Mender Ramiel - Soloable on a Generic Build?
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Posted on: 2011-02-07 12:33 in Player Questions
IME the only problem people thend to have is the fight with Trapdoor. And if you can splat his bifrucations quickly, Trapdoor shouldn't be exceptionally hard to beat. You may need inspirations if you have trouble with him, but there's nothing there that screams "problem! fix!"
http://www.fimfiction.net/story/36641/My-Little-Exalt
Progress so far (not counting the Talk To missions):
1st Mission: Easily stealthed
2nd Mission: Failed. Could not make a dent in Trapdoor and ended up running out of inspirations
And that is it for this arc for me for now. Guess it is time to go for extensive sets after all.
You had to stealth the first mission...? O.o
http://www.fimfiction.net/story/36641/My-Little-Exalt
That was a precautionary measure. I figured with all those AVs there, it would be best to sneak around instead of risk having to fight any of them.
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In that mission you get massive buffs that pretty much turn you into an unstoppable killing machine. The AVs in the mission pose no threat and can be easily killed.|
Originally Posted by Willowpaw
That was a precautionary measure. I figured with all those AVs there, it would be best to sneak around instead of risk having to fight any of them.
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EDIT: As for Trapdoor, stock up on purples and kill his bifurcations as soon as humanly possible. He'll spawn one every 30 seconds. I beat this mission on a Dual Pistols/Mental Blaster (without Drain Psyche even, pretty much used only the attacks in Dual Pistols) that had nothing but SOs, so you should have no problems with Archery.
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I solo'd trapdoor on many toons with just SOs, not even generic IOs. Take a couple purples/greens and a stash of Reds. Eat a ton of reds, and wail on Trapdoor till he dies. Drag him in the lava if you need too.
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I apparently could not hold enough inspirations to hold him off, and simply could not make a noticeable dent in his health.
And even if the inspiration technique would work, that is poor design. Shouldn't a hero be able to win by, say, using all those powers that the last 50 levels worth of adventuring were spent acquiring?
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Originally Posted by Willowpaw
Progress so far (not counting the Talk To missions):
1st Mission: Easily stealthed 2nd Mission: Failed. Could not make a dent in Trapdoor and ended up running out of inspirations And that is it for this arc for me for now. Guess it is time to go for extensive sets after all. |
About the 2nd - you did kill all his little clones, right? Otherwise his regen shoots up. With blaster damage you could probably damage him through one or two clones but you'd be better off just killing them.
What clones? As far as I could tell, it was just me and Trapdoor there. Didn't see anyone else.
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This is hardly the only encounter in the game that's difficult for some characters. The Patron arcs require you to defeat several EBs, including Lord Recluse. Blasters have it tougher than most in these fights. Inspirations exist to be used, and this fight is good time to use 'em. You can buy small inspirations from Mender Roebuck. When I fought Trapdoor on my SOs only Blaster I think I just had the tray filled with defense inspirations. I'd pop 4 before the fight to hit the softcap, then kill his first bifurcation, then attack Trapdoor for the 25 or so seconds until his next bifurcation. Rinse, repeat. He never managed his third bifurcation.
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Originally Posted by Willowpaw
I apparently could not hold enough inspirations to hold him off, and simply could not make a noticeable dent in his health.
And even if the inspiration technique would work, that is poor design. Shouldn't a hero be able to win by, say, using all those powers that the last 50 levels worth of adventuring were spent acquiring? |
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Originally Posted by Willowpaw
What clones? As far as I could tell, it was just me and Trapdoor there. Didn't see anyone else.
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As for Trapdoor, stock up on purples and kill his bifurcations as soon as humanly possible. He'll spawn one every 30 seconds.
You get a message every time he spawns one. They cannot always immediately be seen but they are there, somewhere in the room.
That's what a Bifurcation is? I thought that meant he was going to pull a Protean every time that notice came up. Didn't realize that meant he was duplicating himself.
Yeah, every 30-ish seconds after you start that fight, TD spawns a clone of himself somewhere in that room. Often on the complete other side of the room - there are designated spawn points that I'm not sure they can move from. As long as it is alive, TD gets a massive Regen boost. The thing that annoys me is that if you die and go to the hospital, he keeps spawning them while you're gone so there's a roomful of them when you get back. I had that happen a time or two.
Edit: Ah, took too long typing that up. Anyway, I think it's in the briefing and/or clues somewhere that he found a way to effectively clone himself with his powers. Would have to look up exactly where. Good news is that his clones are all Minion rank, not EB rank, so they're easy to splat if you see em.
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I just tried this again, using up a full tray of inspirations (mix of purples and reds) and still failed. I took down each clone as it was generated. But there just wasn't enough time between each cloning for me to deal enough damage to Trapdoor to make a difference.
Hi,
well I have also had mixed success on the Trapdoor mish on a number of different AT's. Some just blew him away and others just would not touch him.
I made the decision to run each alt once to see what it could do, and then for the ones that were going to struggle to either drop the mish or shout for help.
I have shouted for help a few times and fortunately got it from other players in the same situation that had a complimentary alt and together we rocked him. That was a more satisfactory ending than dropping and of course kept my drop option for the next "2x AV/EB defeat" mish.
Hope you get sorted soon and if you are on Virtue and I see your shout you will get help
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Originally Posted by Willowpaw
I apparently could not hold enough inspirations to hold him off, and simply could not make a noticeable dent in his health.
And even if the inspiration technique would work, that is poor design. Shouldn't a hero be able to win by, say, using all those powers that the last 50 levels worth of adventuring were spent acquiring? |
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You haven't met Blasters yet. We don't get powers that outdo our friends.....the purple inspirations. |
Originally Posted by Willowpaw
I apparently could not hold enough inspirations to hold him off, and simply could not make a noticeable dent in his health.
And even if the inspiration technique would work, that is poor design. Shouldn't a hero be able to win by, say, using all those powers that the last 50 levels worth of adventuring were spent acquiring? |
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I know this sounds like a silly question, but are you sure you got all the clones? I've had problems with Trapdoor when one of the clones spawned out of sight on the walkway under the platform, and I didn't realise.|
Originally Posted by Willowpaw
I just tried this again, using up a full tray of inspirations (mix of purples and reds) and still failed. I took down each clone as it was generated. But there just wasn't enough time between each cloning for me to deal enough damage to Trapdoor to make a difference.
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Also, I see you've got a couple of holds. On my blaster, I spammed Char as often as it was up until I got him held. Unless they've changed it since I ran it, that seemed to stop him bifurcating.
Also, also, the Envenomed Dagger temp power is really nice for slowing down his regen.
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Originally Posted by jacktar
That was a more satisfactory ending than dropping and of course kept my drop option for the next "2x AV/EB defeat" mish.
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It could be problematic even if the game is balanced around SOs. EBs were never meant to be soloed so if you can't solo one, it's WAI.|
Originally Posted by Willowpaw
I'm about to attempt Mender Ramiel's Incarnate arc on my Archery/Ice Blaster. At the moment, she is using mostly generic IOs with very minimal set bonuses here and there.
If the game is still balanced around SOs, this should be no problem, right? |
I haven't tried the arc with a purely SO'd/generic IO'd character because none of my characters end up at 50 like that, but even without maximum IO builds it seems quite easy. Inspirations could easily pass for the IO bonuses because the fight has never taken me longer than two or three minutes.
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I found that a way to deal with Trapdoor solo is to drop a pet of some type (Shivan, SnowBeast, War Wolf etc). This way, you can run and deal with the clone while he's occupied with the pet.
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Put mission to -1/1 and get any pet. Done the arc recently on two alts both SO's with some regular IO's - no sets. Trapdoor is harder then before but still doable without sets.
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I'm about to attempt Mender Ramiel's Incarnate arc on my Archery/Ice Blaster. At the moment, she is using mostly generic IOs with very minimal set bonuses here and there.
If the game is still balanced around SOs, this should be no problem, right?
Here is her current build, which will remain this way until I get around to respeccing her for inherent fitness and to recover those extra 2 slots from Flight:
01 => Chilblain ==> ACC / Rooting Grasp(x5)
01 => Snap Shot ==> TStrike: A/D / A/D/R Dev: A/D A/D/R Chance to Hold
02 => Aimed Shot ==> TStrike: A/D / A/D/R Dev: A/D A/D/R Chance to Hold
04 => Fistful of Arrows ==> ACC(x2) / DMG(x3) / RNG
06 => Blazing Arrow ==> ACC(x2) / DMG(x3) / Apoc: R/A
08 => Swift ==> FLY
10 => Aim ==> RCH(x3)
12 => Hover ==> Karma -KB
14 => Fly ==> FLY(x3)
16 => BuildUp ==> RCH(x3)
18 => Health ==> HEAL
20 => Stamina ==> END-M(x3)
22 => Ice Patch ==> RCH(x3)
24 => Hasten ==> RCH(x3)
26 => Combat Jumping ==> WG: Slow Resist
28 => Ranged Shot ==> ACC(x2) / DMG(x3) / RNG
30 => Chilling Embrace ==> END-R
32 => Rain of Arrows ==> ACC(x2) / DMG(x3) / RCH
35 => Freezing Touch ==> ACC / HLD / Neuronic Shutdown(x4)
38 => Stunning Shot ==> ACC(x2) / ENR / RCH
41 => Shocking Bolt ==> ACC(x2) / HLD(x3) / RNG
44 => Charged Armor ==> RES(x3) / ENR(x2)
47 => EM Pulse ==> ACC(x2) / RCH
49 => Explosive Arrow ==> Detonation: A/D / Air Burst : A/D / Posi Blast: A/D / D/RCH
So, is this build viable for this upcoming arc or will I need to come up with a whole new plan based around extensive set bonuses in order to have any hope of getting through this solo?