Why no Spines for Brutes?

My guess would be just because it hasn't been done yet (or would that be wishful thinking?)

Looking at it sensibly though with evidence in this thread, the combination of Quills and let's say Blazing Aura (Spines/Fire being the most common combo with Spines I've found) would mean a sum of roughly 30 damage per 'tick' of both auras if they were enhanced to 95%. Add on the usual 70% fury damage buff a Brute will be running then take into consideration that the tick is every 2 seconds then you get to around about.. 25dps at an estimate for an AFK Brute (anyone that can be bothered to I wouldn't mind you checking the math over as I wield a calculator like a blind man wielding a permanent marker). That isn't all that much I don't think but it's a solid addition to an active one.. But then I also checked out normal damage numbers for Spines with the Brute modifier (ingame numbers though) and TBH, it wouldn't really be that overpowered but may have the same effect as the comparison of Brute and Scrapper Fire melee.

So I'm gonna have to be in the same boat as Neogumbercules, I personally cannot see any problems with it numerically with my crude caveman maths, nor any issues conceptually.. But then, archetypes concepts don't really apply anymore with Broadsword Stalkers (still waiting for them to get Stone Armour too, I want a Broadsword/Granite Stalker).

LOL we "Redsiders " have been barking up that tree for years now .
when we got the ability to make scrappers go bad i stopped asking for it .
if i remeber correctly the reason was that something about spines screwed up brute fury just like ice. as for it being more powerful than the scrapper version i dont know. since brutes have had the nerf bat applied to the damage cap and fury .

The bad information collectively demonstrated in this thread is off the charts.

I was in CoV beta. Jonyu (sp? - the dev assigned to Brutes) explicitly stated that both Spines and Ice were not given to Brutes because the -recharge effects interfered with Fury generation. Period.

Damage auras on Scrappers are pretty damned consistent with Damage auras on Brutes. Yes, they don't critical on Scrappers. With the damage multipliers and average fury, they're still very close. (Excepting Brutes that can consistently keep 80%+ Fury)

Damage auras don't generate fury in the same manner as an attack (as at least one poster has theory crafted). The only thing they do is generate aggro, which consequently generates attacks, which generates fury.

Holy crap, guys, less theory crafting please.

Just give me a regen brute and I will be happy.

I'm fairly certain that Quills regularly generates the orange "Critical" message. I don't know if that's a mistake and it's not really generating crits, but I see the message all the time from Quill bursts. Or can the procs generate crits?

I've never seen a melee AT that can mass arrest like Spines. Maybe mow down bosses faster, but quantity-wise I can't see Spines being topped.

As Castle has eluded to: Spines would need to be completely revamped because it breaks too many rules, does too much AoE, and has too many secondary effects. Basically, if Spines were ported, it would likely have its AoE damage reduced, single-target damage raised, and secondary effects lowered. So, it hasn't been ported because of the time it would take to revamp the set. I also suspect a good amount of tears would be shed on the Scrapper forum.

Spines is PAINFUL to solo in the early levels...like Psychic Blast painful except at least Psychic blast has an attack chain so to speak of.

I'm looking at the numbers for Spines RE: -Recharge.

Here is the AoE potential -Recharge out of Spines if I'm not mistaken. I'm using Scrapper numbers because I can't locate a Brute power with -Recharge to see if they have a different modifier:
Spine Burst: -8% for 8 seconds, 3 second cast time
Quills: -8% (unstackable with self)
Ripper: -8% for 10 seconds, 2.17 second cast time
Throw Spines: -16% for 10 seconds, 1.63 second cast time

So that's about -40% Recharge after Spine Burst >> Ripper >> Throw Spines, which before Arcanatime can step in to make times longer, takes around 6.8 seconds to animate. At this point the -Recharge in Spine Burst is about to expire, but I guess you could chain back around and reliably sustain -50-60% Recharge in AoE over time. That means the enemy is attacking about 1/2 as fast as normal once you've built up the debuff. All of this is assuming you have the Recharge to keep cycling these powers back to back.

However -Recharge is not that straight forward. While you were spending 6.8 seconds building -Recharge, the enemy is theoretically attacking back. If it's not attacking back (maybe you knocked it down or something), then -Recharge is probably not going to have much of an effect on this fight at all, because -Recharge only has an effect on enemies after they take a swing at you. If you mezz or knock an enemy down, it has often either 1) not expended 1 or more powers and therefor not subject to a -Recharge penalty on them or 2) is out of the fight for now but its powers are still recharging anyway, limiting how much impact the actual -Recharge is having on preventing them from attacking again.

Also, -Recharge is an effect over time, not an instant effect like -ToHit that only has implications the moment the attack roll is made. When enemies launch their alpha, they are not debuffed at all, so any time they spend under no -Recharge penalty means they are actually Recharging quite a bit faster than the predicted 1/2 speed. Because of this you can expect a full wave of attacks back in your face shortly after enemies take their initial round of attacks. By the time you've built up enough -Recharge to make it significant with Spines, the enemy should be close to dead. Unless you're fighting +4s or something, and those resist -Recharge effects by 48%, making your reduction in their Recharge times not even noticeable (assuming you can get them to around -30% Recharge, which is only increasing their Recharge times minimally--a power with a 6 second recharge recharges in about 8.5 seconds which is better than nothing, but if 2.5 seconds messes up your Fury bar its a wonder what actual mezzes would do.)

And in all of this time a Dark Armor could have stunned the enemy for ~10 seconds with Oppressive Gloom, which reactivates every 2 seconds and can essentially permastun a minion.

Single target is such a wash it's not even really worth considering, but for the record, here are the numbers:
Barb Swipe: -8% for 2 seconds
Lune: -8% for 4 seconds
Impale: -8% for 8 seconds

All of this is not to say that -Recharge isn't the reason the devs didn't bring this set over, or that -Recharge isn't effective in some circumstances. It's just to say that if -Recharge was the reason, it wasn't really justified, unless Fury used to work very very differently than it does now. I have never actually seen the original version of it but I can't imagine how -Recharge could ever have effected it in the negative ways the devs apparantly believed it would.

Can I has my Spines/Ice Armor Br00t naos??