Inherent Fitness: Endurance

It ticks for 11.4 Endurance on my Tanker, and she has 114 Endurance maximum (both accolades, a couple of set bonuses).

There are a lot of options with slotting Stamina. Four slots is all you need if you're actually after recovery on its own (and I seem to recall that four Performance Shifters actually gives slightly better recovery than two generics, two PShift thanks to the +recovery set bonus). At the same time, I'm planning a build for my Katana/SR Scrapper that six-slots Stamina with Perf. Shifter for the defense bonus. So... whatever's fitting your goals, I guess.

I just edited the post. I don't know why I typed 215. lol

I meant 115, and my calculated numbers actually reflect the real value of 115, not 215...
Edit to change:
but as pointed out below, I skipped a step in my calculation which grossly overstated the effectiveness of the 14% enhancement. Sorry!

One problem with your numbers Master: you aren't getting 14% of your base recovery boosted, but 14% of the increase to base recovery given by Stamina, which is around .42 end/sec. So that 14% is giving you an additional .06 end/sec. Compared to the .20 for the proc, I'd pick the proc, unreliable as it may be.

No, the Performance shifter grants you 10% end as recovery, not to the Max. I think the only things that increase your Max are acolades.

Well, I never thought of it that way. Thanks for the tip!

some sets increase MAX (Decimation, Mocking Beratement & Impervium Armour to name a few)

I generally 3 slot stamina with 2x IOs and Performance shifter proc, but in some cases where I can spare the extra slots or the AT tends to be endurance heavy, I 4 slot performance shifter for the extra 2.5% set bonus; 5 slot if I want the extra dmg bonus, and I have 1 toon that actually has it 6 slotted for the def bonus as well.

Different AT/power sets = different results.

I tend to slot 4 and make them all Perf shifter with one of course being the proc. Some people I know 6 slot it with all perf shifter for all the set bonuses plus the proc.

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That was a really bone-headed step for me to skip. That's what I get for posting before work. haha

I edited the post. Maybe I'll fix the whole thing later when I get home. I don't want to skip another step before I go to work again. lol

The cost of it is irrelevant, as I dont buy them from WW. I have stacks of them that have dropped while playing over the years, and slowly levellling up my guys. One of the benefits of just enjoying the game, rather than the mad dash power levelling to 50 (which, thankfully, doesnt seem that common on my primary server).
And I dont need cash any longer thanks to multiple purple drops that I seem to have lucked into recently, so there's no reason to sell them off to fund my guys.

I think I hate you

I'm an incredibly slow leveller, why isn't it raining Recovery Uniques on me?
(I know the answer here, because I have the attention span of a kitten in a string factory and keep forgetting characters somewhere in the 30s to go play a new shiney )

Side note: They aren't uniques. You can have more than one slotted. My regen and willpower toons are ridiculously overcompensated for endurance recovery.

I was sure they are, and so is the Wiki.
http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Miracle:_Recovery

I know Performance Shifter PROC isn't but the Heal +recoveries are.

Isn't the proc what we're talking about here? You can't put Miracles and Numinas in Stamina...

Edit: After tracking back through the thread I see that I am mistaken and your comment was following a different track. One of the unfortunate results of the new forums not keeping all the quotes.. when I read yours I didn't see any other mention of the uniques and thought we were still talking about the Perf Shifter proc.

It's a bit confusing, some people are talking about the proc, I was talking with Cainus about his ability to slot the Recovery uniques into health and not bother slotting Stamina at all (which is why I hate him )

Well, even if the numbers were off, I appreciate that analysis. I've known the pieces to the Recovery equation, but wasn't able to put them together before. (Mainly, what I didn't know is the 1.67% base recovery rate)

So the base recovery is 1.67 End per sec

Stamina adds 25% of that, or +0.417 End per sec

3 slotted Stamina is +0.8125 End per sec

And 3 slotted Stamina with the Performance Shifter Proc is +1.0125 End per sec. Or, about +60% of base recovery

Is my math correct?

Each EndMod but the last should give you about +0.1376 End per sec, so the Performance Shifter is better, but comparable. And personally, while I understand there are people who have lots of money to throw around, and large collections of drops, I ain't one of them. To me, the benefit of the proc is its ability to exceed ED.

Although I must admit, the random nature of the proc and the fact that just dumb luck could cause you to suddenly recover your End bar just when you need it could be nice.

(Carnifax's 8.33% is 33% of the 25% Stamina EFFECT. But it's proportional to base recovery, not End per sec, so it can't be compared directly to the 20% from Performance Shifter. In those terms, either Performance Shifter is 12% of base recovery rate, or Numina is 0.167 End per sec)

Schis had it right - the proc grants you 10% OF your max end. Not "to" as you read his line.

And the Performance Shifter proc does not grant recovery. That's why it's so great. It grants endurance, just like a blue inspiration. So -Recovery can't affect it. Don't let let the people describing it as end/sec here fool you.

This is a very good point too. I tried to be careful in my description by describing my "end/sec" as an average (if it were to hit exactly 20% of the time), just to have a base of comparison in endurance gain (not necessarily "recovery").

But you are right, they work completely differently and there is really no way to directly compare the results of using both. It's kinda like comparing Regeneration and Healing. Each is good in it's own way, and like you said, the proc can't be debuffed, so that's a nice little bonus.

Reread. i did not say it increased your max endurance, just that it granted endurance equal to 10% of your max endurance when it fired. You recognize the difference, yes? (Admittedly i did not state it quite as explicitly in the post. i thought it would be apparent from the structure of the sentence and the discussion of the proc. An oversight on my part.)

Edit: Grrr, that's what i get for replying before reading the second page of the thread. Master-Blade already covered the matter. Rajani also pointed out why i like slotting the proc in addition to other recovery boosting IOs.

FWIW (to you), I read what you originally said the same way you described it here. The Combat Attributes describes your Endurance cap as "Max Endurance", so you were right to use that terminology. It does grant 10% of your max end (as opposed to 10 points of endurance). You didn't say "adds 10% to your max end". That's certainly different. Diggs just misunderstood, possibly because you mentioned +MaxEnd bonuses right before that. It happens.