Concealment Pools needs some love

Originally Posted by Shisui

one of the two penalties could be removed. either remove defense suppression. or remove speed penalty. this puts it more in line with hover/cj as a pick.

Originally Posted by Leo_G

Well Energy Cloak and Cloak of Darkness do not suppress when attacking of when attacked, only when clicking mission objectives or PvP. Not only does the stealth not suppress but neither does the defense where Cloaking Device and Stealth do. That's sufficient enough difference from the pool power, IMO.

Cloaking Device has an additional damage component to Assault Rifle's snipe.

Personally, I'd suggest adding to those powers to give room to alter Stealth to make it a bit more attractive:

-EC/CoD could add a bit of -def resist. Just a tiny bit which won't do much for Dark Armor but help quite a bit for Energy Aura.

-CD could just have the snipe damage component added to all set's snipes. Sets without a snipe...oh well T_T

-Stealth, honestly the -speed is negligible. But if I were to help it out, changing it so it only suppresses when *you* attack would be cool. It'd be a pretty useful power to stealth mission objectives (which, honestly, I don't see as an issue). And you can still stay hidden when you get attacked.

Personally, that Stealth can't stack with other stealth shouldn't be a problem. It's Stalker's schtick to stack stealth anyway. But I still think each stealth power could have unique features to make them desirable to flip between different types of stealth like:

-EC/CoD is the combat stealth that keeps you hidden all the time.
-Steamy Mist/Shadowfall is the team version of the above.
-Hide is a super sneak attack mode + perfect invisibility.
-Cloaking Device could be the ranged version of Hide minus the perfect invisibility.
-Stealth could be the mission concealment version to get special objects while staying unnoticed.
-Invisibility could be a super aggro-shedder panic button that gives defense and drops your threat super low while its on.

Eh, basically just build each with specific tasks in mind rather than needing them to stack (which isn't very useful in PvE anyway and annoying in PvP).

Originally Posted by Signpost

Why would you slot stealth IO on anything but Sprint (And especially those with 1 year bonuses, since you get 4 more sprint powers, all slottable). Save your slot options.

Originally Posted by xhris

Emm, when you slot a Stealth IO in a toggle you have to actually run the toggle to get the Stealth bonus. Some builds are so tight on endurance that can't afford to leave Sprint on in combat.

Originally Posted by Santorican

The Presence Pool is out right garbage, but it is probably the most LOL inducing power pool in the game. I tried it on my Fire/Regen scrapper a while ago and almost laughed myself stupid at the sound effects.

Originally Posted by JD_Gumby

Because you get 3-4 new powers that you have to choose - but have no extra slots to put in them (so they have to work on their default slots, unless you sacrifice the slotting of other powers, which is not very effective in most cases).

Originally Posted by Jibikao

The only power under Pools that I don't understand is Whirlwind. I've seen it in action at Blackmarket when people are bored.

Can you use other powers while Whirlwind is on? It seems like you are stuck in that spinning animation? What is the point of Whirlwind?

Originally Posted by Signpost

Stealth IOs has to be slotted into a toggle regardless: there's no passive which can slot run/jump/fly/teleport sets. That leaves combat jump and hover (since you're talking about combat, I'm assuming the travel toggles which aren't useful in combat is out of discussion). Since those are used for defense, if you slot them there, and happen to need to escort something, you're screwed. Not to mention that you don't need stealth IO to be running in combat anyway, since it provides no combat bonuses, just turn off your sprint/stealth IO.

Originally Posted by Hejtmane

A lot of people can also pick access to a bunch of sprints so i can have one with stealth and one normal/ Can't remember which vet reward that is

Originally Posted by Hejtmane

it was a great power at one time when it did knock up now it is worthless

Originally Posted by JD_Gumby

Worthless for you, perhaps. On the other hand, my Blasters are loving it. Not every pool power needs to be suitable for every Archetype or combat style, after all, and Whirlwind is very definitely a "Don't wanna melee!" power and quite good at what it does, though it's very expensive.

Originally Posted by Terror1

Kiting is not that hard. Whirlwind is garbage.