What is considered "ebil" anymore?
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Adeon Hawkwood,
Posted on: 2011-01-14 17:27 in The Market and Inventions
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The anti-market types never get this.|
Originally Posted by Silver Gale
And yet you don't seem to grasp that "unreasonable" profit is not the result of "market pvp, price fixing and flipping", but of people *actually being willing to pay that much*.
If I'm having a yard sale and some wide-eyed dude runs up to me with a wad of bills and goes "OH MY GOD I MUST HAVE THIS COWBELL I WILL GIVE YOU $500 FOR IT", am I supposed to go "no sir, that cowbell is only worth about $1, I would be making *far* too much of a profit, I must hold on to it until an old grandmother who *really* wants it comes along"? |
They also never invest one bit of effort into thinking through the time it will take to get the drop themselves versus simply just tossing 50k out there to get a common salvage or the time to earn AE tickets and randomly roll.
It's easier for them to imagine some evil forces are behind all they do not like while they ignore that those same forces seem to never touch the junk on the market.
It's supply and demand not conspiracies. Sellers have the supply and those of us with a greater demand on it will pay happily for it. I get a tell from someone every time they "overpay" for common salvage that a certain forumite will cry when they do it. I think I will start doing the same.
total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
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Isn't tin used to make tinfoil? I think there ought to be a conspiracy to drive up the price of their hats.
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Originally Posted by Ironblade
Another one with no clue. The devs and NPCs don't set any prices. The players do. It's called supply and demand. In the real world, this explains why gold is more expensive than tin.
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total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
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Originally Posted by Ironblade
Another one with no clue. The devs and NPCs don't set any prices. The players do. It's called supply and demand. In the real world, this explains why gold is more expensive than tin.
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De Beers and OPEC are laughing at you.
LOL. You are confirming exactly what i'm saying. Supply and demand and exploits to be exact though.
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1 Hecatomb for sale. 300 bidding. Last 5 sold 450mil. (scenerio 1) I want one but don't have 450mil. So, i bid 300mil. Someone that has more inf than me bids 475mil to get it nao. My 300mil will never fill. Why, you ask? Because of scenerio 2.
(scenerio 2) Someone walks up to WW with a Hecatomb. 0 for sale. Last 5 are 4 @ 450mil, 1 @475mil. Hmm, they think. If the price jumped up to 475mil and 0 for sale, maybe i'll just toss this one up for 500mil and see if it sells. 2 days later, someone bids 500mil and gets it. And again, the 300mil bidder will never get it.
Is 300mil not in the right "relative" price for a recipe? Or is "relative" within 5 inf of the selling price? LOL. This has been the case year on year.
Now to the exploit part...
(scenerio 3) Someone walks to to WW and sees 10 purples for sale at 30mil. That person thinks, hmmm, i can buy those and delete all but 2 and relist for 200mil each and make 100mil.
Or, i think i'll just buy crap that i don't need just to inflate the values because i have nothing better to do in life and i don't really care if someone else is looking for these items for actual usage.
To think that people aren't treating WW like this are lieing to themselves and us. I've seen posts and pics of said actions. So, keep telling us how the "player base" sets the prices and i'll keep telling you how the alot of the buyers are just victims of the above actions that are skyrocketing the prices in WW.
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I am the only one who has ever bragged about deleting purples on this forum (prove me wrong).|
Originally Posted by eryq2
(scenerio 3) Someone walks to to WW and sees 10 purples for sale at 30mil. That person thinks, hmmm, i can buy those and delete all but 2 and relist for 200mil each and make 100mil.
Or, i think i'll just buy crap that i don't need just to inflate the values because i have nothing better to do in life and i don't really care if someone else is looking for these items for actual usage. To think that people aren't treating WW like this are lieing to themselves and us. I've seen posts and pics of said actions. So, keep telling us how the "player base" sets the prices and i'll keep telling you how the alot of the buyers are just victims of the above actions that are skyrocketing the prices in WW. |
I never did it in hopes of making profit. Therefore you're wrong
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Wrong. Leave your bid up and as long as it is the highest when someone else comes along and lists lower than your bid, you will get it. |
Originally Posted by eryq2
1 Hecatomb for sale. 300 bidding. Last 5 sold 450mil. (scenerio 1) I want one but don't have 450mil. So, i bid 300mil. Someone that has more inf than me bids 475mil to get it nao. My 300mil will never fill. Why, you ask? Because of scenerio 2.
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| (scenerio 2) Someone walks up to WW with a Hecatomb. 0 for sale. Last 5 are 4 @ 450mil, 1 @475mil. Hmm, they think. If the price jumped up to 475mil and 0 for sale, maybe i'll just toss this one up for 500mil and see if it sells. 2 days later, someone bids 500mil and gets it. And again, the 300mil bidder will never get it. |
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| Is 300mil not in the right "relative" price for a recipe? Or is "relative" within 5 inf of the selling price? LOL. This has been the case year on year. |
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Now to the exploit part... (scenerio 3) Someone walks to to WW and sees 10 purples for sale at 30mil. |
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| That person thinks, hmmm, i can buy those and delete all but 2 and relist for 200mil each and make 100mil. |
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| Or, i think i'll just buy crap that i don't need just to inflate the values because i have nothing better to do in life and i don't really care if someone else is looking for these items for actual usage. |
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| i'll keep telling you how the alot of the buyers are just victims of the above actions that are skyrocketing the prices in WW. |
@Quasadu
"We must prepare for DOOM and hope for FREEM." - SirFrederick
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I just logged on and took the following screenshots.|
Originally Posted by eryq2
1 Hecatomb for sale. 300 bidding. Last 5 sold 450mil. (scenerio 1) I want one but don't have 450mil. So, i bid 300mil. Someone that has more inf than me bids 475mil to get it nao. My 300mil will never fill. |
How could this POSSIBLY HAVE HAPPENED! It must be hax!
Or someone bidding low and waiting.
@Quasadu
"We must prepare for DOOM and hope for FREEM." - SirFrederick
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Nice shots. Just curious how many months they had to wait. And/if they had to wait until quantity reached 0, before they got it?
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Originally Posted by Quasadu
I just logged on and took the following screenshots.
How could this POSSIBLY HAVE HAPPENED! It must be hax! Or someone bidding low and waiting. |
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Originally Posted by eryq2
Nice shots. Just curious how many months they had to wait. And/if they had to wait until quantity reached 0, before they got it?
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You don't understand how the bid/offer system works. Not asking, just observing.
Ooh, a sarcasm detector. Oh, that's a *real* useful invention. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolog...t-sarcasm.html
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Don't get me started on that. It drives me nuts how many people think they have "tin foil" in their kitchen. It's ALUMINUM FOIL, people! |
Originally Posted by SwellGuy
Isn't tin used to make tinfoil? I think there ought to be a conspiracy to drive up the price of their hats.
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Originally Posted by Another_Fan
De Beers and OPEC are laughing at you.
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<sigh> They might think that if they were repeatedly dropped on their heads as a small child. I can make up delusional paranoid stories too but is there really a point to it?
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Originally Posted by eryq2
Now to the exploit part...
(scenerio 3) Someone walks to to WW and sees 10 purples for sale at 30mil. That person thinks, hmmm, i can buy those and delete all but 2 and relist for 200mil each and make 100mil. |
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Who really knows what marketeers think other than "hey, i can make a buck if"......
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Originally Posted by Ironblade
<sigh> They might think that if they were repeatedly dropped on their heads as a small child. I can make up delusional paranoid stories too but is there really a point to it?
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One of those purchases was mine. It's been 4 days since I put up the bid.| Nice shots. Just curious how many months they had to wait. And/if they had to wait until quantity reached 0, before they got it? |
Looks like my casually purpled Warshade is one step closer to being a reality!
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grats!!!
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Originally Posted by R-Tech
One of those purchases was mine. It's been 4 days since I put up the bid.
Looks like my casually purpled Warshade is one step closer to being a reality! |
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*watches eryq's conspiracy theories fall out of the sky in flames*|
Originally Posted by R-Tech
One of those purchases was mine. It's been 4 days since I put up the bid.
Looks like my casually purpled Warshade is one step closer to being a reality! |
I think the mindset of the market-ignorant can be summed up as "I don't know how this works, so I'm going to blame the people who do."
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Yes, how dare they notice opportunity when other people are impatient. Just because someone got a common IO recipe that sells for 75k at an NPC store and offered it up for sale for 100 inf doesn't mean you should buy it for that much.
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Originally Posted by eryq2
Who really knows what marketeers think other than "hey, i can make a buck if"......
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I was going to scold you for telling that. But since the "quitters" aren't competition for us to buy what we want I realized they won't believe it.
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Originally Posted by R-Tech
One of those purchases was mine. It's been 4 days since I put up the bid.
Looks like my casually purpled Warshade is one step closer to being a reality! |
total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
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or "I've made up my mind and am not going to let the facts confuse me."
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Originally Posted by macskull
*watches eryq's conspiracy theories fall out of the sky in flames*
I think the mindset of the market-ignorant can be summed up as "I don't know how this works, so I'm going to blame the people who do." |
total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
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There may be a way to avoid the problem, and get what he wants, and maybe make a friend or 2 in the process.|
Originally Posted by Humility
Yep, it always sucks to have to explain to my kiddo that he can't make that [insert cool recipe] that actually dropped for him because some jerk wants to market pvp and the common salvage costs 90% of his character wealth. Yeah yeah, he can wait until tomorrow and I personally have no issues with it, but explaining to an 8 year old that he has to wait because someone is being greedy over some pixels gets old.
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So, let's say he needs a Hami Goo and has a... Platinum. Or whatever, pick ANY rare salvage, even a lower level one. In Broadcast (Or Request): "Would someone be so kind as to trade me a Hami Goo for my Platinum? I can't afford to buy one right now. I'm at WW... Thanks." Dollars to donuts (mmm donuts...) He'll get an immediate friendly response, and maybe even a free Hami Goo in the process. The key here is he's not begging, he's asking for even (or lossy) trade.
I believe this is a valid use for the channel, promotes a positive environment, and might even teach a bit of 'getting by with a little help from our friends'. I think, esp. in this game, we're all willing to help out, as long as we know we're not getting the sharp end of the stick in the process...
Just a thought.
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See that is why their hats don't work. If they had proper tinfoil they would be protected. |
Originally Posted by Ironblade
Don't get me started on that. It drives me nuts how many people think they have "tin foil" in their kitchen. It's ALUMINUM FOIL, people!
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total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
How well would DeBeers do at fixing prices on diamonds if anyone, anywhere in the world, could walk around a city park, beat up the random thugs that appear out of nowhere in the park, and get a couple of diamonds an hour?
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Well logically if you find a park popular with newly married/engaged couples that should be possible... at least until the police show up.
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Originally Posted by seebs
How well would DeBeers do at fixing prices on diamonds if anyone, anywhere in the world, could walk around a city park, beat up the random thugs that appear out of nowhere in the park, and get a couple of diamonds an hour?
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Concealment pool, placate, Stealth IO in SS... the police will never find me! |
Originally Posted by Adeon Hawkwood
Well logically if you find a park popular with newly married/engaged couples that should be possible... at least until the police show up.
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And i thought you just needed to list stuff in the market to make billions! I will have to test out the park idea! :P
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lol. yea, that's it. All you have to do is read the topics in this section and see some of the crazy ideas how to make a dollar. Every event, there's questions as to how someone can use candy canes, or some wild idea how to make a dollar... sigh. It's easy, play the game and sell what you don't need. |
Originally Posted by macskull
*watches eryq's conspiracy theories fall out of the sky in flames*
I think the mindset of the market-ignorant can be summed up as "I don't know how this works, so I'm going to blame the people who do." |
What's wrong with just selling drops obtained? Like i said, i have 2 accounts of purpled toons, soft capd defenses, high valued enh in storage, several purples recipes and about 11 7.5 lotg level 25s recipes on a toon. I have used not 1 scheme, niche, flipped or done anything but sell items. So, what's the point of all the other BS?
No crazy conspiracy theory. Low drops rates in this game + idiots screwing with the markets items = crazy prices.... Like i said. You can't deny the facts of what people post on how to mess with the market. Then blame someone for calling it out. Looks like YOU are the informed one here, my friend.
A game economy that is exceedingly limited and subject to manipulations that would never work IRL is not exactly a strong ground for you to be basing moral judgments on.
And yes, anyone who price fixed a piece of salvage to a 10000% price increase for the sole reason of taking advantage of others for the sheer sake of doing so, makes you a jerk in my mind. You can justify it any way you want, but the bottom line is that most of the people doing so are simply doing it to amuse themselves at the expense of others. Making a profit is one thing, manipulating the market to those kind of extremes is another.
total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.