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I didn't believe it either but you can |
Originally Posted by Pyro_Master_NA
And show me a SR build with NO inventions pre level 40 at the softcap solo.
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Here is a quick build, not really done it just as softcap defense with only SO
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That actually helps the point I was going to make. That build (if it's even that; that short selection of powers) will only gain .4 end per second with stamina 3 slotted on SOs. And it would not much of any offensive potential if it were to maintain that defense.
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Originally Posted by BrokenPrey
I didn't believe it either but you can
Here is a quick build, not really done it just as softcap defense with only SO Code:
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Yeah I wouldn't play it at all, for one you need to be in Hover |
Originally Posted by Pyro_Master_NA
That actually helps the point I was going to make. That build (if it's even that; that short selection of powers) will only gain .4 end per second with stamina 3 slotted on SOs. And it would not much of any offensive potential if it were to maintain that defense.
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So if I use a spines/invuln with SOs only x8 on the demon farm, thats good for you?
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Originally Posted by EvilRyu
Basically I am going to say this. If you can show me pics and videos of invul scrappers surviving end game stuff thats non-smashing lethal attacks set for 8 people while using just SO's without unstoppable going then and only then I will admit I am wrong.
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If you wanna be in the backseat and likes to watch things happen in front of you, go WP... If you wanna be in the shotgun and likes to be a little closer to the action, go Invul... But if you like being the driver and in control of things, then go REGEN!!!
Yeah that's bad and probably don't help much but oh well.... 
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Ryu, let's look at some numbers. Let's say you have one power and it's six-slotted with Crushing Impact.|
Originally Posted by EvilRyu
And if you do something like positron what then? As said thats my style and how I do things, I do not like to use lower level IO sets I did not say generic IOs because I prefer getting as close to the max number as possible. I dont care much about keeping set bonuses when exemplared but I do care about enhancement percentages if I am going well below 20.
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You're level 50. Your IOs are level 50.
75.9A, 101.47D, 68.9E, 73.9R
You're level 50. Your IOs are level 33.
65.34A, 98.17D, 58.34E, 63.34R
Now the WTF is Numina.
You're level 50, exemped to 40. Your IOs are level 50.
68.9A, 101.47D, 68.9E, 68.9R
You're level 50, exemped to 40. Your IOs are level 33.
65.34A, 98.17D, 58.34E, 63.34R (+ ALL OTHER SET BONUSES)
This week's WTF is Citadel.
Exemped to 30, 50 IOs.
64.42A, 100.07D, 64.42E, 64.42R
Exemped to 30, 33 IOs.
63.88A, 97.52D, 56.88E, 61.88R (+ ALL OTHER SET BONUSES)
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So, what's it all mean? It means that whenever you exemplar you're better off with lower-level IOs, thanks to set bonuses. The thing you have to balance is how far down you want to keep them versus your power level at 50. However, the difference at 50 isn't all that large, and especially so with enhancements that face ED. 33s are often WAY cheaper, too.
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I never do that ever. Its just not worth giving up huge percentages of enhancement besides you dont have enough slots at 30 to do this and be any where near as effective. Small edit: The lowest I go on lvl of the enhancement is lvl 49 unless its one of those procs that need to be at a lower level in the event that I do exemplar. The main reason I go for higher enhancements is that if I do exemplar then your enhancements get gutted it will not be as bad as if you used lower enhancements. |
As for "well below 20" stuff, if you feel you need the difference between 33s and 50s for that, then all the purples in the world won't help you.
's doesn't make things plural.
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My DM/SR Scrapper disagrees. Highest level set is 33 and he has one of the best DM pylon times(not counting /SD for obvious reasons).|
Originally Posted by EvilRyu
I never do that ever. Its just not worth giving up huge percentages of enhancement besides you dont have enough slots at 30 to do this and be any where near as effective.
Small edit: The lowest I go on lvl of the enhancement is lvl 49 unless its one of those procs that need to be at a lower level in the event that I do exemplar. The main reason I go for higher enhancements is that if I do exemplar then your enhancements get gutted it will not be as bad as if you used lower enhancements. |
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Originally Posted by EvilRyu
And if you do something like positron what then?
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For me I just don't make a mountain out of a molehill. I choose to not have a leveling build. I choose to have only the maximum level for IOs. I do so and still kick butt when exemplaring down. Why? Because the lower level content is so easy.|
Originally Posted by Bonnes
The thing you have to balance is how far down you want to keep them versus your power level at 50.
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I'm perfectly fine with how EvilRyu likes to play the game, but when someone says "Invul is just lol period" and doesn't mean it in a lolawesome way, it makes me almost do a double-take.
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I'm fine with it too, but I take exception to the moon-logic behind it even more than I do with "Invul is just lol period". :P
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Originally Posted by bAss_ackwards
I'm perfectly fine with how EvilRyu likes to play the game, but when someone says "Invul is just lol period" and doesn't mean it in a lolawesome way, it makes me almost do a double-take.
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's doesn't make things plural.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5am82iGBxbc|
Originally Posted by EvilRyu
If you can show me pics and videos of invul scrappers surviving end game stuff thats non-smashing lethal attacks set for 8 people while using just SO's without unstoppable going then and only then I will admit I am wrong.
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Your move.
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Good show, I say!
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Originally Posted by Aliana Blue
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Thanks, Aliana. I figured it was pretty doable, but wasn't going to bother respec'ing my Invuln.
But I'm waiting for something like, "Not with Dark Melee. Dark Melee gives you a heal, so it's really not Invulnerability keeping you alive - it's Siphon Life. Invulnerability sucks, which is why you have to use Siphon Life." And then someone will do it with Broad Sword, and we'll get, "No, not with Broad Sword or Katana. Obviously that's Parry or Divine Avalanche covering your defensive holes because Invulnerability sucks." Really, anything with any synergy will probably be thrown out. So we might as well preemptively ask what, if any, the approved primaries are, and what powers we are and aren't allowed to use from our primary and pools. :P
(Maybe I'm just being negative boy this morning, but I really feel like this will be a case where the goal post would keep moving until it's impossible. And lo, we've "proven" that Invulnerability sucks because a level 25 Martial Arts/Invuln, built with only SOs, not using any attacks with stun, no temps or inspirations, no Aid Self allowed, and fighting Carnies on x8, keeps getting slaughtered.)
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Heh, my thoughts exactly, but I didn't want to say it because I wanted to see what would come up next, see that new challenge get done, and so on.
Nice video Aliana,
I have the feeling Werner, that you are correct in your thinking.
Why do I feel like something like this has become a weekly occurrence? Last week it was taunt auras, this week its invuln, and then there was Bunny...
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Originally Posted by Iggy_Kamakaze
Nice build
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By that logic SD is crap. IOs can't do much without a set to build upon.
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Originally Posted by EvilRyu
No because its the IOs that are making the set playable. If they can't do it with SO's then its not worth it.
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Well, the "next challenge" thing is why I didn't use inspirations (since I knew that'd probably create a complaint), and why I didn't touch the /dark Ancillary except for one misclick. At first I was leveraging the cone immobilize and knockbacks to make groups more manageable and reduce incoming fire, but then I thought I should re-do it without them to avoid the inevitable complaint.
EDIT: I should say that, if using inspirations, there'd be no need to wait between groups like I did. With a single purple or a couple of available greens I'd be jumping from group to group with careless abandon. A single purple skittle softcaps defense when surrounded completely. Ditto for blue candy and waiting for Dark Consumption.
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Kind of going on a tangent here, but DP works just fine as a self-heal. My MA/Inv has roughly 1820hp and DP heals for something like 1011hp, which is somewhere in the area of a 55-60% heal every couple minutes.|
Originally Posted by Auroxis
(Dull Pain is more of a +HP power)
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It's no Healing Flames, but then again I have soft-capped defenses and resistances to back them up.
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A self heal every couple minutes isn't a really powerful heal, I hope you realize that. Heck I wouldn't be surprised if the HP regenerated every two minutes you get from the Max HP boost surpasses the amount of healing you get from it every couple minutes.
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Originally Posted by Atomic_Woman
Kind of going on a tangent here, but DP works just fine as a self-heal. My MA/Inv has roughly 1820hp and DP heals for something like 1011hp, which is somewhere in the area of a 55-60% heal every couple minutes.
It's no Healing Flames, but then again I have soft-capped defenses and resistances to back them up. |
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It is when it's the only healing you need during those couple minutes. |
Originally Posted by Auroxis
A self heal every couple minutes isn't a really powerful heal, I hope you realize that. Heck I wouldn't be surprised if the HP regenerated every two minutes you get from the Max HP boost surpasses the amount of healing you get from it every couple minutes.
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Outside of DE (quartz emanators) and Carnies (end drain when killed) I have basically no problems soloing stuff at +0x8. It's all about the layered defenses. And I do it relatively slowly, since I'm a single-target build. It'd be even easier for a heavily-AOE primary I suspect.
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It sounds like he has a preference on what he likes to play and maybe a little bit of a grudge on what they've done to Invulnerability in the past.|
Originally Posted by Nihilii
Heh, my thoughts exactly, but I didn't want to say it because I wanted to see what would come up next, see that new challenge get done, and so on.
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I've done a Sara Moore TF on full tilt Scrapperlock on my MA/Inv and nearly went deathless. The final AV got two large hits on me and I was done in, my one single death on an, again, MA/Inv who's build is in the lower hundreds of millions rather the billions that my DM/Inv build is worth.
Forget about what it was like in the past, today's Invulnerability is pretty damn awesome in my book.
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I'm tempted to look into figuring out FRAPS or something and record myself doing a tip at 0x8. I wonder what group to use. Arachnos? Council would be a steamroll. Not DE, they're my kryptonite. Carnies would work, but be slow...
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Originally Posted by bAss_ackwards
Forget about what it was like in the past, today's Invulnerability is pretty damn awesome in my book.
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I skimmed thru the video you were mostly fighting the drones, they already do piddly damage. Try this against say arachnos or carnies and then we will talk. Rikti are hardly an end game challege. Essentially the main damage type needs to be high hard hitting energy/n.energy/cold/fire damage or even all psi. Rikti are lethal energy and weak energy if you look at the drones. Also pick a map thats not a cave.
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Originally Posted by Aliana Blue
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Also for melee characters that determines whether I can say the set is playbable or not. If the ride isnt smooth from 1-50, the set does not get played.
And show me a SR build with NO inventions pre level 40 at the softcap solo. For that matter, show me any set on a scrapper that can solo x8 on SOs pre 40.
Invuln troll, go away.