter productive with storm and the synergy is just not there in my oppinion.


 

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So many interesting Powersets and Combos.....hope somedays i will have enough time to test them all:-)


 

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Fair warning: Storm isn't a strictly ranged set. Quite a few stormies jump in and tank, and not just to Thunderclap.

If you want to keep it ranged as a personal preference, look for sets that reward you for keeping back a ways. Dark Blast, Sonic Attack, Ice Blast, Psi Blast, and Archery come to mind. Mind, Earth and Plant Control too.

Then again, maybe you want to embrace your inner tankfender. Toggle Hurricane, jump into the mob, toggle it off and dump Freezing Rain as soon as you land, /em boombox. Radiation Blast, Illusion and Fire Control will steer you down that path.

Masterminds can go either way, depending how you feel about melee and bodyguards. I don't have much experience with masterminds... er, not with masterminds who have pets, anyway....