Yet another pointless (except for $$$) reboot
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Posted on: 2011-03-08 09:56 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
Making Movies is a huge financial gamble, especially if the basis for the film is completely unknown. It used to be that the studios could rely upon "star power" for a movie . . . if it had the right combination of stars, people would see it. But "star power" has been declining for a number of years, and been mostly replaced with familiar "properties." If there exists a core audience familiar with the underlying characters or premise, the Hollywood execs feel more comfortable dumping millions and millions of dollars into the film.
You can't really blame them. Several of the "new" concepts have done poorly at the box office. Most of the re-boots and sequels have a built-in audience with a greater chance to recover the investment, and generally make lots of money if the film is made fairly well. If new and innovative films made lots of money, I'm sure we would see more of them.
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I think my point with the sequels was missed, and that may have been entirely my fault. It's not the fact that it is a sequel and not a reboot, but the extreme lack of creativity and so relying on said sequals. I mean, I've seen 1.5 SAW movies (that was all I could stand), and they are practically reboots since it's the same premise over and over and over and over....just with different characters. There are what, 5 of these?
I'm not saying that all reboots are bad, I've not seen the True Grit reboot but I've heard it was good, all I'm saying is come on and show some originality. If the best that todays screen writers have to offer is something that has already been done then I'll be saving my money.
I'm surprised someone hasn't come up with a big friggin' chart showing how some of the most popular movies have just been rehashes of other ideas so folks would stop acting like Hollywood has only now been hit with a creativity vacuum.
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It will be interesting to see how well "Sucker Punch" does. Like "Inception," it is an original story for the screen. Of course, one big problem with new, original stories is advertising expense. The studios have to spend a lot of money trying to get the audience to understand what the film is about because there is no basis for a pre-conception. Most people want to get an idea if the movie is something they will enjoy.|
Originally Posted by Phewmite
I think my point with the sequels was missed, and that may have been entirely my fault. It's not the fact that it is a sequel and not a reboot, but the extreme lack of creativity and so relying on said sequals. I mean, I've seen 1.5 SAW movies (that was all I could stand), and they are practically reboots since it's the same premise over and over and over and over....just with different characters. There are what, 5 of these?
I'm not saying that all reboots are bad, I've not seen the True Grit reboot but I've heard it was good, all I'm saying is come on and show some originality. If the best that todays screen writers have to offer is something that has already been done then I'll be saving my money. |
On the other hand, if a film is a sequel, pre-quel or re-boot, the audience already has a pretty good idea of what the film is about. If you go to see the re-boot of Judge Dredd, you have a pretty good idea of the kind of movie you are going to get. It probably won't be a "chick-flick."
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You have to take into account that actors and creative teams, not just intellectual properties, can have their own built-in audiences as well. After The Dark Knight, a lot of folks were probably sold on just seeing Nolan's name in the trailers. Snyder's got his fans too. They want people to be aware of it, sure, but they probably don't have to work as hard on selling people on it.
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Originally Posted by Local_Man
It will be interesting to see how well "Sucker Punch" does. Like "Inception," it is an original story for the screen. Of course, one big problem with new, original stories is advertising expense. The studios have to spend a lot of money trying to get the audience to understand what the film is about because there is no basis for a pre-conception. Most people want to get an idea if the movie is something they will enjoy.
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So when is the DUKE NUKEM movie going to get made?
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Hey, don't blame screenwriters! None of this is their fault in any way, shape or form. To put food on the table they write what they're hired to write. The ideas for these remakes comes from producers and studio heads. No writer is sitting out there saying, "Man, I know I could make it if only Hollywood would listen to me and read my reboot of Caddyshack!"|
Originally Posted by Phewmite
I think my point with the sequels was missed, and that may have been entirely my fault. It's not the fact that it is a sequel and not a reboot, but the extreme lack of creativity and so relying on said sequals. I mean, I've seen 1.5 SAW movies (that was all I could stand), and they are practically reboots since it's the same premise over and over and over and over....just with different characters. There are what, 5 of these?
I'm not saying that all reboots are bad, I've not seen the True Grit reboot but I've heard it was good, all I'm saying is come on and show some originality. If the best that todays screen writers have to offer is something that has already been done then I'll be saving my money. |
The problem is the audience. People keep going to see these reboots. I know almost everyone on this forum will see the new Spider-man, verifying that the studio's desire to remake it was a good one. Clash of the Titans was crap, yet it made over 150 million bucks. Karate Kid was lame, but it did similar business. Stop going to remakes and they'll stop remaking movies.
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Originally Posted by Ironik
...No writer is sitting out there saying, "Man, I know I could make it if only Hollywood would listen to me and read my reboot of Caddyshack!"
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HAHA! While *true, that made me laugh enough to make me want to post it.
* Unfortunately there are some out there like this, but we can't really call them "writers" now can we?
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Originally Posted by CaptainFoamerang
You have to take into account that actors and creative teams, not just intellectual properties, can have their own built-in audiences as well. After The Dark Knight, a lot of folks were probably sold on just seeing Nolan's name in the trailers. Snyder's got his fans too. They want people to be aware of it, sure, but they probably don't have to work as hard on selling people on it.
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Originally Posted by Nericus
So when is the DUKE NUKEM movie going to get made?
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It will come out when Duke Nukem Forever hits the stores...
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Originally Posted by Nericus
So when is the DUKE NUKEM movie going to get made?
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Which actually is slated for this year and can be pre purchased.
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Originally Posted by Phewmite
It will come out when Duke Nukem Forever hits the stores...
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I'm actually REALLY interested in the new game. It's also a bit of a reboot, following a younger Lara who's been stranded on a strange island. It sounds like the focus will be more on survival than straight up battles, with a less experienced character who's a little more "realistic".|
Originally Posted by LegionAlpha
So putting Lara through hell and looking as tho she took the Kratos school of trials is what fans want?
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More John McClane, less Arnold.
The movie reboot; eh, I'll have to see a trailer. I hated the first movie and never saw the second, so I'd actually be more receptive of a new Tomb Raider. I like the idea of a more actiony National Treasure angle to it.
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Originally Posted by Phewmite
If the best that todays screen writers have to offer is something that has already been done then I'll be saving my money.
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In terms of the Tomb Raider movie, is there really a story for them to rehash?
I mean, I doubt they're going to use the storyline from the first movie, and the game's story wasn't really strong enough for a movie. Is the fact that the character has the same name and (maybe) history enough to decry is as 'unoriginal'?
Is an original story concept with an established character not good enough?
I'm actually asking, cause I too automatically sorta viewed it as a rehash; but then it occured to me to ask 'why'. If the only connection is that the main character is a millionaire adventurer named Lara Croft who hunts for historical treasures; can it really be labled as an unoriginal rehash of the previous movies?
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Originally Posted by Chaos Creator
Hmm agreed. If I wanted a new Lara Croft it'd be a porn flick. Speaking of.. are there any Lara Croft parodies?
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Aww C'mon, not one "Womb Raider" Joke? These boards are slipping.
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Actually, they should have aimed to make it more like Raiders of the Lost Ark.|
Originally Posted by CaptainFoamerang
If they had just made Tomb Raider a little more like National Treasure, except with more gun battles and T&A, it would have been golden from the start.
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1) Jolie was a perfect fit for the role. She had the look and the physical ability to do the stunts. And she can actually act.
2) National Treasure sucked. So did its sequel. It was a dumbed down version of "The Da Vinci Code," which was already pretty stupid to begin with.
They spent all that money on special effects and big sets and stunts for the Tomb Raider movies, and forgot to come up with a competent script. Sad, really.
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The recent "True Grit" was also an adaptation of the novel, and not an adaptation of a previous movie. There is a difference between those two things.|
Originally Posted by Warp_Factor
Same with the SAW movies, unless there's a reboot planned that I haven't heard of. And by all accounts the True Grit remake is freakin' brilliant, so it makes a pretty poor example of a reboot that shouldn't have been done.
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Additionallly, the new version is indeed brilliant.
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Agreed, it is a brilliant movie. My favorite line (SPOILERS AHOY!!):|
Originally Posted by Defenestrator
The recent "True Grit" was also an adaptation of the novel, and not an adaptation of a previous movie. There is a difference between those two things.
Additionallly, the new version is indeed brilliant. |
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Except Raiders of the Lost Ark sucked. >.>
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Originally Posted by Defenestrator
Actually, they should have aimed to make it more like Raiders of the Lost Ark.
1) Jolie was a perfect fit for the role. She had the look and the physical ability to do the stunts. And she can actually act. 2) National Treasure sucked. So did its sequel. It was a dumbed down version of "The Da Vinci Code," which was already pretty stupid to begin with. They spent all that money on special effects and big sets and stunts for the Tomb Raider movies, and forgot to come up with a competent script. Sad, really. |
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From reading your recent posts regarding movies, I'm thinking you're just doing this on purpose now |
Originally Posted by CaptainFoamerang
Except Raiders of the Lost Ark sucked. >.>
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Though I did agree about one of them, then you just totally went nuts. So I know I'm right.
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I think it was the fact that I was spoiled by seeing Last Crusade before Raiders, but I stand by my opinion.
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Originally Posted by VoodooCompany
From reading your recent posts regarding movies, I'm thinking you're just doing this on purpose now
Though I did agree about one of them, then you just totally went nuts. So I know I'm right. |
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Says the person who liked "National Treasure."
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Originally Posted by CaptainFoamerang
Except Raiders of the Lost Ark sucked. >.>
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"Spoiled" would not be the word I'd use. I feel sorry for today's youth that perversions of nature such as this can take place. I frankly can't even imagine a world where I would have seen Last Crusade before Raiders.|
Originally Posted by CaptainFoamerang
I think it was the fact that I was spoiled by seeing Last Crusade before Raiders, but I stand by my opinion.
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Next you'll be telling us blasphemies like you liked the Star Wars prequel trilogy better than the original trilogy because that's the one you saw first.
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Probably a world where I'm younger than you and therefore saw Last Crusade closer to its release date than Raiders. |
Originally Posted by Lothic
"Spoiled" would not be the word I'd use. I feel sorry for today's youth that perversions of nature such as this can take place. I frankly can't even imagine a world where I would have seen Last Crusade before Raiders.
Next you'll be telling us blasphemies like you liked the Star Wars prequel trilogy better than the original trilogy because that's the one you saw first. |
And by spoiled I mean by the fact that they were able to throw in some characterization and better action in Last Crusade, so it had to do more with seeing a better quality film than seeing just any film first.
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My problem is that the original Tomb Raider (which sucked, but that's not the point here) was released only 10 years ago. Hell, they're rebooting Spider-Man, and it was released in 2002.
Looking at the top 20 box office films in 2010, There are only five which were written expressly for the screen. Yet I consider last year to be the best year in cinema so far this century. 1939 is considered by many to be the greatest year in movie history, yet of the top-grossing films that year there are only three written-for-the-screen entries. The rest are either based on books or plays.
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