"/Rad isnt really a debuff"

I'm pretty sure that Mako's Elude gives him a 100% immunity to -def debuffs, same as Mynx.

As a rad/rad defender, the constant +stupid effect that that leader would have had on your team made it worth not joining them. If running with basically maximized hit chance no matter what buffs were running wasn't enough of a nice side effect to go with the three levels of protection your primary was granting, you don't need them.

Normally, you need to run with bad leaders a while before it becomes obvious they don't know what they're doing. At least this one did you the favor of not wasting your time.

Because City of Data went totally useless a few years ago, the wikis have always been useless regarding specific data, and because I'm not interested in loading up the game anytime soon to look up one thing, I can't verify it. However, I do believe you are correct.

Lucky you...i've been kicked because of powersets. Particularly when i was running my TA/Archery defender. There were a few times i'd get a team invite and would see "Yay...we have a healer now!"

"Uh...no...sorry. I'm TA/Archery."

"...oh" <kick>

Yup...ran into a few of those situations that just cuz someone saw that little blue shield of mine they thought "HEALOR!" and found themselves disappointed.

Flipside of that, though, is i got invited to a few teams that found out i wasn't a healer but didn't kick me off the team, though a comment or 2 about how TA sucks flashed across the screen. At least until the found themselves steamrolling over mobs cuz they were debuffed to high Hades. One team in particular didn't even realize what was happening at first, and this was a "TA Sucks" team. The started putting mobs down alot faster and actually asked me "these things are dying ALOT faster...is that cuz of you?"

"Yyyyup"

"TA ROCKS!"

made my effin day

Originally Posted by Smiling_Joe ::looks at RaikenX's signature:: Something funny.

Heh, that's exactly how I feel tanking for "Dark Armor sucks" teams.

It doesn't do this. See above.

It does not. For that matter, Mynx Elude doesn't either. Neither are immune to defense debuffs. They just have the AV debuff resistance of 87% in the case of Mako at level 54 and 85% for Mynx at 51. That combined with the minimum 14% defense buff you need to get Mako off the floor at +4 (without tohit buffs) and the 20% defense debuff you need to get Mynx off the floor at +1 (her combined defense when Elude is up is actually 80%) means the first 108% defense debuff on Mako and the first 133% defense debuff against Mynx won't show a net visible effect.

Level 27 Storm. I have 3 other /storm builds. All of them except for one is higher level. The one below is level 26. The highest one is 50. The level 50 did the 30 Fir Blog mission as the only controller. My teammates where chanting my character's name during that mission.

Level 29 TA/a. I have a level 19 Plant/ta as well.

I'm still waiting to be kicked due to power sets. FYI, the first couple of years I ran A LOT of teams before I got bitten by the soloing bug. It's hard to be kicked when you have the star. I have now moved back to doing teams, but rarely lead these days.

Was it on Virtue? If so just be aware there is one notorious person who does that. Outside of that one individual/group I have never been kicked for anything, except for the time an 8th group member the leader thought left came back and he kicked me rather than ask me to leave.

You know, I have yet to be kicked from a team for powersets also. And my first three were Martial Arts Scrapper, Energy Blaster, and Illusion Controller. Also known as "single target knockback," "area of effect knockback," and "uncontrollable random direction knockback." Triumph is either a very forgiving server, or too drunk to tell the difference between things flying around and the room spinning around.

So far I've only been able to allow PUG teams to bypass Mako's defence on my Earth/Thermal Controller.

I totalled up the achievable Defence Debuffs on the build, and worked out that I could theoretically hit 85% Defence debuff (perma-able and autohit) plus a further 60% from Earth attacks (perma-able and non-autohit), plus another 20% from Melt Armor (non-perma-able and non-autohit) for a grand total of 165% defence debuff, assuming an ideal world and everything hitting (Yeah, I know...)

165% isn't too shabby, I'd be surprised if anyone managed to get much higher than 200%.

I'm a bit rusty on level scaling mechanics, but if I recall right, due to the "purple patch" a modifier of 0.48 would get applied to all inflicted debuffs (due to your character being -4 to the foe) which would reduce the initial 165% debuff figure to only 79.2% "real" debuff being inflicted - and at this point it would encounter the standard AV debuff resistances of 87% (at level 54), resulting in that initial 165% debuff figure eventually only applying 10.296% worth of "actual" defence debuff to the AV...?

With both Tactics and Forge slotted up the same character can apply a +43.26% ToHit modifier to each teammate, so if the above Defence Debuff calculation is correct then I would effectively be capable of lowering a level 54 AV's defence by 53.556% (on top of applying any vastly-reduced regen or resistance debuffs). All this seems to have been enough to bring Mako well into "Regularly Hittable" levels, but obviously relies vastly on +ToHit over -Defence... and would explain why even when my Earth's non-autohit attacks start missing, it really doesn't affect things that much...

We're getting a very abbreviated summary here, and one-sided at that, but the situation could very easily have been:

TF Leader [broadcast]: Looking to fill last spot LGTF, looking for debuffs.

Zombeh: I'll join! I debuff!

TFL: So what are you? FF/Rad? How's that debuffing?

Z: Rad blasts! Debuffs def!

TFL: Not exactly what I had in mind, sorry.

So is the OP technically correct in that Rad Blast debuffs? Sure. Is that what most TFs look for when they advertise for "debuffs"? No. They're looking for Rad Emission, Cold, Son, Dark, TA, etc. They're mostly looking for -res for AVs w/a dash of -regen. If they had no other team member filling that need, they're likely not looking for a FF/Rad to take the 8th spot.

Would I do a LGTF w/a FF/Rad and no other debuffer in the party? Sure, tho the last fight might take a bit longer. Still, if the TF was calling specifically for a "debuffer", I can't really blame them for wanting a different combo.

Correct.

not even close to what happened

Well, you didn't exactly elaborate w/your OP.

I'm not even sure they were looking for a Rad specifically. They might have just been looking for debuffs. If somebody is looking for debuffs, /rad isn't going to make the cut. Period. When people want debuffs, they are looking for -res and -regen.

Agreed.

Let's not spoil the Defender Solidarity pity party with inconvenient stuff like how to build a sensibly balanced team, or how some powersets debuff better then others.

But...but...what will I do with all these "Defenders and Corruptors united forever, LOLing at Controllers" pins I bought us?!

Funny Story.

Not long ago on Virtue I tried to join an LRSF. A few short tells with the leader since he wants to know about my Brute. I give him the specs, not top-tier, but definitely solid.

Finally he comes back with, "Well, you're probably better than what we have, but we already have a Brute."

Which is fine, I guess, although he could have told me that in the first place. My SG leader happened to be on that team. I understand it didn't go so well.

Next night, same guy recruiting for another LRSF. I end up being the "1 Brute." Then we get a dream mix of 3 rad emitters, a couple /kins, and at least 1 widow, I think another melee in there as well - might have been a second widow.

Honestly, with all of those buffs/debuffs going I could have run the thing with all my toggles off and still tanked the last fight - with a Brute. In honesty, it didn't matter what kind of Brute I was running with all of that going.

Def and Resist numbers were astronomical. I walked away from that thinking the last fight in that SF is WAY easier than it actually is. By a long shot.

Agreed. Besides, I'm in no position to be picky about who is bringing what, even if I wanted to.

If anyone has a right to be picky about who joins the team, I think I'm it. I either run with a fully purple setted warshade (Thanks to Organica), a softcapped to S/L/Ranged bots/traps that can solo anything he fancies that day, or the Dark Armor Tank that Sucks (solos +4/x8 Malta/Carnies).

My policy has always been, and always will be: Any build, any budget, no exclusions.

Bring me your petless MM concepts. Bring me your AR/Dev on SOs. Bring me your stalkers and peacebringers. We're going to have a good time regardless.

If I can do it, so can all of you.

I see this and it brings to mind an old quote (and one i believe someone had sigged) by BaBs, i believe.


"Did you just use "casual player" and "purpled out warshade" in the same sentence?"


LOL....still gets me to this day.

Originally Posted by Smiling_Joe ::looks at RaikenX's signature:: Something funny.