1. any stalker
2. any stalker
3. any stalker
4. any stalker
5. any stalker
Ninjitsu is awesome, I'd recommend it.
And if you want AoEs go Spines or Electric, otherwise whatever.
1. Sharks
2. Shraks
3. Sharks
4. Sharks
5. Sharks
<:[ shark goes nom nom nom ]:>
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Originally Posted by Symar
And if you want AoEs go Spines or Electric, otherwise whatever.
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To the OP:
Make a Spines/Wp or an Elec/Wp.
Take buildup,AS,Placate,and for spines take impale and for elec take thunderstrike. then go mako and take sharks.
Attack chain of BU,AS,Placate,Sharks, rinse and repeat.
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If you are relatively new to the game and PvP, please do not make a Stalker until you fully understand PvP. I don't say this to be insulting or critical, but there are just sooooooooo many bad Stalkers in the game that it makes me cringe every time I see somebody with a new forum registration date asking about Stalker builds. |
Originally Posted by F T W
I'm planning on rolling a stalker but I don't know what to make it.
What are the top 5 best stalker builds? |
99% of Stalkers in the game right now are just frustrated Blasters. If you are going to make a Stalker, please please please understand your role and your powers and don't just spam ranged attacks from hide because that will only get you laughed at.
Electric / Wp / Mako
Energy / Wp / Mako
Spines / Wp / Mako
Electric / Nin / Mako
Energy / Nin / Mako
Spines / Nin / Mako
Or, with the addition of i19 inherent Fitness pool, regen no longer needs tons of inf to slot staminaless in order to get perception.
Oh, and if you are a new player please learn the technicalities of stealth and perception and how this effects you in Zones...
Consciousness: that annoying time between naps.
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LOL. Your dumb. "oh please don't do x until you're ready", hahaha. |
Originally Posted by Antigonus
If you are relatively new to the game and PvP, please do not make a Stalker until you fully understand PvP. I don't say this to be insulting or critical, but there are just sooooooooo many bad Stalkers in the game that it makes me cringe every time I see somebody with a new forum registration date asking about Stalker builds.
99% of Stalkers in the game right now are just frustrated Blasters. If you are going to make a Stalker, please please please understand your role and your powers and don't just spam ranged attacks from hide because that will only get you laughed at. |
Stalkers are FINE learning toons for newer players to learn with, regardless of their experience, IF they "want" to learn. There's no other AT that allows you to sit in as much comfort and "learn" by watching others without much risk of dieing/being farmed. If a new player chooses not to watch and learn, no amount of time/experience will fix that, most cases.
Lemme guess...you think they should roll a scrapper? Like we don't already have enough true-warriors running around now. Or how about a squishy instead.....so they can be farmed mercilessly and no longer want to pvp because of it? Good advice.
You're dumb again. Sharks are nothing to laugh at.....who doesn't want an 80 foot Assassin Strike to learn with? And if using an 80 foot AS gets me laughed at, so be it. I will impale and shark your *** to death and laugh all the way to the market....like I always do on my blasting stalker. You don't NEED to use AS. Wtf do you think blasters do? They blast from range, genius. Stalkers can too if built right. What are some of your toons, I'll log in and show you? Of course I'm sure you'll bring your regen if you do, or some giant bag of HP's, lol.
Your still dumb. I like bad stalkers. They make drops easier to get. 99% of people who say stuff like you did......are dumb, so I've heard.
According to pretty much anyone you ask nowadays, 99% of the pvp player base is bad, dumb, newb, sucks, loser, blah blah blah. Shaddap!
Stop telling people when to play an AT......and being dumb.
God these type of posts are getting old.
To the original poster:
Spines/ or Elec/ are both fine choices. If money is no object for you, /Nin can be very, very good to you. If you are on more of a budget, /WP is a better option, but a very good option regardless of budget....but you will still need "some" sort of a budget. Proc'd attacks are your friend. GL with your new stalker and learning the art of the AS.
Elec
Spines
Dark
Claws
Kin
EM
MA
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Originally Posted by JonnyDeadSide
LOL. Your dumb. "oh please don't do x until you're ready", hahaha.
Stalkers are FINE learning toons for newer players to learn with, regardless of their experience, IF they "want" to learn. There's no other AT that allows you to sit in as much comfort and "learn" by watching others without much risk of dieing/being farmed. If a new player chooses not to watch and learn, no amount of time/experience will fix that, most cases. Lemme guess...you think they should roll a scrapper? Like we don't already have enough true-warriors running around now. Or how about a squishy instead.....so they can be farmed mercilessly and no longer want to pvp because of it? Good advice. You're dumb again. Sharks are nothing to laugh at.....who doesn't want an 80 foot Assassin Strike to learn with? And if using an 80 foot AS gets me laughed at, so be it. I will impale and shark your *** to death and laugh all the way to the market....like I always do on my blasting stalker. You don't NEED to use AS. Wtf do you think blasters do? They blast from range, genius. Stalkers can too if built right. What are some of your toons, I'll log in and show you? Of course I'm sure you'll bring your regen if you do, or some giant bag of HP's, lol. Your still dumb. I like bad stalkers. They make drops easier to get. 99% of people who say stuff like you did......are dumb, so I've heard. According to pretty much anyone you ask nowadays, 99% of the pvp player base is bad, dumb, newb, sucks, loser, blah blah blah. Shaddap! Stop telling people when to play an AT......and being dumb. God these type of posts are getting old. To the original poster: Spines/ or Elec/ are both fine choices. If money is no object for you, /Nin can be very, very good to you. If you are on more of a budget, /WP is a better option, but a very good option regardless of budget....but you will still need "some" sort of a budget. Proc'd attacks are your friend. GL with your new stalker and learning the art of the AS. |
You're an idiot if you think Sharks is a ranged AS. My Stalker can do 800+ damage with AS, which I'm good enough to do pretty much at will. Follow that up with placate+Shark and squishies die. Good luck doing that with just Sharks baddo. I imagine you would be one of those bottom feeder PvPers that only goes after players that are almost dead anyway so Sharks is perfect for your needs since you don't have to worry about follow up attacks.
But I do like playing against Stalkers that just throw fish because it means I don't have to worry about them and can concentrate on the real threats. Any real PvPer here though will tell you that AS is the cornerstone of any good Stalker build. Why would you not use your highest damage attack? Is it too hard for you?
It's fine to learn to pvp on a stalker, as long as you spend the time learning to AS.
Sharks =/= AS. It takes 0 skill to trow sharks and it isn't anywhere near as effective as ASing.
Electric Melee and Spines are fine choices paired with /WP or /Nin. Maybe even Kinetic Melee but not sure if its as broken as its Scrapper counterpart.
I personally use Energy Melee / Regeneration (since back when Energy Transfer gimped). Its probably squishier than a Blaster/Corruptor/Defender/Controller ATs since they get a nice boost in resistance in PvP but with 2x heals and MoG it can get in and out of tight spots without using a Phase/Hibernate. I just have to know when I should be expecting incoming damage.
JonnyDeadSide made a great point about spectating and learning ATs roles. For example TAs, Grav, FF, and even Tanker/Brutes are a form of disruption. Normally, Tankers and Brutes in PvE get a lot of action but in PvP you'd have to pretty much beg for it and are essentially taunt bots.
In the end, you'll pretty much see the majority of the zone comprising of Stalkers, Scrappers, and Blasters.
Anyways, have fun with whatever you choose. Once you get really good at it you can step it up a notch and learn to Phase->BU->AS->Unphase a squishy in the middle of Caltrops, Freezing Rain, Rain of Fire and such and 2x shot em' and then Hibernate. I check how much hp they have before doing so and pop reds accordingly. I'll pop maybe 2-4 reds to 2x shot a squishie with 1,200hp. Blasters are typically capped in hp and I'll use 4-6x reds and Scrappers that around 1,600-1,700 I'll use all 400% damage boost to 2x shot em'.
To reach the stealth cap you need Hide + Stealth + Celerity: Stealth active. Nobody can see 'cept Widows with enough perception to a certain radius. Can't recall the numbers but they can he see you pretty good. I'm guessing 80-100' but someone can correct me. There is a way for enemy's to get the idea of where you are when they just enter your field of vision over the horizon. If you're standing still they will lose sight of you when they run up to you but it'll give them an idea to toss an AoE/PBAoE to pull you out of Hide.
I think I'll leave it at that.
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Originally Posted by Antigonus
You're an idiot if you think Sharks is a ranged AS. My Stalker can do 800+ damage with AS, which I'm good enough to do pretty much at will. Follow that up with placate+Shark and squishies die. Good luck doing that with just Sharks baddo. I imagine you would be one of those bottom feeder PvPers that only goes after players that are almost dead anyway so Sharks is perfect for your needs since you don't have to worry about follow up attacks.
But I do like playing against Stalkers that just throw fish because it means I don't have to worry about them and can concentrate on the real threats. Any real PvPer here though will tell you that AS is the cornerstone of any good Stalker build. Why would you not use your highest damage attack? Is it too hard for you? |
Two hits and squishy's die eh? That's exactly why I wouldn't recommend a complete novice to play a squishy. Stalkers will farm them and leave a sour taste in their mouths, possibly preventing them from ever returning to learn and enjoy pvp.
ALL new players are bottom feeders, Antigonus.
Sharking injured players from afar when they are retreating back to base is PERFECT for newer pvp'ers to start participating with.
It's a great opportunity for them to get a kill and possibly a great drop. Its a great opportunity for them to feel like they accomplished something(although we both know its no big deal, i think we can at least agree on that?), opportunity they can be relatively safe in their efforts, and opportunity to learn to feel the momentum in pvp and get adjusted to the speed of pvp.....without being overwhelmed too often before they can get back to a safe place...IE: Hide.
Once their game speed is better adjusted and they likely feel even more confident from sharks, they will try to use their AS(hopefully). The best part is that they can do this, once again, in relative safety. They can run back and forth, side to side, jumping and hopping all over trying to target that happy footed blaster, all while they are hidden, and again, relatively safe during their futile struggle to fire off their first AS. Eventually they may pull one off. Eventually(hopefully) they will try to follow up with placate+sharks, thus learning to efficiently kill your average squishy's.
I can't think of a better AT to learn on than a stalker......
If you are there to learn, i mean really learn....the stalker is perfect to learn on. You wont find an easier transition from pve to pvp, imo. They are a simple AT to play. Not too much to worry about or focus on. They offer opportunity for easy kills, opportunity to only engage in fights when "you" want to about 90%+ of the time because....its more difficult to start fighting with something you cant see. They offer an easy sanction every 8 seconds or so, via Hide. They can navigate to the action more easily without being ganked otw back to his/her team.
The stalker simply offers the easiest way for a new player to become more acclimated to pvp.
Its a great teacher of mechanics as well. I know when I'm on my stalker I appreciate AT's with status control powers, thus showing me how important they are to a team and to a spike. The status powers make getting off an AS infinitely easier for a stalker....which often leads a PvP'er to thinking it might be fun to hold down some fools for some stalkers. Now that stalker might have a pretty good understanding of his/her role as a control AT when they do roll that squish toon. They will also know how fast one can die if they aren't paying attention. They should also have a better understanding of how to stay alive against a stalker because they (hopefully) paid attention to the squishy's who kept "getting away" from their stalker.....then try to duplicate what those folks did.
Stalkers are an awesome AT to learn PVP on. They are like having training wheels on. They are a great starter AT for the novice player. I cannot speak about any disadvantages that may go along with said player while they are a stalker, but the AT in general is one of the best to start with. It's easy mode and feels like you are "taking a break" most of the time you are playing. Its one of my favorite toons to introduce pvp with. You can relax most of the time and still end up with a ton of kills. Pure win for the newer player.
I'd agree with Jonny on Stalkers being an excellent first AT for PvP newbies.
A fully stealth-capped stalker can safely observe what works, what doesn't,
get a good handle on what powersets have what "tricks", and pick exactly
when to jump into a battle, and more importantly (imho) when to get out
of one.
To that end, most stalkers have more tools to escape a fight if/when it
goes south than other AT's.
I'd also agree with Spines or Elec as a good primary coupled with either
/WP or /Nin as a secondary (even if I still am partial to my NB/Nin)
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Stalkers are a terrible starter AT. It will not teach a new play skills that can transfer to any other AT, and what it does teach amounts to bad habits that would get them killed on any other AT. There are easily more bad PvPers playing Stalkers right now than any other AT and it is exactly for the reasons you guys want them to do it.
Probably the most important general skill you can have in PvP is evasion. Playing a Stalker will not teach that skill since evasion on a Stalker requires phase or a tier 9 power and waiting 8 seconds. Hell you don't even have to move more than 10 feet. Try that on any other AT and see how well it works. I don't give a crap about a new players feelings about getting killed. Getting killed is just another aspect of the game and happens to even the best players. They need to get killed since they will never learn how NOT to get killed otherwise. Blasters, Corruptors and even Defenders are all great ATs for that purpose and are all capable of racking up kills while teaching a new player essential survival skills they will never get on a Stalker. Skills that will carry over to other ATs.
The original poster is looking for the best builds so that he can pwn. Let em' pwn or get pwn'd is what I say. Not sure he's really looking to make it a learning experience, but we tried. For all we know he could be another El Chido in the making. Oh hell...
Elec, Spines, Claws/WP, Nin, Regen would all be decent choices with triple proc'd AS and Shrakz.
As far as Stalkers being a good choice for learning PvP on, it's not. Seriously, it may be easy to start off on, but you're not going to get that much better from auto following targets in hide and trowin' shrakz. You're only going to get good at evasion if you're being attacked a lot and in result you'll die a lot.
I like Stalkers and even started PvP'ing on one myself, however it's harder to get better in all the principles of PvP with such an easy to use AT. Now, with that said, there are a ton of bad Stalkers around who can't AS at all, even with a stupid mechanic like TS, as there is some skill involved in that.
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Originally Posted by Antigonus
Stalkers are a terrible starter AT. It will not teach a new play skills that can transfer to any other AT, and what it does teach amounts to bad habits that would get them killed on any other AT. There are easily more bad PvPers playing Stalkers right now than any other AT and it is exactly for the reasons you guys want them to do it.
Probably the most important general skill you can have in PvP is evasion. Playing a Stalker will not teach that skill since evasion on a Stalker requires phase or a tier 9 power and waiting 8 seconds. Hell you don't even have to move more than 10 feet. Try that on any other AT and see how well it works. I don't give a crap about a new players feelings about getting killed. Getting killed is just another aspect of the game and happens to even the best players. They need to get killed since they will never learn how NOT to get killed otherwise. Blasters, Corruptors and even Defenders are all great ATs for that purpose and are all capable of racking up kills while teaching a new player essential survival skills they will never get on a Stalker. Skills that will carry over to other ATs. |
Antigonus, sorry I called you dumb. I don't like it when others do that to people and I was wrong for attacking you personally. My apologies, I was rude. I made it personal because I didn't agree with your opinion. Everyone is entitled to have an opinion and express it here. I'll work on it.
That being said, scrappers clearly dominate the bad player market in pvp, not stalkers. Hell 60% of all players are on scrappers whenever I'm in RV, sometimes more. I think scrappers provide players with more false securities and bad habits than any other AT out there. Someday I'll make one.
But.......I guess we will have to agree to disagree about whether a stalker provides the better opportunity for a new player to learn. My philosophy about learning is different than yours and that's ok I spose. Not everyone learns the same way eh?
Either way, I'm of the mindset that an easy experience is a better experience to keep new players coming back. However, if they "really" want to learn, they will learn regardless of their starting AT. I just find that whenever I bring a novice pvp'r into the zones, they are more willing to come back if they didn't die 10-15 times every hour. I'm sure you'll agree, you gotta work pretty hard at it if you want to die that often on a stalker.
While a stalker doesn't provide you with many of the high end pvp skills one will eventually want to acquire, I still think it presents the best opportunity for starter players to acclimate themselves to pvp, its speed, it's extreme spikes, and momentum shifts. I never said it creates great players or even good players. I just said it presents a good "training wheels" AT as their first experience to PvP.
Well, i was just searching the forums for info on starting to seriously pvp, and although this is an older post, it was helpful in making a decision on what AT i wanted to start with, As i have only arena matched a few times with friends and did zone pvp a few times, still i see the merits of both arguments...my 2 cents...it depends on the person....me....i'd rather have i toon i could survive on a bit and watch how things go down, i think i will learn better that way, but i see how it could hamper later learning, so ima roll with a blaster also, but after i have a little fun on a stalker (em/elec), first, tks for the info,
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I would have to disagree. I for one never touched a stalker when I first started 'stalking' in pvp. Yes, I am certainly not the greatest stalker in pvp, but I didn't get yelled at in the leagues either, which I'm still not sure if that is a bad thing or not knowing the crowd.|
Originally Posted by Antigonus
If you are relatively new to the game and PvP, please do not make a Stalker until you fully understand PvP. I don't say this to be insulting or critical, but there are just sooooooooo many bad Stalkers in the game that it makes me cringe every time I see somebody with a new forum registration date asking about Stalker builds.
99% of Stalkers in the game right now are just frustrated Blasters. If you are going to make a Stalker, please please please understand your role and your powers and don't just spam ranged attacks from hide because that will only get you laughed at. |
Honestly any form or combo of stalker can team pvp as you rely on your basic AS, Range, and placate. The only thing I would worry about is the activation times of energy melee, but once again it is how and when you choose to use certain attacks. However, in regards to 'skill', practice makes perfect, how can one learn anything if they don't try it.
Besides, the world needs one less Psi blaster and more frickin' sharks with frickin' laser beams attached to their frickin' head..
"I'M THE TARGET! I'M THE TARGET! THE STALKER HAS SHARKS! AP...AP!!"
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I'm planning on rolling a stalker but I don't know what to make it.
What are the top 5 best stalker builds?