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You are hurting. That's too bad.
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Originally Posted by Rylas
I know you'd prefer to forget all the things I said that you couldn't really make reasonable arguments against. Just like what you've been doing with everyone else since I left the discussion.
Seriously folks, don't bother pointing out the inanity of anything A_F spouts. He'll just waste your time with straw man arguments, absurd assertions, derailing distractions and then character insults. Best to let him think he actually convinced anyone he knows what he's talking about and move on. |
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No it isn't. Read the parts you quoted in red. |
Originally Posted by Another_Fan
Contained within the assertion that market demand had not doubled from dual builds is the assertion that dual builds did not significantly contribute to demand. This is every bit as much a nonsense statement as the doubled demand.
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No assertion is made that dual builds had no significant impact - only "I have a hard time believing..." that they had a significant impact. That is not assertion, it is doubt.
The second red paragraph contains only rejection of the "doubling" assertion as absurd.
@Quasadu
"We must prepare for DOOM and hope for FREEM." - SirFrederick
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Sorry there is considerably more in there |
Originally Posted by Quasadu
No it isn't. Read the parts you quoted in red.
No assertion is made that dual builds had no significant impact - only "I have a hard time believing..." that they had a significant impact. That is not assertion, it is doubt. The second red paragraph contains only rejection of the "doubling" assertion as absurd. |
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| Yet, there's been discussion around here about every other game development that's had a significant impact on the market, yah? And a sudden 'doubling of demand' would've been a pretty frickin' significant and blatantly apparent development, right? So... why was this alleged phenomenon treated any differently? If 'demand doubled with the advent of two builds' why didn't discussions about it appear? |
And he also quantifies the degree
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| Do you know of even a single player who uses all available builds on every single character they play? Because that's what's implicit in the assertion: that we're all doing that. I don't. Do you? |
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Once again there is nothing in what you just said that contradicts anything I have said.
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Originally Posted by Another_Fan
Sorry there is considerably more in there
such as And he also quantifies the degree There is no way read the two posts as not saying that for demand to have doubled everyone would have had to use two builds on every character and been filling them all up. |
@Quasadu
"We must prepare for DOOM and hope for FREEM." - SirFrederick
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I must have misunderstood you then. |
Originally Posted by Quasadu
Once again there is nothing in what you just said that contradicts anything I have said.
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I was under the impression you were saying that rejecting the doubling claim out of hand based on false premises was justified.
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Then you did misunderstand me. This is what I am saying: |
Originally Posted by Another_Fan
I must have misunderstood you then.
I was under the impression you were saying that rejecting the doubling claim out of hand based on false premises was justified. |
Rejecting the doubling claim out of hand is justified, because it is based on false premises.
@Quasadu
"We must prepare for DOOM and hope for FREEM." - SirFrederick
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Originally Posted by Quasadu
Then you did misunderstand me. This is what I am saying:
Rejecting the doubling claim out of hand is justified, because it is based on false premises. |
That's fine, with one caveat I don't believe the person who made the claim ever laid out his premises or reasoning.
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Which just makes it even easier to dismiss.
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Originally Posted by Another_Fan
That's fine, with one caveat I don't believe the person who made the claim ever laid out his premises or reasoning.
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@Quasadu
"We must prepare for DOOM and hope for FREEM." - SirFrederick
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Which just makes it even easier to dismiss.
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Not everyone enjoys splitting hairs, especially if they know a conversation like the one we just had is coming.
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It's so refreshing! You should try it.
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Originally Posted by Another_Fan
This message is hidden because Another_Fan is on your ignore list.
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Mini-guides: Force Field Defenders, Blasters, Market Self-Defense, Frankenslotting.
So you think you're a hero, huh.
@Boltcutter in game.
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It's so refreshing! You should try it.
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Just how many people are willing to maintain a discussion when the "Regulars" consider this their trump card ?
It was hilarious enough when Fullmen's tried appeal to majority when at the time his "Everyone" didn't have a plausible argument between them. This goes the next step.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation
upon review and ignoring the mini-off topic arguments in this thread I can now firmly say that we have inflation
well it may not be hyper inflation. And even though things that sell to vendors such as insp, sos, and salvage may be set in price
there is massive inflation in some areas purples and pvp ios are the obvious.
Yes there are many new ways to make some great recipies: lotg7.5s,miracles,numinas etc...
and even though they are being printed very fast their prices are way higher than a year ago.
Why we have this situation and whats more expensive and whats not and why are not really clear and NO one has the data.
But I stand by my claim in and as the OP and the thesis of this thread.
100 billion now is almost as much as 2 or 3 billion a year or two ago. And well thats hyper enough for me.
We can argue about multi builds, H/V merits, merits, the increase in the earning rate of 50s, farming at +2,3/8 etc... ad infinitum.
I purpled out a blaster when they came out for about 2 billion. That will get you one power now. And i feel thats the definiton of hyper.
In regards to the other recipies and makeing a good one for cheap well thats possible i guess if you have lots of immobs and confuse
but a ranged melle build will cost you dearly and that was where i was coming from.
If anyone can suggest i am incorrect id like to know. If anyone has suggestions to cheapin this id like to know.
Im just happy that all my main toons are pimped and the ones i dont want to do i wont anyways so it wont matter.
But please let me know if you think that the total cost for an energy energy blaster with 4 purple sets and 5 pvp ios sets can be made for lest than 2-3 billion
I suspect after looking at the market for a while this week it is in the 40 bilion range and that includes a panacea, a resist , defense, ranged dmg, targeted aoe and a mele set.
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I'd be happy to offer build suggestions if you'd narrow down your build goals. You really don't need to have an unusual collection of powers to get 80+% performance out of a non-purpled build. Meleers do have a harder time stacking recharge without purples (because so many of their powers share sets with the same 5% bonus), but it's not a huge impediment.
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Originally Posted by graystar_blaster
I purpled out a blaster when they came out for about 2 billion. That will get you one power now. And i feel thats the definiton of hyper.
In regards to the other recipies and makeing a good one for cheap well thats possible i guess if you have lots of immobs and confuse but a ranged melle build will cost you dearly and that was where i was coming from. |
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Nice build
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I am not sure if you missed my point. Im not looking for a build and i have doubt you could proved one.|
Originally Posted by Obitus
I'd be happy to offer build suggestions if you'd narrow down your build goals. You really don't need to have an unusual collection of powers to get 80+% performance out of a non-purpled build. Meleers do have a harder time stacking recharge without purples (because so many of their powers share sets with the same 5% bonus), but it's not a huge impediment.
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I was saying that if you wanted to make a pimped out purple pvp io built blaster, scrapper, etc... then thats where the hyper is at. If you just want to build a decent toon which most of mine are then its not unreasonably expensive( which which i agree).
However its the hyper(expense)of pvp ios and purples, compounded with the massive shards needed to get a post 50 to where im trying to go on 2 more toons.
I am finding this a grind and with 30 50s. The need to farm, grind shards, come up with insane influ for one of these sets to take these 2 toons to the next lvl.
And while im at it i find that the lvl shifted (50+) brute i have and tank are now making my others obolete. the 50+ blaster i have makes my others obsolete. The lvl 50+ buff.debuffers. have made my non 50+s obsolete. And i dont think that i can get all my toons to the higher lvl incarnate lvls. Which will make them un playable.
Which i was not thinking of when i first was so excited about the new stuff. I will never get all my toons to the new hights and its a shame i had to say which toons to say goodbye too. In fact in my case i had to say good bye to an entire server because of the fact that freedom is so much more busy and now having a family i cannot any longer play on dead servers my time is too limited to hope for a tf.
but i digress
hyper yep thats what i think.
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Originally Posted by graystar_blaster
I am not sure if you missed my point. Im not looking for a build and i have doubt you could proved one.
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"In regards to the other recipies and makeing a good one for cheap well thats possible i guess if you have lots of immobs and confuse"
In retrospect, I guess what you meant to say there was that you needed a lot of confuses and immobilizes to slot the cheaper purple sets, but I took your meaning as, "I need lots of rare-ish powers to make a good build without breaking the bank." The former interpretation is true, as far as it goes. The second isn't true. Some builds are almost better off without purples.
My offer stands. One of the little tidbits in your previous post that perked my interest was all of the extra PvPIOs you were using. Those seem excessive, but I don't know what they are or what your goals with that build are.
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| I was saying that if you wanted to make a pimped out purple pvp io built blaster, scrapper, etc... then thats where the hyper is at. If you just want to build a decent toon which most of mine are then its not unreasonably expensive( which which i agree). |
As for the rest, the problem is that you're not supposed to be able to max out 30 characters. For good or ill, the game is giving us (more and more) long-term character-development paths, and by definition, long-term isn't short or easy. I sympathize with your desire to pimp out all of your alts, but we're all gonna have to start picking and choosing.
The info that's starting to come out from the Beta test is pretty darn sexy though
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Nice build
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No doubt that purples and pvp IOs have increased in price over the past year. And if the original poster's point was "purples and pvp IOs have experienced hyperinflation" then I might agree.|
Originally Posted by graystar_blaster
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation
upon review and ignoring the mini-off topic arguments in this thread I can now firmly say that we have inflation well it may not be hyper inflation. And even though things that sell to vendors such as insp, sos, and salvage may be set in price there is massive inflation in some areas purples and pvp ios are the obvious. |
However, prices for *most* items have dropped dramatically. Is this because the players left in this game want the ultimate very rare enhancements? Sure. I know I do.
Believe it or not, you can still play this game with common IOs or even *gasp* SOs. But if you want the best most incredible enhancements, you, and everyone else, are competing for a very rare set of supplies.
So I guess the point is not so much that overall prices are higher, but that prices on things that you want are higher.
Ooh, a sarcasm detector. Oh, that's a *real* useful invention. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolog...t-sarcasm.html
You can say that the unsupported statement is not enough, you can't dismiss the impact out of hand using specious arguments.