Forget Spidey movie pix - here's New Venom
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Posted on: 2011-01-14 23:09 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
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If I recall the idea was to put spiderman in stances that truely looked like a spider in movement. So we got alot of pictures that had Peters body in a tight ball with arms and legs protruding from it to mimick the spider name in the art work and flow of the action. I honestly always liked McFarlanes take on the character. I know many hated the look and the tons of webbing that would fill the frames, but i found it to be pretty nice at that point in time of comic art.
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Originally Posted by Agonus
Sadly, Brock/Venom is looong gone and barring lots of retconing and hand-waving of plot developments, not coming back.
Gargan/Venom joined the government run Thunderbolts. Gargan lost the symbiote for reasons I don't know offhand, leaving the military with the suit. The military decides to temporarily give the suit to a current Spider-Man supporting cast member and send him on covert missions with it. I'll give it a shot, but it my interest really depends on who gets the suit. I forget his exact reasoning (which made sense when I read it like 10 years ago) but when he was drawing the book McFarlane intentionally put Spider-Man in as many limb breaking poses as he could. |
His run on Amazing Spiderman was awesome. I have ASM 311 stapled to my wall.
well it's in a plastic bag and the bag is stapled to the wall. Im not positive how many spiderman titles they were putting out each month back then, but Sal Buscema was penciling the Spectacular Spiderman. I liked Sal's pencils but McFarlane blew him out of the water.
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Originally Posted by QuiJon
If I recall the idea was to put spiderman in stances that truely looked like a spider in movement. So we got alot of pictures that had Peters body in a tight ball with arms and legs protruding from it to mimick the spider name in the art work and flow of the action. I honestly always liked McFarlanes take on the character. I know many hated the look and the tons of webbing that would fill the frames, but i found it to be pretty nice at that point in time of comic art.
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I don't think that's a controversial position. McFarlane is a fantastic artist...sure he could go overboard with the webbing but that's just a minor nit-pick.
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I think the design looks great. I don't know the story behind it, but at a glance he looks like a mercenary trained specifically to take down Spider-Man.
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V for Vendetta is from DC, so is the upcoming Green Lantern.. Watchmen is DC... and Constantine is DC too. They are finally learning that we want to see more then Superman or Batman. In movies we end up Warner Brothers vs Disney!|
Originally Posted by Ironik
Bleh, false.
Really false. One excellent movie in The Dark Knight, the end. I honestly can't recall the last time I read a regular DC series book I liked. A couple of their one-offs have been quite good, but overall I find them uninteresting. |
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The basic storylines on DC are better in overal atm. That is the simple truth. But maybe we should find a sales schematic of Marvel vs DC.
Marvel these days rely on old idea's. And do big changes on some of those.. not all of those very well done. I am personally getting tired of seeing Wolverine in every book... It maybe comes from the look and feel atm. Marvel is concentrating on the younger reader. I am an old-school fan.
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I find this point debatable.
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Originally Posted by Liz Bathory
Marvel these days rely on old idea's.
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I kind of agree with that point. I mean if you look at the storylines that Marvel or Marvel fans tout as the greatest contributions to the medium, then the vast majority of them would be fairly old. Many of the characters' and titles' best days seem to be behind them.
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Originally Posted by Cowman
I find this point debatable.
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I'm not sold on the look, but I like the premise a lot so I'll give it a shot provided it's $2.99. Stupid as OMD was, I've really been digging the Spider-books lately and I hear good things about Remender's writing.
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I like DC as much as the the next guy, but they're the one's bringing all the Silver Age characters back. How is that not relying on old ideas?|
Originally Posted by Liz Bathory
...Marvel these days rely on old idea's. And do big changes on some of those.. not all of those very well done. I am personally getting tired of seeing Wolverine in every book... It maybe comes from the look and feel atm. Marvel is concentrating on the younger reader. I am an old-school fan.
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Sure Marvel regressed most of the character development Peter Parker's had in the last 20-30 odd years, Thor's going back to the Kirby status quo and all the cool stuff that happened to Hulk 'round Planet Hulk was swept under the rug to bring back the mindless brute Hulk and introduce the ******* Red Hulk.
BUT!
The X-Men have -finally- moved on from West Chester. Dr. Strange is no longer Sorcerer Supreme. The Hulk's supporting cast is nigh unrecognizable compared to what it was 3 years ago. And they've actually stuck to their guns, keeping Brock as Anti-Venom (I think?) and now they're giving the Venom symbiote a military purpose, which is pretty far off from what Brock was doing with it back in the day.
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Marvel has been killing DC in overall sales for quite a while now. Batman and event books are really the only things DC has been putting out lately that have been competitive with Marvel in the top 10.|
Originally Posted by Liz Bathory
That is the simple truth. But maybe we should find a sales schematic of Marvel vs DC.
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| I am personally getting tired of seeing Wolverine in every book... |
I'm not sure what sales figures would prove, but Marvel is generally outselling DC. And as far as the "using old ideas" thing goes, DC's biggest hit in 2010 was yet another retelling of Superman's origin. Which is weird, because one of DC's best-selling miniseries of 2009 was yet another retelling of his origin. That's not even "ideas", it's idea, singular.
As for movies, you can't count Green Lantern because no one's seen it yet. (But it does look incredibly lame.) Watchmen was sort of a faithful adaptation of the comic, but was lifeless and dull. Constantine was nowhere near as good as the comic and while I personally liked V for Vendetta, you're going to get a lot of push-back on its quality.
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Great, another YMMV argument. Swell.....
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To be fair, I think Batman, Inc, the new lantern corps, and possibly the Wonder Woman revamp (depending on how the story behind it works out) legitimately count as new ideas. I'm not sure that's enough newness even to match what's happening in the X-books though, never mind the entire Marvel U. If we start counting Vertigo and Wildstorm in DC's favor, then we'd have to start doing the same for Ultimate Comics and Icon over on the Marvel side, and as bad as the Ultimate stuff seems to be right now you really can't argue they aren't doing new things there.
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Originally Posted by Ironik
And as far as the "using old ideas" thing goes, DC's biggest hit in 2010 was yet another retelling of Superman's origin. Which is weird, because one of DC's best-selling miniseries of 2009 was yet another retelling of his origin. That's not even "ideas", it's idea, singular.
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This is why I love the EU community... A solid well thought over discussion instead of a simple ' No' 
I can see your stands... both from Ironic and Warp Factor. Still I have the feeling that the past years I have been enjoying dc stories a bit more then marvel. I collect a lot from both though. So it isnt an issue of ... who wins ... for me. I just think that I saw a lot of lame things happening in the Marvel universe especially from the moment Quesada took over. I especially see indepth problems in DC while Marvel generally goes for the big fights.
At the moment the DCUO will effect the visibility of the DC franchise a LOT! Whatever personal idea's on the game... it will draw in a lot of players.
For movies... Disney just took over and it is still unsure if the movie franchize of Marvel will go on its current ' winning' streak. I actually thought both Iron Man movies where perfect. And Thor looks promising. Compairing it with Green Lantern... unsure. Thor and Green Lantern seem just as epic or lame as the other. Based on point of view. Only sales after release will tell who draws the most viewers.
Back to the topic of the OP... If this is the new Venom I just dont like it. It is not vicious enough and more a rehashed Deathstroke/Deathpool/Punisher type. The originality of the character seems broken down. And that is the character I knew and loved.
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It looks like they Venom Symbiote's new host is Frank Castle.
and not in a good way
... if that combination could ever have a "good way."
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It's been stated almost from the start that the person in the suit will be a Spider-Man supporting character. The two most likely candidates are Flash Thompson and Jon Jameson.
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Originally Posted by Chase_Arcanum
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It looks like they Venom Symbiote's new host is Frank Castle. and not in a good way ... if that combination could ever have a "good way." |
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I'm thinking SHIELD will ultimately regret weaponizing the Venom symbiote, but if Dan Slott continues his excellent storytelling, it will be an extremely entertaining ride.
Some writer at some point said that people were kind of creeped out by how Spider-man moved, so McFarlane was running with that concept. Super-flexible and "double-jointed" and fast = weird-looking.
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