Bonded Courier Looking for Work


Adeon Hawkwood

 

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I'm trying to create a job where there isn't one again.

There have been people trying to figure out how they can do enormous trades safely.

Before gleemail, I moved billions of inf side to side, safely and reliably, and I have references.

So for any two-billion-plus transaction, I'm willing to make sure both sides get what's agreed to. There is a 100 million inf fee. Sounds like a lot, but it's less than 5% by definition. I'm undercutting Mr. Wentworth!

(If this goes well and doesn't take up too much of my time, I may deliver for 5% on transactions between 500 million and 2 billion. I can be lazy, though.)


Mini-guides: Force Field Defenders, Blasters, Market Self-Defense, Frankenslotting.

So you think you're a hero, huh.
@Boltcutter in game.

 

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I'll say up front I probably won't have need of your service, but I am curious: what kind of bond are you putting up besides your reputation?


De minimis non curat Lex Luthor.

 

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Originally Posted by Bosstone View Post
I'll say up front I probably won't have need of your service, but I am curious: what kind of bond are you putting up besides your reputation?
His word is his bond . More realistically this illustrates the general problem with the trade of virtual goods. In real life bonding* the practice relies on the fact that the entity providing the bond are themselves able to be held accountable in some manner (normally a legal contract that would be enforced by the courts if necessary). In this situation there is no entity that could bond Fulmens and itself be held accountable in the event that he forfeited his bond (ok, technically the devs could, but I doubt they will).

Although Fulmens' slightly whimsical thread title described himself as a bonded courier in effect he is really acting as an unlicensed Escrow agent.

*Is it bonding? It sounds like the verb form should be bonding.

EDIT: Just to clarify I have no doubt that Fulmens' would be perfectly honest when providing this service, I was just commenting on the fact that if he were dishonest there isn't really much people could do about it.


 

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Originally Posted by Bosstone View Post
I'll say up front I probably won't have need of your service, but I am curious: what kind of bond are you putting up besides your reputation?
Sometimes you don't need anything else. I've had players come up to me in game and ask me to help them move inf between one toon and another, before Gleemail. I asked them directly "Why are you asking me? What makes you think I won't take your money?" and they answered "You're a 50. You've got 48 month vet badge. I know you won't cheat me out of 20 million." Well, they were right about that.

I was around a few years back when Lotg7.5s cost about 75 million. Well this one guy on the forums overbid(extra 0) and bid 750 million. Which back then was colossal. Fulmen's donated some of his money, and organized a charity drive of sorts. They raised the 750 million, and then he traded it to the guy for the Lotg7.5 that he had bought. There was a screenshot of it actually. So that guy got his 750 million back.

But anyways, that's the kinda guy Fulmens is. So personally, I wouldn't have any trouble trusting him in a large transaction. He's got little to gain from stealing a billion or two really. Heck, he's destroying billions in the Crazy 88's SG to gain prestige. So obviously he can make billions and toss it away just as easily. Would you worry about asking Bill Gates to hold onto 10 bucks for a few minutes while you went to pick up your friend? :-D


 

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I'll also vouch for Fulmen's trustworthiness. I've done business with him on two separate occasions (as part of his prestige<-->inf. matching), and have never been let down.


 

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I'll add that I don't doubt Fulmens' reputation. I was just curious about whether there really was a bond in place and how it would work if so.


De minimis non curat Lex Luthor.

 

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Originally Posted by Bosstone View Post
I'll add that I don't doubt Fulmens' reputation. I was just curious about whether there really was a bond in place and how it would work if so.
I would be quite happy to serve as bondsman and back up Fulmens' business. I figure that Fulmens gives me all his PvP IOs to hold as collateral, and I'll charge a small holding fee of, say, 1.5%.


Ooh, a sarcasm detector. Oh, that's a *real* useful invention. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolog...t-sarcasm.html

 

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I was around a few years back when Lotg7.5s cost about 75 million. Well this one guy on the forums overbid(extra 0) and bid 750 million. Which back then was colossal. Fulmen's donated some of his money, and organized a charity drive of sorts. They raised the 750 million, and then he traded it to the guy for the Lotg7.5 that he had bought. There was a screenshot of it actually. So that guy got his 750 million back.
Are you sure that was me? (I have no doubt it happened, I may have contributed, but I'm pretty sure I didn't organize it.)


Mini-guides: Force Field Defenders, Blasters, Market Self-Defense, Frankenslotting.

So you think you're a hero, huh.
@Boltcutter in game.

 

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Originally Posted by Fulmens View Post
Are you sure that was me? (I have no doubt it happened, I may have contributed, but I'm pretty sure I didn't organize it.)
LOL I thought it was you. It was a few years ago(lotg 7.5s selling for 70-75 mill? lol) so I may be wrong. Way to ruin my endorsement...lol. :P


 

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Originally Posted by Bosstone View Post
I was just curious about whether there really was a bond in place and how it would work if so.
There is not. And, by the nature of the game, there can't be.


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Yeah. It's not really bonded, it's just... You can't possibly be trading enough money to seriously think Fulmens would be tempted to steal any of it.

I've done stuff like that in games. Since I'm pretty open about who I am, I have sort of default credibility.


 

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Honestly, I can't imagine anyone who posts here who would cheat someone. It may be old fashioned, but I beleive in honor and no matter what debates nayt arise, I have a hard time beleiving that anyone here would actually give up thier honor a few billion in what is essentially play money.

It may be a trusim that we have the ethics we can afford but we can afford some pretty freaking high standards.


 

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I believe that Fulmens is offering to cover the cheated party's transaction while seeking collection on the cheater. If that is the case I will offer for free to advertise the cheater's global on any public forum I have available to me so as to provide a atmosphere of moral suasion to avoid such behavior.


 

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I think I have done some transaction w/ fulmens before and all was well.
Iirc, I moved infamy to influence back when we needed someone to help with that


 

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Did the Devs ever explain why they hard-coded a 999,999,999 inf cap for trades??


 

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Enyalios: The idea is that I work like the trade window. If it's 3 billion inf for a Glad Armor 3%,for instance, one side mails me 3 billion, the other side mails me the Glad Armor, and then I forward it along. If one side doesn't mail me enough, I ask about it and then I return everything to the original owner.

NOTE: If you're thinking about doing this, mail me 1 inf first to make sure you have the correct global.


Mini-guides: Force Field Defenders, Blasters, Market Self-Defense, Frankenslotting.

So you think you're a hero, huh.
@Boltcutter in game.

 

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Originally Posted by Fulmens View Post
NOTE: If you're thinking about doing this, mail me 1 inf first to make sure you have the correct global.
Changes global to @fulmen....


 

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Originally Posted by Diggis View Post
Changes global to @fulmen....
considering his global is not @Fulmens I could see it happening easily.


 

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Originally Posted by Chaos Creator View Post
considering his global is not @Fulmens I could see it happening easily.
Changes global to @Fulmens....


 

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I'm sure a lot of us billionaires would back up Fulmens word being his bond.


 

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I am confident enough in Fulmens' reputation that I can say this:

If you can provide me proof that Fulmens has ripped you off, I will personally replace every lost Inf out of my own pocket.

In order to cover transactions of the magnitude we're discussing in this thread, I'd likely have to strip one of my characters to come up with that kind of money. I have no qualms making this promise, nor any fear of losing any of my builds.

This offer does not cover user error. If you email 10 billion Inf to the wrong person, it's not my problem, and I'm not covering it.


@Roderick

 

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Originally Posted by LygerZero View Post
I'm sure a lot of us billionaires would back up Fulmens word being his bond.
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Originally Posted by Roderick View Post
I am confident enough in Fulmens' reputation that I can say this:

If you can provide me proof that Fulmens has ripped you off, I will personally replace every lost Inf out of my own pocket.
Yeah let me jump on this bandwagon and say Ill insure Fulmens work. I can cover these kind of purchases without breaking a sweat and Fulmens has been doing something similar with his inf trading services, prestige matching offers, and merit buying with zero complaints for so long that this is easily the most lopsided wager Ive ever proposed. I wont lose a penny and am willing to bet billions on that

--Frog