How many of you make 1B+ a day?
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Adeon Hawkwood,
Posted on: 2011-03-12 13:37 in The Market and Inventions
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I'm not saying the idea of "just run the trials to save the influence" is a bad one. As I implied I'm pretty much planning on doing that with my main character at the very least.|
Originally Posted by Adeon Hawkwood
Here's the thing, unless the trials are considerably less stingy with threads than they seemed to be in the sneak peek it's probably going to be faster to get the items without spending inf.
Making a rare requires 340 threads or 8 Empyrean Merits. Making a very rare requires 1360 threads or 32 Empyrean Merits. Now unless you convert your Empyrean Merits to threads (which from the point of view of getting rares/very rares is a bad idea) but do convert your Astral Merits you're probably going to get a bit less that 20 threads per trial. So that means 17 trials per rare or 68 trials per very rare in order to buy them with threads. |
What I'm saying is that I might not choose to run that many trials for ALL of my alts that I'm currently working Incarnate content for. For my secondary alts I may choose to "waste" some INF on them just so I don't have to run a bunch of trials multiple times.
I have huge piles of influence I'm not doing anything else with. Might as well consider using some of it to save me a little extra time don't you think?
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I get that, my point is that it won't save you any time. If it was just a case of trading inf for components it would be one thing, but you have to have inf + threads + uncommon components.|
Originally Posted by Lothic
I'm not saying the idea of "just run the trials to save the influence" is a bad one. As I implied I'm pretty much planning on doing that with my main character at the very least.
What I'm saying is that I might not choose to run that many trials for ALL of my alts that I'm currently working Incarnate content for. For my secondary alts I may choose to "waste" some INF on them just so I don't have to run a bunch of trials multiple times. I have huge piles of influence I'm not doing anything else with. Might as well consider using some of it to save me a little extra time don't you think? |
Assume that after converting your astral merits to threads you get 20 threads + 1 Empyrean Merit + 1 Uncommon Component per trial. This is (from what I saw) being somewhat generous with threads and assuming you get an uncommon component instead of a common on the reward table. You need 600 threads, 16 common components and 24 uncommon components to make a single T4. Assume you convert the E. Merits to threads (meaning 40 threads and an uncommon per trial). That will take you approximately 24 trials to get everything.
Now suppose you don't trade your E. Merits in but use them to buy the very rare. You need 200 threads, 16 common components and 10 uncommon components. You'll need 30 trials to get the very rare (obviously) and about the same to get the threads and components (but unlike the above scenario this does not require you to get lucky with the RNG and assumes you are getting common components through the reward table).
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And my point is that I'm going to be spending time running Incarnate trials AND using my influence to the extent that it will be HELPFUL to me across multiple alts. No need to get too bent out of shape over how I'm going to be playing this game. |
Originally Posted by Adeon Hawkwood
I get that, my point is that it won't save you any time. If it was just a case of trading inf for components it would be one thing, but you have to have inf + threads + uncommon components.
Assume that after converting your astral merits to threads you get 20 threads + 1 Empyrean Merit + 1 Uncommon Component per trial. This is (from what I saw) being somewhat generous with threads and assuming you get an uncommon component instead of a common on the reward table. You need 600 threads, 16 common components and 24 uncommon components to make a single T4. Assume you convert the E. Merits to threads (meaning 40 threads and an uncommon per trial). That will take you approximately 24 trials to get everything. Now suppose you don't trade your E. Merits in but use them to buy the very rare. You need 200 threads, 16 common components and 10 uncommon components. You'll need 30 trials to get the very rare (obviously) and about the same to get the threads and components (but unlike the above scenario this does not require you to get lucky with the RNG and assumes you are getting common components through the reward table). |
I already pretty much have many billions of influence on hand doing absolutely nothing else. I've already wasted multiple billions of it converting it to Prestige or buying all sorts of IOs. If what I have left will help me save any time advancing my secondary alts along the Incarnate path then I'll likely use it that way. If it won't it won't. No big deal either way so stop being so defensive about this. *shrugs*
Earlier I mentioned stockpiling a bit more influence in the coming months for I20 and I'm still going to do that regardless. It's not like I'm doing much else with it right now anyway. If it proves not to be useful for Incarnate stuff I'll use it for something else eventually...
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It's not so much defensive, just frustration. I've been seeing a lot of people doing the "OMG 600 million inf DOOOM!!!!" along with obsessing about the inf cost and ignoring the thread cost (and what that means in terms of time commitment) and it's annoying me. I could understand the complaints if it was the only way or even if it was the best way but from what I can see it doesn't even look like a useful way. In fact if I had to guess I think it's a last minute addition simply due to the complaints about the lack of a solo path.|
Originally Posted by Lothic
No big deal either way so stop being so defensive about this.
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Anyway, that's it from me (promise).
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I agree completely that throwing influence into this mix was probably a last-minute concession to the solo-zealots.|
Originally Posted by Adeon Hawkwood
It's not so much defensive, just frustration. I've been seeing a lot of people doing the "OMG 600 million inf DOOOM!!!!" and it's annoying me. I could understand the complaints if it was the only way or even if it was the best way but from what I can see it doesn't even look like a useful way. In fact if I had to guess I think it's a last minute addition simply due to the complaints about the lack of a solo path.
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But since it's there I'm going to take a look at using it even if it's generally the "non-optimal" way to do things because heck, I've got the resource lying around unused already. What will it matter to me to "waste" influence on this when I'm in the relatively lucky position of having the influence to burn?
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I'm more in the 1B/week crowd, when I pay attention to it.
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To some degree, I have. After throwing more than 20B into the 88'rs (which| Then... have you lost interest in making more ? |
is most probably more than I've put into all my toons, combined), it seems
a bit pointless to me to put in X amount of effort to get Y amount of inf simply
to chuck it into the Infcinerator (although, don't get me wrong - taking over
the #1 spot on Virtue was one of the more amusing and enjoyable projects
I've been involved with during my time in the game).
While that was the most inf intensive effort I've achieved (or been
interested in achieving) I've been there, done that and honestly don't
need anywhere near that kind of inf going forward - by contrast, equipping
my characters is far easier and less expensive.
So, these days, I'm somewhat less inclined to make much inf beyond what I
need for the few toons I'm actively working on, and only one of those has a
build that requires a few billion to complete in the forseeable future.
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The 600m is a joke compared to the time to get the threads; so basically, I agree |
Originally Posted by Adeon Hawkwood
It's not so much defensive, just frustration. I've been seeing a lot of people doing the "OMG 600 million inf DOOOM!!!!" along with obsessing about the inf cost and ignoring the thread cost (and what that means in terms of time commitment) and it's annoying me. I could understand the complaints if it was the only way or even if it was the best way but from what I can see it doesn't even look like a useful way. In fact if I had to guess I think it's a last minute addition simply due to the complaints about the lack of a solo path.
Anyway, that's it from me (promise). |
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I pay someone 10B a week to do my marketing. And my slotting. And my accolading. And my TF'ing, badging, leveling, farming, mission arcs, forum reading, forum posting, builds, and the list goes on... the only thing I do is play my toons and base design. This game is SO easy!!!
I am also in the 1B per week group... i have seriously cut back my marketing across all my toons and have stock piled a ton of infl via mail and rare enhancements for no particular reason. My mains are ll IO'd the way I want them and they only have one maybe 2 powers purpled, so the funds I earn running whatever just gets xfered over to an unused alt.
There was a time (during the big 88 push) when I was logging in twice a day on 5 different alts and I was pulling down 500M to 850M daily. I didnt play during this time and quite frankly I found it boring. However, I had a newborn to take care of and wouldnt have been able to team anyhow, and quite frankly I was okay with that.
I have three characters with "omguberexpensive" builds, thats all I really need right now so Im kind of bored with the idea of making more moola. Occassionally Ill revisit one when something happens to the game to change things and Ill start to pimp out a new one but never finish.
Ive slowed down my marketing to the three 50s Ive been playing through incarnate stuff and Im enjoying the slower pace Ive made for myself.
I used to consistently make .75-1.5B a day almost every day. Recently a lot of niches have seen their margins shrink so I've been getting more in the range of .40-.75B a day. Takes about 15-20 mins a day total across 9 toons of which I log 3 in per day on a 3 day rotation. If you count selling what I generate in amerits too (sped up by dropping my 1st tip each time I log one of these toons) I do even better.
I have lost a little motivation too since there wasn't much to do with inf.
I used to make 1-3 bill/day and spend way too much time in the market (I actually play a lot as well) but lately it has gotten much harder so now I am probably doing less than 500 M on a bad day and almost never seem to get over 2 bill
I went last week and threw the two billion I had on a character into a Glad. +Def bid for giggles and figured I'd "start over" to see how it went. I'm still lousy at finding good profitable niches but managed to make 800mil in the past week with minimal effort. Actually, that week ends today so with a little push I might crack a billion for the week.
Hardly up to 1B per day standards but I don't make any All Purple builds or anything either so a casual billion is still more money than I'm likely to spend any time soon. Exploring the market's been entertaining in its own right as well.
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Originally Posted by Frogfather
... However, I had a newborn to take care of and wouldnt have been able to team anyhow, and quite frankly I was okay with that.
... Ive slowed down my marketing to the three 50s Ive been playing through incarnate stuff and Im enjoying the slower pace Ive made for myself. |
Pretty much exactly this for me since returning in December. I came back to roughly 650m account wide, and currently have 5bil. during that time ive played one char to 50, two (+1)'ed, and numerous projects revisited or created, with two builds pumped up, to the tune of 2 bil (purchased my first ever LOTG 7.5%'s and Numi +R/+R's!)
currently, after getting back into the swing of things, im in the 200mil average per day huddle. though, today, im in the 1bil+ a day huddle thanks to a ragnarok triple recipe drop selling for 700m. i just cant bring myself to part with it all yet lol.
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So the answer for the OP seems to be "About two of us."
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I can't possibly be the 1st or 2nd highest grossing person in the market right now. I KNOW that there are a couple people making more than me because I have been in active niche PvP with them over some very profitable niches and unless said people do nothing else on the market (unlikely given their niche PvP skill) they're making more than me based on their ability to take losses and keep fighting for the niche. The one person must have about 100 Gaussian Rchg/End by now too and thus will be able to make a killing going forward if they spike the recipe prices while limiting their stock.
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Originally Posted by Fulmens
So the answer for the OP seems to be "About two of us."
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I play around in that niche about once every two weeks, but not in size. Perhaps there are 50 other people like me instead of an ebil mastermind?
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Originally Posted by Enyalios
I can't possibly be the 1st or 2nd highest grossing person in the market right now. I KNOW that there are a couple people making more than me because I have been in active niche PvP with them over some very profitable niches and unless said people do nothing else on the market (unlikely given their niche PvP skill) they're making more than me based on their ability to take losses and keep fighting for the niche. The one person must have about 100 Gaussian Rchg/End by now too and thus will be able to make a killing going forward if they spike the recipe prices while limiting their stock.
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pshaw! Where's the melodrama in that?|
Originally Posted by Yomo_Kimyata
Perhaps there are 50 other people like me instead of an ebil mastermind?
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Or perchance, that is what I want you to believe, muahahahah!|
Originally Posted by Ironblade
pshaw! Where's the melodrama in that?
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Oh $$#, did I say that out loud?
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And that mean..... how much a day ?
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Originally Posted by Enyalios
I can't possibly be the 1st or 2nd highest grossing person in the market right now. I KNOW that there are a couple people making more than me because I have been in active niche PvP with them over some very profitable niches and unless said people do nothing else on the market (unlikely given their niche PvP skill) they're making more than me based on their ability to take losses and keep fighting for the niche. The one person must have about 100 Gaussian Rchg/End by now too and thus will be able to make a killing going forward if they spike the recipe prices while limiting their stock.
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I may have been misinterpreting ""how many of you" as "the market forum people" and not "marketeers in general." I think what this thread shows is that you have to be really aggressive and work at it to beat a half-billion inf a day.
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Someone has removed 100 crafted IOs from the market at the same predictable three digit ending to the price. Either they have a lot of toons who need that 6th slot filled.....or they're hoarding. I find it hard to believe that its a ton of smaller players since the bids are almost always ending with same 3 digits. Kudos to them as they are going to make far more off the niche pvp once they finish the move and raise prices on the niche by scooping up the incoming recipes as well. I've made 5B total on the niche over the last two weeks but that'll be nothing compared to the profits they'll make mostly re-selling my IOs.
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Originally Posted by Yomo_Kimyata
I play around in that niche about once every two weeks, but not in size. Perhaps there are 50 other people like me instead of an ebil mastermind?
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That is very good market color, thanks! It is a set where the the 6th slot adds value, but I'll be sure to be wary.|
Originally Posted by Enyalios
Someone has removed 100 crafted IOs from the market at the same predictable three digit ending to the price. Either they have a lot of toons who need that 6th slot filled.....or they're hoarding. I find it hard to believe that its a ton of smaller players since the bids are almost always ending with same 3 digits. Kudos to them as they are going to make far more off the niche pvp once they finish the move and raise prices on the niche by scooping up the incoming recipes as well. I've made 5B total on the niche over the last two weeks but that'll be nothing compared to the profits they'll make mostly re-selling my IOs.
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Out of curiosity, why not pick up the recipes yourself then craft and hit the bid? If I had thought I could pull 2bn a week out of that area, I would have, but it was one of my short-term experiments that I'll post about one of these days.
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Making a rare requires 340 threads or 8 Empyrean Merits. Making a very rare requires 1360 threads or 32 Empyrean Merits. Now unless you convert your Empyrean Merits to threads (which from the point of view of getting rares/very rares is a bad idea) but do convert your Astral Merits you're probably going to get a bit less that 20 threads per trial. So that means 17 trials per rare or 68 trials per very rare in order to buy them with threads.