By
Adeon Hawkwood,
Posted on: 2010-11-09 08:21 in The Market and Inventions
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Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
One simple solution to the entire problem would be market caps.
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Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
One simple solution to the entire problem would be market caps. Say, cap any listing price for Purps at 250 mil. Cap any for common salvage at 10,000 , etc. All of these valuations have already been placed by the designers. By enforcing a market cap on them they would allow the market to work, yet reduce the abuse to their system of the few preying on the many.
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Originally Posted by ChaosExMachina
You do realize that the steadfast protection +def is actually better than the PVP IO, but costs only 50m or less, don't you?
Thus it should be obvious that the price is due to supply, and that only those who want to stack both of them need to buy it? |
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Originally Posted by Roderick
Wait, better?
I thought that they were more or less identical, like comparing the Steadfast -KB IO to the Zephyr one? |
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Originally Posted by all_hell
I think that the steadfast one provide some res whereas the other one doesn't
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Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
Actually, although I am sure this statement will be twisted, vilified, lampooned, and generally walked on, I care about gameplay. I fully have the ability to market, although it has been insinuated on the boards that basic addition escapes me. I think of myself, new to the game a few years ago, and what would make the experience more enjoyable for a new player. One simple solution to the entire problem would be market caps. Say, cap any listing price for Purps at 250 mil. Cap any for common salvage at 10,000 , etc. All of these valuations have already been placed by the designers. By enforcing a market cap on them they would allow the market to work, yet reduce the abuse to their system of the few preying on the many. I game mostly with adults when I play, having a couple channels where hard core gamers congregate stored on my toons. Great Task Forces, Hami Raids, a sweet ride. This took a long time to develop. i still remember street hunting in Port Oales with no idea what I was doing. I also remember finding out how twisted the market truly was. One of the reasons I play this particular game is the complexity of character design, from costume/animations/thru build out. For a small percentage of the gaming community to corner the market on rare (but not nigh impossible) to get items is silly. It does nothing to forward the goals of NCsoft in marketing the game to new players. This is my true belief, and the information that i will be sending to the development staff.
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I think you've picked an atrocious poster child for your campaign. If there's anything that fits the combination of extremely low supply with high desirability by extreme players, it's the PvP +Defense IO. And bear in mind that extreme players are far and away the most likely to be the richest players in the game, by virtue of being the most likely to invest lots of time played, lots of time played on 50s, and intimate knowledge of the game's mechanics.
Are there things that people "corner" in the sense you mean? Yes. When it happens, does it raise their prices? Yes.
Does the market need players performing those actions in order to be healthy? No, but I think that's the wrong question. The question is, what has to be done to the market to limit those behaviors? What are the impacts of those changes on the market not just as a inter-player trade tool, but as an intentional, dev-sanctioned mini-game and, most likely, a "time sink" of its own? What are the design and development overheads for the devs of the changes you would propose? How are the devs likely to prioritize those changes relative to, say, new mission and powers mechanics for new issues? How much perceived risk to the market system does implementing the changes entail?
In other words, be ready for your cure to be perceived as worse than the disease, for the disease to be considered a low priority, and for your ability to correctly diagnose the root cause of the disease to be questioned. Not just by forumites, but by devs who may never give you an answer one way or other.
And really, really be prepared to not get much traction if your thesis is "the market needs to be changed because it makes it really hard for me to buy an extremely rare, extremely valuable IO."
Edit: If your proposed solution is market caps, I am forced to agree with others - you really have no idea what you're doing. Market caps will not ever do what you want. You will trade extremely high prices for extremely long lines. You will change being able to eventually afford something that others have not yet been (or will not be) able to afford to being in a long line with tons of other people who can afford the same things you can. It will have no appreciable affect on game supply, and will probably reduce market supply due to off-market sales. You will not improve your ability to attain your goals - in fact, you will change from having control over your own destiny to handing your destiny over to the market queuing mechanism. Do not want.
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Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
So, it has become abundantly clear why some items cost 2 Billion per enhancer. It is a trick outlawed on Wall Street. It is called cornering the market. Take corn for instance. Buy up all the corn, or corn futures, that will arrive on Wall Street for the year. Then set your own price as to the selling price corn we be for that year. THis is especially easy to do in the game with items that are limited drops. (like PvP I/Os, purps, etc.)
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Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
One simple solution to the entire problem would be market caps. Say, cap any listing price for Purps at 250 mil. Cap any for common salvage at 10,000 , etc.
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To OP, I don't agree with you in the slightest and I don't think most people would either. But I will be fascinated to read your letter to the devs and to hear what response you get back from them.
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Originally Posted by all_hell
I think that the steadfast one provide some res whereas the other one doesn't
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Originally Posted by Sharker_Quint
that is correct. the PvP one provides a chance at teleport resist.
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I've been trying, yes, actually trying, to corner the market with regenerating fleshs. I've been buying up as much stock as possible, deleting the overflow, and listing what i have left at really high prices, but as i'm only doing it on one character, its have absolutely 0 impact on the market. Yes, i buy up alot of the salvage, yes my salvage then sells, but then i recheck the prices, and they are going for a fraction of what im listing at.
Its supply and demand. This salvage is so common that no matter how much money i throw into it, i will not control it all.
Whats affecting the PvP IOs *which mind you are the only ones peaking at 2+Billion each* is SUPPLY. These IOs are RARE. Actually, RARE is a understatement. You have a CHANCE to get a drop every 10 minutes, and it doesnt matter if you've gotten a drop or not, once you roll that chance, you have to WAIT 10 more minutes before you have another CHANCE to get it.
And even then, its a chance to get ANY PvP IO. So more often then not, your gonna get the one you don't want, and not one of the uniques. This is why the prices are so high. Not cornering.
The Market Forum is definitely much like the last 5 minutes of GI Joe episode from the mid eighties
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Originally Posted by Fulmens
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But I keep listening and learning. Remember, the more you pound a brute the stronger he gets.
Y'know, the more I think about this, the more I realize The Problem Is Him. He farmed up 2.5 billion inf. Whoever sells him 2.5 billion inf of stuff will spend 2.25 billion inf on stuff, leaving about 2.0 billion, then 1.8 billion, 1.6, 1.45, 1.3, 1.15, 1.0 ... he's going to personally make it possible for eight people to put up bids of over a billion on stuff.
Tsk, tsk.
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Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
But I keep listening and learning. Remember, the more you pound a brute the stronger he gets.
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As stated in my other response, let's keep this to one thread. It doesn't make any sense at all to have three threads on the same subject.