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You are correct. That's exactly how they would lose money.
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Originally Posted by TameDragon
But they ARE losing money if people expect a free transfer. If i knew there was a free round at the same time roughly each year i wouldn't bother buying any throughout the year and wait til the freebies came along. That's how i see it anyways
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I hope there aint gonna be any free transfers for a while since I begged and begged the parental units to transfer 3 toons from Freedom to Liberty.
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Originally Posted by TameDragon
But they ARE losing money if people expect a free transfer. If i knew there was a free round at the same time roughly each year i wouldn't bother buying any throughout the year and wait til the freebies came along. That's how i see it anyways
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
You are correct. That's exactly how they would lose money.
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@Roderick
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Income is money. People don't pay for server transfers with goats.
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Originally Posted by Roderick
No. They don't have the money, so they aren't losing it. They may be losing income, but it's not the same thing, even if the net effect is the same.
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Fine then. See this $5 bill in my wallet? I'm not giving it to you.
By your rationalization, you just lost $5.
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Fine then. See this $5 bill in my wallet? I'm not giving it to you.
By your rationalization, you just lost $5. |
Aside: i was being facetious when i referred to free transfers with the next paid expansion. As far as i know there are no current plans to add any more paid expansions to the game, so that could be never. Free transfers was a one time thing that sets no precedent for any sort of schedule or repeat. It could happen, but there's no reason at this time to expect them on any sort of schedule or to view them as an entitlement. Not that it will stop some people from insisting otherwise...
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Originally Posted by Roderick
Fine then. See this $5 bill in my wallet? I'm not giving it to you.
By your rationalization, you just lost $5. |
In order for your argument to have any merit I would first have to be selling something you wanted and then decide to give it to you for free instead of selling it.
I'm not selling anything so I'm not out anything.
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I'll give you 5$ Tuesday for a cheeseburger today...
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Help yourself, they aren't mine.
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They lose a heck of a lot more money when people just unsubscribe because their server is dead.|
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
You are correct. That's exactly how they would lose money.
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The fact that they haven't merged servers, or simply made server transfers something like 5 free per month, amazes me.
CoX has a severe population problem and too many servers. They don't want to merge because it looks bad and they know people will crap if they lose their character name.
The only logical and fair workaround is free server transfers on a somewhat regular basis.
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Originally Posted by Cambios
They lose a heck of a lot more money when people just unsubscribe because their server is dead.
The fact that they haven't merged servers, or simply made server transfers something like 5 free per month, amazes me. CoX has a severe population problem and too many servers. They don't want to merge because it looks bad and they know people will crap if they lose their character name. The only logical and fair workaround is free server transfers on a somewhat regular basis. |
Or are you one of the "The Devs shrunk the server hardware" types?
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Originally Posted by Cambios
They lose a heck of a lot more money when people just unsubscribe because their server is dead.
The fact that they haven't merged servers, or simply made server transfers something like 5 free per month, amazes me. CoX has a severe population problem and too many servers. They don't want to merge because it looks bad and they know people will crap if they lose their character name. The only logical and fair workaround is free server transfers on a somewhat regular basis. |
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Originally Posted by Cambios
They lose a heck of a lot more money when people just unsubscribe because their server is dead.
The fact that they haven't merged servers, or simply made server transfers something like 5 free per month, amazes me. CoX has a severe population problem and too many servers. They don't want to merge because it looks bad and they know people will crap if they lose their character name. The only logical and fair workaround is free server transfers on a somewhat regular basis. |
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Yellow means nearly empty.
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Originally Posted by Rajani Isa
... Yes, because all that extra activity means the servers are dying...
Or are you one of the "The Devs shrunk the server hardware" types? |
I play on Triumph, and holy moly is it dead. I can go hours without seeing a single person. It is so much less than what I remember from a few years ago that it is shocking.
The point is, the game clearly doesn't have the population it once had. NCSoft kinda admitted that a few years ago when they stopped disclosing CoX's subscriber numbers in their quarterly statements. But so what - if the game is fun, that doesn't matter.
The part that DOES matter though, is when they keep the same number of servers, but don't give people a free way to do some transferring. Because there are a few servers that are super dead, and only 2 or 3 that are high activity most of the day/night.
My point is that a subscription is ultimately a lot better to have than a couple server transfers. Losing customers who get bored on low pop. servers can lose you a lot more money.
One final note: the red/yellow/green dots are all relative. They aren't raw numbers, so you really can't conclude anything from that.
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And yet this is the same doom and gloom you were posting two years ago.|
Originally Posted by Cambios
No, I'm not a doom and gloomer. I just resubscribed a week ago after 3 years away from the game. I'm not a hater. I'm giving CoX another shot after a long break.
I play on Triumph, and holy moly is it dead. I can go hours without seeing a single person. It is so much less than what I remember from a few years ago that it is shocking. The point is, the game clearly doesn't have the population it once had. NCSoft kinda admitted that a few years ago when they stopped disclosing CoX's subscriber numbers in their quarterly statements. But so what - if the game is fun, that doesn't matter. The part that DOES matter though, is when they keep the same number of servers, but don't give people a free way to do some transferring. Because there are a few servers that are super dead, and only 2 or 3 that are high activity most of the day/night. My point is that a subscription is ultimately a lot better to have than a couple server transfers. Losing customers who get bored on low pop. servers can lose you a lot more money. One final note: the red/yellow/green dots are all relative. They aren't raw numbers, so you really can't conclude anything from that. |
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CoX has some real population issues right now that need to be addressed seriously. Whether that means server merges, or free transfers from Freedom/Virtue -> anywhere else, I'm not sure.
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The reason you can't find anyone is
1. You are still on everyones ignore lists even tho you've been gone for 2 years.
2. People spend most of their time in missions or one of the dozen AE buildings where you can't see them.
3. Super Sidekicking made it so much easier to get teams together that players only spend the bare minimum hanging out in zones.
4. There are three factions now and players are split between them.
5. Judging from some of the complaints you've made in the past
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Stop giving your morning customers the shaft. Seriously. This is two mornings in a row that morning customers get no playing time because of this maintenance. Everyone knows 8-10am CDT (9-11am EDT) is *NOT* the slowest time. |
I think about 18 months ago a lot of people were close to quitting due to the sense that the game was dieing. The free server transfer was a pretty creative solution to that issue, IMHO because it allowed people to take their favorite toons to a server with a large population. I don't know how much money they make from selling transfers, but I doubt it's worth as much as extending the longevity of this game. IMHO, they should have free transfers all the time. If there's a game breaking way to abuse this function, they can limit it to 1 move per week or something.
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Wait, the free transfers were 18 months ago?! Damn, time flies. i mean, obviously free transfers couldn't have been much more recent that that since free transfers weren't announced until shortly before being made available and people who are on the verge of quitting because the game is dying would obviously have quit long before free transfers were given out if they were given more than a month or three later.|
Originally Posted by Shred_Monkey
I think about 18 months ago a lot of people were close to quitting due to the sense that the game was dieing. The free server transfer was a pretty creative solution to that issue, IMHO because it allowed people to take their favorite toons to a server with a large population.
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*checks Paragon Wiki*
Huh, Issue 18 was released on 16th of August 2010 and free transfers were made available right around then. That's a a bit less than five months ago. So you're saying that people who were about to quit 18 months ago hung on another 13 months waiting for free transfers that no one knew were coming until Issue 18 launched? (In fact almost all Dev statements regarding server transfers prior to Going Rogue made free transfers sound like a very unlikely thing due to the work involved in doing transfers.)
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Edit: Completely forgot the first free transfers were at the beginning of 2010. My mistake. Six months, not 13.
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By now I have 36 level 50 alts in the Champions server, all totally decked out with IO sets and 18 of them already have the 2nd tier alpha enhancement, but all 36 have already unlocked the alpha slot as well.
I will also confess, that not all of alts concepts worked as I thought they would, some such as my Peace Bringer are aweful disappointments. Yet I did take them from level 1 to 50 and thus they are sufficiently especial for me not to want to delete them. So I would like to move my 2nd class alts to another server or servers actually. This way, I can try other servers and find out what their feel would be. But frankly there are new concept characters I want to build, and I want to do so in Champions.
Long ago, I had some alts in Virtue and finding the server not to my liking I actually paid to have them moved into Champions. I was royally angry when a few months later they allowed free transfers.
From my perspective half a dozen free transfers would be great or add a new alt page with 12 new slots we could purchase ( I still have 2 new slots pre-purchased).
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I think about 18 months ago a lot of people were close to quitting due to the sense that the game was dieing.
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Wait, the free transfers were 18 months ago?! Damn, time flies. i mean, obviously free transfers couldn't have been much more recent that that since free transfers weren't announced until shortly before being made available and people who are on the verge of quitting because the game is dying would obviously have quit long before free transfers were given out if they were given more than a month or three later.
*checks Paragon Wiki* Huh, Issue 18 was released on 16th of August 2010 and free transfers were made available right around then. That's a a bit less than five months ago. So you're saying that people who were about to quit 18 months ago hung on another 13 months waiting for free transfers that no one knew were coming until Issue 18 launched? (In fact almost all Dev statements regarding server transfers prior to Going Rogue made free transfers sound like a very unlikely thing due to the work involved in doing transfers.) |
Both of you have your dates wrong. The first mention of Free Server Transfers happened exactly one year ago. That's 12 months. During the 2009 Winter Event. It was a complete surprise to everyone. and they even extended it until February 28th.
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The 2009 Winter Event has arrived! Winter Event 2009 [show] But don't fall into the trap - keep your senses alert, as a new menace is also looming in the horizon, threatening to bring the holidays to an abrupt end! Will you be able to defeat Lord Winter before he succeeds? An emote and a Candy Cane-purchasable respec are new this year, along with an altered version of present-hunting and Winter Lord fun. Starts: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 at 8:59am PST (11:59 am EST / 4:59pm GMT) Ends: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 at 11:59pm PST (2:59am EST / 11:59pm GMT) Happy holidays to you all! Join in the community discussion on the official City of Heroes forums! Free Character Server Transfers for the Holidays! City of Heroes is proud to announce that starting today character transfers between servers will become free to all players and remain that way through the end of January 2010. Free Transfer Extension Good news! Due to popular demand, free Character Server Transfers have been extended until February 28th (at 11:59pm PST / 2:59am EST / 11:59pm GMT)! Were you hurrying to get all your characters moved before the deadline? No problem, you've got an extra four weeks to get it all done! Join in the community discussion on the official City of Heroes forums! |
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City of Heroes® is proud to announce that starting today character transfers between servers (within North American OR European server lists) will become free to all players and remain that way through the end of January 2010.
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Originally Posted by Cambios
No, I'm not a doom and gloomer. I just resubscribed a week ago after 3 years away from the game. I'm not a hater. I'm giving CoX another shot after a long break.
I play on Triumph, and holy moly is it dead. I can go hours without seeing a single person. It is so much less than what I remember from a few years ago that it is shocking. The point is, the game clearly doesn't have the population it once had. NCSoft kinda admitted that a few years ago when they stopped disclosing CoX's subscriber numbers in their quarterly statements. But so what - if the game is fun, that doesn't matter. The part that DOES matter though, is when they keep the same number of servers, but don't give people a free way to do some transferring. Because there are a few servers that are super dead, and only 2 or 3 that are high activity most of the day/night. My point is that a subscription is ultimately a lot better to have than a couple server transfers. Losing customers who get bored on low pop. servers can lose you a lot more money. One final note: the red/yellow/green dots are all relative. They aren't raw numbers, so you really can't conclude anything from that. |
Or do you think you just form teams and wander around Atlas Park so people can see you?
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This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Both of you have your dates wrong. The first mention of Free Server Transfers happened exactly one year ago. That's 12 months. During the 2009 Winter Event. It was a complete surprise to everyone. and they even extended it until February 28th.
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Unless they're like several people in the forums who announce that they've canceled their subscriptions every time a new issue is about to come out because it didn't contain everything they wanted, and yet are still complaining on the forums the next month and every month after.
*Time travelers might do that, but then they're only messing with us because they already know that they're going to be staying anyway. Time travelers can be such jerks.
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Oh I agree with your argument 100%, I was just pointing out that both dates were off. You simply forgot about the first transfers, and his statement is highly implausible.
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Originally Posted by Schismatrix
Ack! You're right! Mea culpa. Still, i somehow doubt people who were on the verge of quitting RIGHT NAO stuck it out for another six months waiting for the surprise announcement of free server transfers*.
Unless they're like several people in the forums who announce that they've canceled their subscriptions every time a new issue is about to come out because it didn't contain everything they wanted, and yet are still complaining on the forums the next month and every month after. *Time travelers might do that, but then they're only messing with us because they already know that they're going to be staying anyway. Time travelers can be such jerks. |
Old arguements over and over agin.
OH NOES DA GAME IS DIEIN!!!!!
NOWON IS AROUND!!!
DE SERVERS R DED!!!
Plz ppl christ there are people who wrote guides on how to find people for teams.
Play at a different hour, use a guide, use one of the many channels that are on every server, move to a different one, make friends, post on server forums for play times,etc,etc, and freakin etc.
It's not rocket science...I'm starting to think that some people act stupid just for the glory of being in the forum limelight.
"Oooo look I made the forum cartel pay attention to me cuz I iz an idjit."
Yes it would be cool if they gave out free transfers but, I'm not holding my breath but, perhaps some of you should.
We do have other space-based threats, however, like the Shivan meteors and the Nictus.
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