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I've been having trouble understanding what his position is on most topics since he started posting here.
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Originally Posted by Rylas
I don't think he's going to actually say what's got him so bunched up. Coming out and actually stating your position would be "dumbing it down." |
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I see you like to cherry pick, or did you just forget that 35 comes after 34 and before 36|
Originally Posted by Rylas
Notice that the doubled pricing you swore by doesn't seem to be showing up. Some of the higher levels ones we're all sold within the same day, while the lower level ones date back by a couple of weeks in some places. While some people may be willing to spend 10 million, many don't. And if the 2-5 million you quoted from 3 years ago is even accurate, then this shows nothing close to hyperinflation.
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Golf clap. What a nice way to try and distance yourself.|
Originally Posted by Rylas
Man, you're still desperately clinging onto the TO/DO/SO defense that no one's tried to argue for the past 2 pages? While people shred apart your arguments everywhere else?
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But not quite as nice as this
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Originally Posted by Rylas
I don't think he's going to actually say what's got him so bunched up. Coming out and actually stating your position would be "dumbing it down." |
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If you say no one there is no way to take that but at face value.|
Originally Posted by Obitus
You were responding to me, and you criticized me specifically (and Nihili) by saying the following (and I quote):
"People are making more, and spending more for the things they buy and that isn't inflation for you or nihilii" |
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| Then why quibble with my post when my point was that inflation isn't a widespread problem? Why accuse me of having "wave[d] it away as being a problem" if you don't think it's a widespread problem? |
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| That is why I asked you to clarify, because frankly it remains unclear what your purpose or indeed your position really is. |
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| I have complete confidence in the inf. I have complete confidence that tomorrow it will be worth less than it was today, just as today it is worth less than it was yesterday. |
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Distance myself from what? I wasn't the one to bring up TO/DO/SO enhancements. I didn't defend them either.|
Originally Posted by Another_Fan
Golf clap. What a nice way to try and distance yourself.
But not quite as nice as this How bout you tell everyone why you felt so strongly about this you forgot the number 35 existed ? |
Sorry, I just randomly selected levels. I don't have a lot of the 40s either, but I doubt they're selling for 10 million. Never-the-less, you have only level 35 enhancements to back up your claim, when you clearly said before:
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Originally Posted by Another_Fan
Of course inflation is determined off the whole market.
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Face it, you're the one cherry picking at this point.
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Originally Posted by Another_Fan
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@Rylas
Kill 'em all. Let XP sort 'em out.
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Your day to buy a lottery ticket then. You just managed to randomly miss data points that contradict you, hit just the ones that support you and not bother to check on any of the other sets that were in that price range.|
Originally Posted by Rylas
Distance myself from what? I wasn't the one to bring up TO/DO/SO enhancements. I didn't defend them either.
Sorry, I just randomly selected levels. I don't have a lot of the 40s either, but I doubt they're selling for 10 million. Never-the-less, you have only level 35 enhancements to back up your claim, when you clearly said before: |
And btw you used to be able to buy all the level 30s for less than a mil.
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So, if I miss one level of enhancements, I'm cherry picking. If you miss all the other levels beside that one, it's only because.....?|
Originally Posted by Another_Fan
Your day to buy a lottery ticket then. You just managed to randomly miss data points that contradict you.
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Sorry, but you can't call me a cherry-picker without having been even worse at it.
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@Rylas
Kill 'em all. Let XP sort 'em out.
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But since everything you would spend that inf on is going up in price due to inflation, you haven't moved forward at all. Unless your goal is just to have bragging rights about how big your inf number is.|
Originally Posted by Another_Fan
While I have about 70 billion inf stored, I have over 200 billion in IOs stored. Every 1% rise in the overall price of things nets me 1.3 billion inf for doing nothing
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Big-time inflation is here, but it's not a serious deterrent to players getting what they want unless they refuse to adapt to it. The real problem is that inflation is forcing us to participate in certain content in order to keep pace, and if that content is not what you're interested in then you're more likely to complain about inflation.
Right now we're seeing very low prices on lots of top-tier salvage because everyone is running the WTF. When the WTF is a level 25-35 TF we should see a drop in the price of mid-tier salvage. We'll also see an increase in the number of mid-level recipes for the same reason. How much that will reduce their prices is left to be seen, but it should help lower the dearth of mid-level recipe.
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Originally Posted by Dersk
There are several crushing impacts sold for 10 to 20 million in the levels 30~33.
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Originally Posted by Rylas
So, if I miss one level of enhancements, I'm cherry picking. If you miss all the other levels beside that one, it's only because.....?
Sorry, but you can't call me a cherry-picker without having been even worse at it. |
Looks up one post
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Looks up one post
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| I think that's hardly an intelligent marker for inflation given the recent change in focus towards high level content. |
@Rylas
Kill 'em all. Let XP sort 'em out.
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LOL defense, anyone that has been buying stuff off the market doesn't need me to tell them they have been paying more.
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Originally Posted by Rylas
Dersk also mentioned:
So I'd be careful about hiding behind it for defense. |
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I don't see where did I say or even implied that except in the lunatic world you created for yourself when anyone who doesn't support you unconditionally is part of a common hivemind who not only disagrees with everything you say but apparently makes specific arguments completely unrelated to their actual objections.| People are making more, and spending more for the things they buy and that isn't inflation for you or nihilii |
It's especially ironic because I actually have different opinions on the market than most around these parts, yet in your eyes I'm one of Them. Let's face it, you post a lot and most of these posts are wrong ; pretty much anyone is bound to disagree with you at least once, regardless of their own opinions.
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Seriously, who here do you think is of the opinion there is no inflation?
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Originally Posted by Another_Fan
LOL defense, anyone that has been buying stuff off the market doesn't need me to tell them they have been paying more.
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@Rylas
Kill 'em all. Let XP sort 'em out.
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You managed to take one heck of a lot away from |
Originally Posted by Nihilii
I don't see where did I say or even implied that except in the lunatic world you created for yourself when anyone who doesn't support you unconditionally is part of a common hivemind who not only disagrees with everything you say but apparently makes specific arguments completely unrelated to their actual objections.
It's especially ironic because I actually have different opinions on the market than most around these parts, yet in your eyes I'm one of Them. |
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So let me get this straight. People are making more, and spending more for the things they buy and that isn't inflation for you or nihilii |
3 or more ?
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Originally Posted by Rylas
Seriously, who here do you think is of the opinion there is no inflation?
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I know you said you got this the first time but you seem to have missed it again.
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Quote: Originally Posted by Rylas  So, inflation should only be determined off of the prices of very rare items? Not the market as a whole? I'm not even anywhere near "expert knowledge" of the inner workings of the market, but really, if I can make it work for me, anyone can make it work. If you're hung up on the prices of purples and PVP IOs, then go out and farm for them through the methods available. It's really not that hard. Or, do you simply prefer the dig-your-heels-in-the-ground-and-pout method? Just to clarify the conversation seeing as it looks like you missed it. Quote: First of all, there are clear cut segments where there isn't (and can't be) *any* inflation at all, nevermind hyperinflation. These include the obvious TO/DO/SOs, tier 1 inspirations, and even common IO recipes. Zero inflation at all. Quote: Originally Posted by Aura_Familia Purple set are MEANT to be rare. Basing whether their is or isn't hyperinflation based on their prices (and RMT for christ's sake) is a seriously flawed argument. Quote: Originally Posted by Another Fan No worse than basing arguments on the price of undesired items that are available in infinite quantity. Of course inflation is determined off the whole market. Origin enhancements, common, uncommon, rare, ultrarare are all part of it, excluding any of it gives a very biased view. This is especially true with the argument Four Speed is trying to push. Because seeing as you can now buy off level enhancements with tickets, he isn't even correct about the price of those being static. |
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"Them" is the gender non-specific plural of "he" or "she".|
Originally Posted by Another_Fan
I never knew 2 people constituted a them.
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"Plural" means "more than one".
"2 people" is more than one.
Therefore, "2 people" is indeed a "Them".
Also, if you read my posts in the thread you linked WAY back, those Crushing Impacts you were holding up as an example were selling for 3.1 million. By the dozen. People were choosing to pay more than that, when it wasn't even remotely close to necessary.
@Roderick
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First: You "magically" missed every CI that didn't support you were saying as well. It's ok for you to do, but not others? Especially when the ones I listed greatly outnumber yours?|
Originally Posted by Another_Fan
Hey you magically managed to miss every price on crushing impacts that didn't support what you were saying, maybe you believe that arguing there isn't inflation because fixed price commodities didn't inflate is valid as well
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Second: How more plainly can we say that we all know there is inflation. Just not the hyperinflation you and the OP are stuck on?
@Rylas
Kill 'em all. Let XP sort 'em out.
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So let me get this straight. People are making more, and spending more for the things they buy and that isn't inflation for you or nihilii |
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Your screenshot would prove everything you said in this topic was wrong if the last 5 sales on such a high volume item at any given point meant anything ; thankfully for you it doesn't, so you just look merely misguided. That said, with 30 bidding and 564 for sale, we can see there's a vast stack of CIs that just doesn't sell, which implies prices were higher before, or that even the current lowest price (which is at most 5M) is over what it's really worth. I buy all my CIs as recipes for 100k so as far as I'm concerned, everyone in this topic is coconuts. |
I have some rare salvage prices from 2007... [I pulled the commons out of this list]
Wentworths, 9/12/07:
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Black Market:RLT Alien Blood Sample 20,000 RMA Black Blood of the Earth 144,000 RLT Complex Chemical Formula 20,000 RMA Deific Weapon 2,900,000 RHA Diamond 62,000 RMA Empowered Sigil 1,840,000 RMA Enchanted Impervium 1,890,000 RLT Enriched Plutonium 17,000 RHA Essence of the Furies 1,200,000 RHA Hamidon Goo 1,680,000 RLT Heads Up Display 26,000 RMT Holographic Memory 22,000 RMT Impervium 32,000 RLA Lament Box 47,000 RHA Magical Conspiracy 1,250,000 RMT Military Cybernetics 54,000 RMA Mu Vestment 990,000 RMT Mutating Genome 14,000 RLA Page from the MAlleus Mundi 22,000 RHA Pangean Soil 3,100,000 RHT Positronic Matrix 4,200 RHT Photonic Weapon 32,000 RLT Plasma Capacitor 20,000 RHA Prophecy 3,400,000 RLA Psionic Manifestation 16,000 RLA Psionically Charged Brass 22,000 RMT Reactive Gas 14,000 RMA Soul Trapped Gem 1,360,000 RLT Source Code 20,000 RLA Strand of Fate 66,000 RLA Sybmiotic Armor 40,000
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RMA Black Blood of the Earth 100,000 RMT Conspiratorial Evidence 30,000 RHA Deific Weapon 980,000 RHA Diamond 19,000 RMA Empowered Sigil 500,000 RMA Enchanted Impervium 456,000 RHA Essence of the Furies 1,940,000 RHA Hamidon Goo 1,560,000 RHT Holographics Memory 10,000 RMT Impervium 37,000 CLA Luck Charm 10,000 RHA Magical Conspiracy 965,000 RMT Military Cybernetic 22,000 RMA Mu Vestment 302,000 RHA Pangean Soil 2,740,000 RHA Prophecy 2,740,000 RMT Reactive Gas 12,600 RHT Rikti Alloy 10,200 RMA Soul Trapped Gem 695,000 RHT Synthetic Intelligence Unit 14,000
It's hard to tell at this point whether we've still got 2XP hangover, or whether prices are up permanently, or what. But techs seem to have gone up about two million and arcanes have gone up around one million.
Now there have been changes causing these prices- Council and DE were dropping tech-only at that point, there were no low level temp powers to use up low level rares, there were no purples, etc etc- but if I look at it from a very high level it looks like, not a multiplication, but an addition. Throw another million at it.
(I find the "100% in three years" measurement a little odd, considering that sunrise to sunrise in Paragon City takes about an hour. Internet time is not realtime.)
EDIT: I found another data point from May '07:
"If something says it needs "Pangaean Soil", at the moment you have to be a 3-millionaire to get it. " Huh, four-year-old typo.
Mini-guides: Force Field Defenders, Blasters, Market Self-Defense, Frankenslotting.
So you think you're a hero, huh.
@Boltcutter in game.
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Impossible! A_F clearly has proven that hyperinflation is taking place. That would mean Pangeans have to sell for 6-9 million now! Clearly, your findings are fabricated.|
Originally Posted by Fulmens
EDIT: I found another data point from May '07:
"If something says it needs "Pangaean Soil", at the moment you have to be a 3-millionaire to get it. " Huh, four-year-old typo. |
/sarcasm
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| (I find the "100% in three years" measurement a little odd, considering that sunrise to sunrise in Paragon City takes about an hour. Internet time is not realtime.) |
@Rylas
Kill 'em all. Let XP sort 'em out.
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Originally Posted by Rylas
Impossible! A_F clearly has proven that hyperinflation is taking place. That would mean Pangeans have to sell for 6-9 million now! Clearly, your findings are fabricated.
/sarcasm |
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Originally Posted by Rylas
First: You "magically" missed every CI that didn't support you were saying as well. It's ok for you to do, but not others? Especially when the ones I listed greatly outnumber yours?
Second: How more plainly can we say that we all know there is inflation. Just not the hyperinflation you and the OP are stuck on? |
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Average price rare salvage 2007 = 700000 Average price rare salvage 2011 = 2000000 +
You still have that magic ability to miss everything that doesn't support your position
Diamonds 62 k then 3.6 mil now
Holographic memory 22k then, 3.2 mil now
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Do you have numbers to support these? IE, have you added up all of Fulmens list below, and the corresponding salvage on the market now?
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Originally Posted by Another_Fan
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Average price rare salvage 2007 = 700000 Average price rare salvage 2011 = 2000000 + |
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Originally Posted by Diggis
Do you have numbers to support these? IE, have you added up all of Fulmens list below, and the corresponding salvage on the market now?
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Yes, but you hardly need my numbers
Cut and paste fullmens hero list into a text file
Save
Load into excel as a fixed width format
You now have all your rows and columns set up.
Pull up the market interface with the /auctionhouse command and fill in the column for now at your leisure.
@Rylas
Kill 'em all. Let XP sort 'em out.