Concealment Pools needs some love

With so few power pools, concealment does offer benefits not found in other pools regardless.

1) 3 defense powers. If we're going to talk about IOs, 3 slots to throw LotG recharge IO on is worth it for non-defense builds. If we're not going to talk about IOs, there isn't any issues with stealth IO.
2) Invisibility: Single toggle for stealth as opposed to two.
3) Grant invis: Stealth for others.
4) Early stealth power (granted I don't take it, since Invisibility is better in most respects other than the tiny bonus to in-combat defense)
5) Minimal slotting required. You don't need slotting to make good use of all four powers (though stealth can admittedly be made marginally better)

Stealth should at least be as good at, well, stealth, as Super Speed is. It should stack with Steamy Mist/Arctic Fog and should also lose the speed penalty.

I don't know how to fix Invisibility. I have it on one character precisely because it does suppress attacks (so he can leave auras running without aggroing). Only thing I can say is make the endurance cost more in line with other powers.

Stealth IO's are dirt cheap to build from scratch.

I use Concealment for my Archery/Kin Corrupter in order to allow him to zip through groups that he wouldn't be able to handle solo, and Phase Shift has saved his life several times over.

I'm surprised that people are bringing up Concealment before the Presence pool.

Ok, how about this:

1) [Stealth]: loses the speed debuff and is able to stack with other Stealth powers. The first is just an annoyance and has no balancing value whatsoever and the second is just stupid when SS is not given the same treatment, too.

2) [Grant Invisibility]: fine as it is

3) [Invisibility]: Change how this power works so that it gives two different stealth buffs and only one is suppressed. So when being attacked or clicking a glowie, it switches to stealth, similar to how fly switches to hover.

4)[Phase Shift]: It's exactly similar to the temp power which I have in all my characters and still requires 2 other powers from the concealment pool. Now, what about turning it back to a normal toggle with unlimited duration and instant intangibility with no delay, but with a 2end/s cost and a -regen penalty like -1000 or something? This way, it's still an awesome panic button, but you know that when you choose to exit Phase Shift, you health and endurance will still be low and you're in no condition to fight. It offers you complete safety as long as you need it, but doesn't let you recover from your wounds. This way it's a decent alternative to Hibernate, which doesn't last long and doesn't let you escape, but heals you back to full health and end and Personal Force Field , which has an unlimited duration, let's you escape and recover, but you might still take some damage and die if you're too low on health.

As for the other Stealth powers, area stealths work just fine and self Stealths like Cloaking Device and Cloak of Darkness can be given a small defense debuff resistance and smaller end cost.

What do you think?

Admittedly I only use two powers: Grant invis and Invisibility. Mainly because I never keep invisibility on when I decide to fight (hence actually using endurance, so the end cost isn't an issue), thus completely overriding stealth on effectiveness. For my purposes (going past mobs and hitting glowies) Invisibility works perfectly. I still can see stealth working as it is though, being another cheap def power (at least, the amounts still unsuppressed in combat), and Phase shift has a few big differences with the situation regarding fly, namely that the temp power has to be crafted/cannot be bought from NPCs. Instead of treating the temp power as a substitute for the power pool, treat the power pool as a substitute for the temp power, one that never runs out.

I'm fine with it as it is.

The stealth strike would be a nice option for folks using Invis. You have one chance to pop someone or click the glowie and then it's suppressed. The difference from just unclicking would be the stealth strike can be cast while invisible and you get maybe 1 second of Invis while clicking a glowie. Then, you'd fully visible with no defense bonus.

Stacking Stealth with the proc in a travel would be nice, but I can understand it not stacking.

With regards to "Movement IO's do the same thing":
A lot of builds are slot-limited. Particularly with Inherent Fitness, you get more powers now without any extra slots. If you used to build for Stamina, you now have three "free" power selections. Use one of them to pick Stealth, and now your movement powers need one fewer slot than they used to.

The defense suppression should be removed from Stealth so it's more useful while in combat.

As it stands now, the Concealment pool is useless to me outside of PvP or LotG mules.

I should have been more clear.

Quote:

Originally Posted by JD_Gumby Therefore choosing Stealth (and slapping an EndRedux in it, probably, especially if your build already has enough Defense powers that you don't need it as an LotG mule) as one of the 3-4 freed up power choices saves you from having to spend an extra slot on your movement power (and thus taking it from somewhere else) for a stealth IO.

This much I get. Heard, understood, and acknowledged.

What I don't get is how inherent fitness is new powers without new slots.