Doctor Who Christmas Special 2010 on BBCA on Christmas
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Posted on: 2010-12-24 22:29 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
An excellent episode. Very clever. Michael Gambon nails it as a miserly old curmudgeon but was there ever any doubt? Amy and Rory were in the background but definitely made their presence felt. The Doctor, just fun throughout.
As an aside, I really like Rory's character. I always get a kick out of it when he says, "Yeeeahhh. She is."
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Like when the Doctors meet themselves?
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Originally Posted by ABC123
What a pile of crap! What happened to the rule of two things existing in the same time and space going bang? (he hugged himself)
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I'm sure there's some wibbly wobbly explanation why there wasn't a "shorting out of the time differential" when they hugged. When Amy met her younger self in "The Big Bang" there were no consequences, the assumption being it's Amys from 2 different universes.
I LOL at the Psychic Paper failing...."Finally a lie too big"
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"Well, there's going to be some light music and a short note of apology saying, 'The universe ended last week, we're really sorry, we don't know what you're doing here, didn't you get the message?'"- Steve Moffat
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Originally Posted by Kyle_Al_Mordu
I LOL at the Psychic Paper failing...."Finally a lie too big" |
And it always amazes me how people get wound up over the tiny little glitches in the rules in a show that routinely changes it's rules at the drop of a hate and features time travel, disappearing universes and all kinds of other errors!
This is a show that has never really tried to stick hard and fast to continuity and rules, forsaking them whenever it suits a good storyline....it's not Star Trek after all
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Well, technically they aren't the same matter. A lifetime's worth of growth, change, and cellular death will see to that. They didn't even think the same. You could possibly call them two completely different people/objects. Just look at your own self through your life. Are you the same matter that you were when you were six? When you were -.5? When you were 20?
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Originally Posted by Kyle_Al_Mordu
I'm sure there's some wibbly wobbly explanation why there wasn't a "shorting out of the time differential" when they hugged. When Amy met her younger self in "The Big Bang" there were no consequences, the assumption being it's Amys from 2 different universes.
I LOL at the Psychic Paper failing...."Finally a lie too big" |
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I agree, this could be an explanation. We have seen in past episodes consequences of past and future selves meeting. In "Mawdryn Undead" we see 2 versions of the Brigadier touch and cause a huge discharge of energy (where we first heard the phrase "shorting out the time differential"). In "Father's Day" Rose holds her infant self and causes further damage to time. Even 2 versions of the sonic screwdriver touching caused a discharge of energy. |
Originally Posted by Dark One
Well, technically they aren't the same matter. A lifetime's worth of growth, change, and cellular death will see to that. They didn't even think the same. You could possibly call them two completely different people/objects. Just look at your own self through your life. Are you the same matter that you were when you were six? When you were -.5? When you were 20?
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My guess is that the Doctor was able to use the TARDIS to minimize or prevent any problems of past and future versions meeting.
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Honestly, if you're watching Doctor Who for it's consistency in canon, then you're doing it wrong.|
Originally Posted by Kyle_Al_Mordu
I agree, this could be an explanation. We have seen in past episodes consequences of past and future selves meeting. In "Mawdryn Undead" we see 2 versions of the Brigadier touch and cause a huge discharge of energy (where we first heard the phrase "shorting out the time differential"). In "Father's Day" Rose holds her infant self and causes further damage to time. Even 2 versions of the sonic screwdriver touching caused a discharge of energy.
My guess is that the Doctor was able to use the TARDIS to minimize or prevent any problems of past and future versions meeting. |
It could have been explained by a bit technobabble, but really it was better to just let the plot flow as it was.
The First Doctor once stated that "History can not be rewritten. Not a jot!".
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And even if it does, that's the way it was always going to have happened anyway so it really didn't.
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Originally Posted by Zikar
The First Doctor once stated that "History can not be rewritten. Not a jot!".
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Goodbye may seem forever
Farewell is like the end
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And there you'll always be
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Besides, do you have any idea how big a jot is?
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The Doctor may have at some point said that history can't be rewritten. However look how often he lies to people including companions "for their own good" or just to avoid having to go into deeper explanation.
If he were talking to another time lord or talking to himself then I "might" consider it a breach of canon. Otherwise it's just him being The Doctor.
And even if it were him speaking to another time lord or himself it might not be a breach of canon. There have also been many times that he has considered something impossible and then come up with some way to work around the supposedly impossible situation.
Also the majority of the body cells are constantly being replaced. Skin more quickly than muscle, muscle more than bone, bone more than nerve tissue. But there is likely some point where there is enough different matter in the body that there isn't a problem with a person meeting and touching themself. Which also explains why all the different incarnations of The Doctor are capable of meeting and touching.
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Originally Posted by Tenzhi
If only the same would occur with things like Sherlock and Dirk Gently rather than their usual incessant stream of Top Gear, Gordon Ramsay, and Star Trek:TNG
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There's a Dirk Gently TV show?
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This could be standard Time Lord dogma though. Kinda like "Stop touching it or you'll go blind."|
Originally Posted by Zikar
Honestly, if you're watching Doctor Who for it's consistency in canon, then you're doing it wrong.
It could have been explained by a bit technobabble, but really it was better to just let the plot flow as it was. The First Doctor once stated that "History can not be rewritten. Not a jot!". |
Now that the Time Lords aren't around anymore, The Doctor is "probing" what really is and isn't possible with unlimited access to the timestream.
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Nothing short of brilliant. That character has to be played with two extremes, but done in a subtle manner as to not make a complicated character appear as a lunatic. |
Originally Posted by Magus_Prime
Michael Gambon nails it as a miserly old curmudgeon but was there ever any doubt?
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Regardless of what one thinks of Moffat's continued abuses against the time travel mechanics, this special is one of the finest christmas specials simply due to Gambon's excellent portrayal.
I think like Riversong told the truth in the last episodes said it best.
The Doctor lies.
Look at it this way, your past self goes in time and rewrites Dalek history, helps to be part of the death of Skaro, and creating a war with Daleks and Time Lords, had to make a time loop and barely got out of that alive, and to be the only supposed Time Lord in the galaxy, ya, I'd lie to others too..
Now, you bring companions with you constantly, maybe he lies to lesser beings, cause you have to remember our brain cannot hold the brainpower of a Time Lord, plus, having a Tardis and regenerates, he's pretty much have to be careful who he brings along, so in order to make sure his sidekicks do not repeat what he did, the Doctor has to lie to them (his companions) in order to make sure they do not rewrite history like the Doctor did.
"Time Lords only watch not interfere" is a lie in itself as well, as we all know the Doctor never lets "bygones be bygones" he tries to help others or save people, so in case of irony, he does interfere with his environment, thus, changing a possible different future, wither that be good, or bad.
To me The Doctor is just a Madman with a time machine, thinking his actions cannot change time, only others can, and they (his companion) were either destined to change time, or had the will to do so.
The show was good, too bad didn't have different Doctors as well, but showed the morale, "One must make sacrifice, in order to save a better common good."
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Great how he went from mean and angry because of his father, to sad and regretful and then to actual happiness thanks to the Doctor and finding love and then back to mean and angry because he had to grow old without his true love. The subtlety and slow reveal of that sure was some fine acting.
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Originally Posted by brophog02
Nothing short of brilliant. That character has to be played with two extremes, but done in a subtle manner as to not make a complicated character appear as a lunatic.
Regardless of what one thinks of Moffat's continued abuses against the time travel mechanics, this special is one of the finest christmas specials simply due to Gambon's excellent portrayal. |
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Originally Posted by brophog02
Nothing short of brilliant. That character has to be played with two extremes, but done in a subtle manner as to not make a complicated character appear as a lunatic.
Regardless of what one thinks of Moffat's continued abuses against the time travel mechanics, this special is one of the finest christmas specials simply due to Gambon's excellent portrayal. |
Michael Gambon was simply amazing (as expected) in the episode as I thought he'd be, he made the episode for me. Excellent episode and any fears I had of it being just a Christmas Carol rehash were soundly trashed.
Katherine Jenkins wasn't as wooden as I thought she'd be either.
As for all the time shenanigns I'm simply past caring about things like that any more, Dr Who has always been all over the place in terms of canon anyway and a mere pink ape like me can't hope to comprehend the rules governing time travel. It was done well, it was very enjoyable to watch. That's enough for me.
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