Will Atlas Park be destroyed?!!
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Posted on: 2011-03-10 13:10 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
The Devs should blow up Galaxy City.
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Originally Posted by warden_de_dios
The Devs should blow up Galaxy City.
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Just out of curiosity, why?
Zone into Atlas and do a /whoall
Zone into Galaxy and do a /whoall
Which zone is going to waste?
Atlas is the most social zone this game has, if you revamp that zone you run the risk of displacing that aspect of the game. If you revamp Galaxy you give everyone the option and incentive to go to Galaxy and experience new content while leaving Atlas the way it is.
There are 2 1-5 zones in Paragon, one is used constantly for a variety of reasons, the other one sits there and gathers dust.
Short answer: no.
Long answer: no.
And no, the other starter zone does not "sit there and gather dust." Some of us *like* starting in that zone, without AE or the market. Not to mention the Warshade story arc contact is in that zone.
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Originally Posted by The_Coming_Storm
Equity can also be used in the manner I described, though its more common use is some financial definition which I don't know. Meh :P (Why can't I get the tongue smiley to work?)
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Merging Galaxy City with Atlas Park would be nice - the Galaxy Girl statue and park could be put behind City Hall instead of the car parking area, and the Freedom Corps building could be made into a new lower level under City Hall.
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Originally Posted by memphis_bill
short answer: No.
Long answer: No. And no, the other starter zone does not "sit there and gather dust." very very very few of us *like* starting in that zone, without ae or the market. Not to mention the warshade story arc contact is in that zone. |
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Redside, blueside, any ol' side..... this game world needs a SERIOUS UPGRADE. Go on over to the Distinguished Competition and take a peek at THEIR ZONES. OMG. Jaw-dropping beautiful is what I am sayin'.... their game world is so gorgeous and ours is just 5+ years worth of outdated by comparison.|
Originally Posted by The_Coming_Storm
People, it is all about equity. Or did you "high"-and-mighty heroes forget about such an ideal?
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I am all for making a huge smoking crater out of Atlas and Mercy, and getting some modern new landscapes to look at. An always-night zone like the Distinguished Competition's would not come amiss either. I love CoX and am not leaving it, nor do I think the Distinguished Competition's game is anywhere near as good as this one... but their game-world has ours trounced, and admitting that is only basic logic.
Destroy Atlas and Mercy, create something that makes us say "wow" in its place.
guess which whoall is from atlas and which one is from galaxy.
Yeah but warden, that doesn't matter. No matter how many players are in each zone, they're both ugly and they both need a revamp.
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They are going to reduce Atlas Park by 10%?
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Originally Posted by LegionAlpha
Or decimate Atlas Park.
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I used to fiddle with my back feet music for a black onyx. My entire room absorbed every echo. The music was . . . thud like. The music was . . . thud like. I usually played such things as rough-neck and thug. Opaque melodies that would bug most people. Music from the other side of the fence.
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Or you need to quit looking at it as Hero VS Villain, and think of it as you as a player get new content and can play on both sides, therefore you win either way.
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Originally Posted by The_Coming_Storm
People, it is all about equity. Or did you "high"-and-mighty heroes forget about such an ideal?
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Of course it doesn't stick. As it stands now, CoH's maps are tied to the level progression.|
Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane
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As part of the Praetorian Invasion, Steel Canyon takes heavy damage in i19, as does Skyway in the i20 TF. Kings and Talos take moderate hits themselves. These events don't "stick"; Skyway is all fixed again by the time you exit the mission. It's both cool to see the devastation, but at the same time the instancing renders everything pointless and trivial. They can "destroy" any zone they want. It doesn't mean anything. . |
Those zones being destroyed aren't untill after you would normally be out of those zones, going to bigger threats.
KR is destroyed in Apex...when you're level 50! KR is what you see when you are level 8ish, before you get to level 50 and then see it destroyed.
What would the point be of seeing KR destroyed in Apex, if it was destroyed when you first saw it at lvl 8?
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Originally Posted by BrandX
Of course it doesn't stick. As it stands now, CoH's maps are tied to the level progression.
Those zones being destroyed aren't untill after you would normally be out of those zones, going to bigger threats. KR is destroyed in Apex...when you're level 50! KR is what you see when you are level 8ish, before you get to level 50 and then see it destroyed. What would the point be of seeing KR destroyed in Apex, if it was destroyed when you first saw it at lvl 8? |
Okay, I understand it would be a lot of work to attempt to revoke the godhood of Status Que that surpasses the Well of Furies after this game's been baked into it for so many years and we've come to accept the idea of the Time Scale being in relation to our characters' levels.
but the problem with that latter part is that with recent patches, the time scale's been jumping around like a Schizophrenic cat with ADHD with newer stuff being crammed into the level 20-29 pocket, and for heroes it gets worse when you through in the Midnighter arcs and such.
I roll a new toon, it's 2004 for me, they play the midnighter arc at level ten and oooooooops I just got kicked ahead to 2007 or so, afterwards I'm back to 2004, I play Keith Nance's or Roy Coolings arc and ooooooooooooops I'm in 2010, finish those, back in 2004, go to steel canyon after having run some arc that had been taken over by the Council putting me at 2005 or so and ooooooooooops I'm in 2009 because I'M STARING AT THE FIFTH COLUMN RUNNING AROUND RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
City of Heroes is a game about freedom of expression and variety of experiences far more so than it is about representing any one theme, topic or genre.
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If you feel like that, why don't you try out "hardcore" play with the Iron Eagles? Death matters to them.
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Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane
They can "destroy" any zone they want. It doesn't mean anything.
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If we are to die, let us die like men. -- Patrick Cleburne
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The rule is that they must be loved. --Jayne Fynes-Clinton, Death of an Abandoned Dog
Nuking Galaxy City shouldn't be an option because of a population difference. It should be an option based on some kind of storyline scenario.
Arguing that it should be done is on par with arguing that Servers should be merged because some of them have lower populations. Thus far, that hasn't worked.
Now, when it comes to wrecking (or irrevocably altering) a zone, Atlas Park remains the chief choice simply because of its iconic nature in the face of storyline (so much official stuff is cycled through there) and the playerbase (as evidenced by screenshots provided by Warden de dios). If something were to happen to Atlas Park, I daresay it would tug more than a few heartstrings.
Galaxy City doesn't have as much happening in it, though, to cause much of a reaction. No costume contests, no market, no Architect. Galaxy City is almost as forgotten as Skyway City with all that occurs as far as player events and concern go.
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I'm not entirely sure how that makes any sense. All zones are in the same world, in the same time (Shadow Shard and Ouroborus aside). Things you do in one zone can and are reflected instantly in another (LGTF spawning a Rikti invasion, Numina's multi-zone hunt, etc). The Apex Task Force doesn't exist only for level 50s, it's simply gated to only Incarnates. Put another way... I could take my level 1 newb character through ALL of the zones, stand him beside Apex and request to take part in his TF (and get laughed at, of course)... It's happening "now," I'm just too weak to help out. The destruction is happening "now," the zones just haven't been changed to reflect that.
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Originally Posted by BrandX
Of course it doesn't stick. As it stands now, CoH's maps are tied to the level progression.
Those zones being destroyed aren't untill after you would normally be out of those zones, going to bigger threats. KR is destroyed in Apex...when you're level 50! KR is what you see when you are level 8ish, before you get to level 50 and then see it destroyed. What would the point be of seeing KR destroyed in Apex, if it was destroyed when you first saw it at lvl 8? |
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And if you'd read my post again, genius, you'd notice the reason WHY some of us like starting there. (See "Lack of AE spam," for starters.) |
Originally Posted by warden_de_dios
guess which whoall is from atlas and which one is from galaxy.
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Now, planning on dropping this or are you going to continue to pretend you have anything close to a point?
Galaxy City would be an obvious target for any zone-smashing antics, as it'd have the smallest impact on the rest of the game.
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Randomly, if Galaxy city is the one to get destroyed and rebuilt, I feel it needs a Googie aesthetic to its rebuilt buildings.
If it's Atlas that gets trashed and rebuilt, I think all of the Walls in Atlas Plaza need to be turned into Memorial walls similar to the ones used for the Vietnam Memorial it would have the wonderful function of giving the sense that countless people have given their lives in service to paragon, meta-human and normals alike, but in the end, everyone's suffered, everyone's fought, and everyone's made the ultimate sacrifice, and it could just be a matter of time before your name ends up there too.
Bonus points if the Devs actually put in the effort to have the walls be readable to give a REALLY sobering look at Paragon's history.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
City of Heroes is a game about freedom of expression and variety of experiences far more so than it is about representing any one theme, topic or genre.
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Not at all. Sounds like you're thinking it all from a RP perspective.|
Originally Posted by Genesis Man
I'm not entirely sure how that makes any sense. All zones are in the same world, in the same time (Shadow Shard and Ouroborus aside). Things you do in one zone can and are reflected instantly in another (LGTF spawning a Rikti invasion, Numina's multi-zone hunt, etc). The Apex Task Force doesn't exist only for level 50s, it's simply gated to only Incarnates. Put another way... I could take my level 1 newb character through ALL of the zones, stand him beside Apex and request to take part in his TF (and get laughed at, of course)... It's happening "now," I'm just too weak to help out. The destruction is happening "now," the zones just haven't been changed to reflect that.
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Now think of it as a newly created hero perspective without the RP involvement.
The way you're saying, KR is destroyed every day. How many people have ran Apex TF? It's a huge crater now it's been invaded so much.
Oh and that level 6 hero in KR, what's left to protect? It's a pile of rubble being rebuilt. For it to make since to go there, it would need entirely new story arcs and enemies, enemies it would likely have there now, which would look at the level 6 hero, smile and stomp them, as they're a level 54 invasion force.
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On Union? Quite a lot of peeps in Galaxy in the evenings. Reason being its an RP meet-spot.|
Originally Posted by warden_de_dios
Zone into Atlas and do a /whoall
Zone into Galaxy and do a /whoall Which zone is going to waste? |
So, no, that arguement is invalid.
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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I am amazed that there are still people who see this game in terms of red- and blue- sides.
There are no sides.
There haven't been for quite some time now.
There are only zones which are restricted to certain ATs at certain levels.
And even then you may use Oroborous to play any content you want.
Really guys. The 2006 Kool-Aid has gotten a little too old to be drinking any more.
Statesmonkey Sez: Lighten up! It's a game, for Lincoln's sake!
Also: Six years of casual play begins to look an awful lot like one year of hardcore play.
(B) I view CoX as one game so a new zone is a new zone and a revamp is a revamp. I don't need to keep score.