Don't tell the Midnighter Club about Ouroboros...
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Adeon Hawkwood,
Posted on: 2010-11-08 15:53 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
I'm pretty sure they already know 
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Maybe they tried many times and all other outcomes were worse?
Or the Time Police stopped them ...
I have a time travel manners and etiquette question.
If Mister Montecristo of the MIdnighters sends me back in time to Crimeroa and tells me this time travel excursion I'm about to go on should be kept secret from Mender Nemesis is it rude of me to use my Oportal to get back to Paragon and my time?
I never use the ourobouros portal from within Cimerora or the Midnighter club.
I'd rather that there was another force more or less escaping the notice of ourobouros that could potentially oppose them should their actions prove less than benign for us.
<shrug>
A minor matter of RP reasoning influencing gameplay, but it works for me 
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The above post may contain Cynicism, sarcasm and/or pessimism. If you object to the quantities contained, then tough.
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Why would they ambush the Rikti? Wouldn't it be better to (a) warn them and/or (b) try to block Nemesis somehow?
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Originally Posted by Marcian Tobay
They'd just go back in time and ambush the Rikti. It'd prevent all of this from happening, and we wouldn't have this great MMO we have today...
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Do the Midnighters know it was Nemesis?
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
Why would they ambush the Rikti? Wouldn't it be better to (a) warn them and/or (b) try to block Nemesis somehow?
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Surely they realize Everything's a Nemesis plot
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Originally Posted by Shadow State
Do the Midnighters know it was Nemesis?
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For shame!
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Seriously! If I had done everything one's Hero had theoretically done, I'd go straight to the Midnighters pre-Rikti and say "Just a heads up, your people are going to die in the dozens (maybe hundreds) because you alone had the power to prevent a war that should have never happened."
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Originally Posted by Eislor
You mean you haven't told them yet!?
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LOL! This is a funny post!
Mender Silos might have found a way to stop them going back in that partiular time stream - or the Mysterious Letter Writer who gave the Midnighters their crystal might have made sure it couldn't access that time stream.
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They did go back in time to stop the Rikti invasion. But then, they had no reason to go back since the Rikti didn't invade, so then they didn't go back, and thus the Rikti invaded.
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Originally Posted by Zombie Man
They did go back in time to stop the Rikti invasion. But then, they had no reason to go back since the Rikti didn't invade, so then they didn't go back, and thus the Rikti invaded.
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Causality loop? Inconceivable.
That and Monti discovered he is his own grandpa.
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All the answers to why the Midnighters did/will not go back in time to prevent the Rikti invasion are held in the Book of K'Gar.
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Originally Posted by Marcian Tobay
Seriously! If I had done everything one's Hero had theoretically done, I'd go straight to the Midnighters pre-Rikti and say "Just a heads up, your people are going to die in the dozens (maybe hundreds) because you alone had the power to prevent a war that should have never happened."
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Actually, they DID go back.
That branch of the timestream prevented the Rikti invasion but it created Praetoria.
Every action has consequences. Just ask Oeidpus.
No, this is not serious. For one thing, Praetorian Marcus Cole killed Stefan Richter as I understand the history there. (Has that been ret-conned since GR launched?) Any messing around with time that split Praetoria off from "our" Universe would have to have happened much farther back.
Still, the point is a good one. A world without a Rikti invasion wouldn't necessarily be a happier world. It might just be a world where a different catastrophe occurred. Say, one where my hero achieved absolute power and destroyed everyone and everything but himself...
One thing we know about time in the "City of" universe: You can look at it as a stream or you can look at it as potential. Ubellman is an example of the former. Recluse's Victory and Orobouros are examples of the latter.
I think that the reason we DON'T have a bunch of people meddling directly with the time stream is that the Metaverse meddles back. It isn't as simple as preventing your enemy's parents from meeting, especially if the desired result requires any kind of subtlety. Attempts at gross changes cause equally gross results, or as in the case of Ubellman, are canceled by the actions of others.
Tyrant killing Praetorian Richer is mentioned in at least one of the GR missions, so it's still canon - although in a comic book world, death is sometimes just a minor problem on your career path
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When Montague Castaneda sends you to Cimerora, he mentions that they got the Pillar of Ice and Fire from a 'different' source, implying that they already know about Cimerora.
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Originally Posted by Adeon Hawkwood
I'm pretty sure they already know
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It actually not that bad of a theory given that the earliest divergences we know of is that Gerhardt Eisenstadt never became Nemesis and there for couldn't trigger the Rikti invasion
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Originally Posted by SlickRiptide
Actually, they DID go back.
That branch of the timestream prevented the Rikti invasion but it created Praetoria. Every action has consequences. Just ask Oeidpus. No, this is not serious. For one thing, Praetorian Marcus Cole killed Stefan Richter as I understand the history there. (Has that been ret-conned since GR launched?) Any messing around with time that split Praetoria off from "our" Universe would have to have happened much farther back. |
Hmm, this does fit. Without the Rikti invasion, the War Walls were never built, so when Hamidon changed to his current state he wasn't contained, and easily spread across the world, leading to the Hamidon Wars of Praetorian Earth.
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But Praetorian Hamidon apparently showed up decades ago, while Primal Hamidon apparently only became an oozing mass of devouring glop after 2002, sometime after the Rikti invasion. No, I don't have an in-game explanation for this.|
Originally Posted by MiniNukette
Hmm, this does fit. Without the Rikti invasion, the War Walls were never built, so when Hamidon changed to his current state he wasn't contained, and easily spread across the world, leading to the Hamidon Wars of Praetorian Earth.
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I suspect the actual explanation for this is that when the background on Praetoria was being written, no one noticed the fact that the Devouring Earth were supposed to be a comparatively recent phenomenon. Perhaps the timing of their appearance hadn't been considered important before, so no one had bothered to write it down, and the devs can be forgiven for this particular slip.
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During the earliest talks about the differences in Praetorian and Primal histories the Devs made a point that the Devouring Earth developed earlier in Praetoria, partly due to nukes being used during the Korean War in Praetoria. It was most deffinetly not an accidental oversight
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Originally Posted by Olantern
But Praetorian Hamidon apparently showed up decades ago, while Primal Hamidon apparently only became an oozing mass of devouring glop after 2002, sometime after the Rikti invasion. No, I don't have an in-game explanation for this.
I suspect the actual explanation for this is that when the background on Praetoria was being written, no one noticed the fact that the Devouring Earth were supposed to be a comparatively recent phenomenon. Perhaps the timing of their appearance hadn't been considered important before, so no one had bothered to write it down, and the devs can be forgiven for this particular slip. |
They'd just go back in time and ambush the Rikti. It'd prevent all of this from happening, and we wouldn't have this great MMO we have today...