Female kittens/cats as viable Player Character models, please?
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Posted on: 2010-11-07 07:28 in Suggestions and Ideas
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I would gladly accept the concession of being able to lower the height slider to 1' tall if that is the only way to get AK down to her proper size.|
Originally Posted by Reiraku
I'm actually curious as to how disappointed the OP would be if a dev addressed them directly and said that not only was this idea not going to happen, but it wasn't even close to being near the radar.
If they did so, would you resign yourself to your character as they are, or would you simply continue as you are now? |
To answer your question: If a Dev posted what you have suggested, then AK & I would be crestfallen and would take her ball of yarn and go home, where we would be resigned to her fate as an anthropomophized catling.
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PvP reasoning aside, I believe there were a few more issues with costume modeling and textures not looking right beyond a certain range of proportions. It's unlikely that they'll have a slider go that low unless they figure out a way to re-map character models.
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I guess I have to ask: why would you make a character who you KNOW for a fact (at the time of creation) was NOT going to look "the way she is supposed to" and that there was no prospect of her looking that way... and no discussion of that happening?|
Originally Posted by Amerikatt
but I am very serious about wanting to see my character look the way she is supposed to.
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Am I the only one who makes characters within the confines of options we have available NOW so that I can enjoy them NOW and not be permanently miffed that they don't live up to my concept of them?
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Nope.
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Originally Posted by Thirty-Seven
I guess I have to ask: why would you make a character who you KNOW for a fact (at the time of creation) was NOT going to look "the way she is supposed to" and that there was no prospect of her looking that way... and no discussion of that happening?
Am I the only one who makes characters within the confines of options we have available NOW so that I can enjoy them NOW and not be permanently miffed that they don't live up to my concept of them? |
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The character concept was too good to pass up. I made her as small as I could and role-played her as a cat (correcting anyone who tried to make advances toward her, thinking she was a thrice-accursed catgirl).|
Originally Posted by Thirty-Seven
I guess I have to ask: why would you make a character who you KNOW for a fact (at the time of creation) was NOT going to look "the way she is supposed to" and that there was no prospect of her looking that way... and no discussion of that happening?
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The emphasis on her being a cat was further reinforced through her backstory and any RPing I did on the CoH roleplaying boards.
Thus, though I have 3 other Level 50's, a Level 46, and a Level 42, Amerikatt remains my favorite character (and the only one who will be receiving the benefits of Incarnatedom)!
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Sooooo... you created a character and then FORCED it into being something it could never be by using resources outside of the game that have infinite bounds (forum RP)... then come back to the game and ask for a feature so that your idea can come to fruition? Doesn't that seem a bit preposterous to you? If that seems overly mean, it is not my intention... I really am curious here.
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Originally Posted by BrandX
Nope.
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I'm curious if she's been spayed as to not increase the amount of unclaimed cats.
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Originally Posted by Amerikatt
The character concept was too good to pass up. I made her as small as I could and role-played her as a cat (correcting anyone who tried to make advances toward her, thinking she was a thrice-accursed catgirl).
The emphasis on her being a cat was further reinforced through her backstory and any RPing I did on the CoH roleplaying boards. Thus, though I have 3 other Level 50's, a Level 46, and a Level 42, Amerikatt remains my favorite character (and the only one who will be receiving the benefits of Incarnatedom)! |
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The textures and UV mapping should be fine scaled down*. Problems might come from scaling the skeleton and costume attachment points, though.|
Originally Posted by Reiraku
PvP reasoning aside, I believe there were a few more issues with costume modeling and textures not looking right beyond a certain range of proportions. It's unlikely that they'll have a slider go that low unless they figure out a way to re-map character models.
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* That is, until you reach small enough sizes that the UV mapping runs into floating point precision errors, but at that point either you can't see the model or your scene is set up such that you're getting precision errors on your renderer, too.
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That's actually my primary argument against unlockable costumes. Why would I want to make a character who won't be the way he's supposed to be until, like, level 35? Why, more specifically, when I'll never be happy enough with the character to get that high?
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Originally Posted by Thirty-Seven
I guess I have to ask: why would you make a character who you KNOW for a fact (at the time of creation) was NOT going to look "the way she is supposed to" and that there was no prospect of her looking that way... and no discussion of that happening?
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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Now THAT is a point with which I can totally agree.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
That's actually my primary argument against unlockable costumes. Why would I want to make a character who won't be the way he's supposed to be until, like, level 35? Why, more specifically, when I'll never be happy enough with the character to get that high?
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You've seen Mynx, right?
That's about as close as you can get. They put in plenty of elements in the costume creator to make a toon more cat-like, but that's as far as it goes. Something like Rakshasas, or Thundercats. I even made a claws scrapper long ago named Panther Girl, who's still on Champion I think. Haven't played her in years lol.
But, the good news is, people know if you're supposed to be a cat. Panther Girl would join a team, show up at the mission entrance, and some blaster dude in a ridiculous costume, with a name like "Fyre Ballin" would be there waiting for the team to gather. Invariably, he would say something like, "So youre a cat, huh?"
To which the proper reply, of course, is, "mew".
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No. I did not force Amerikatt into being anything. The character is further developed and enhanced by her backstory and the forum role-playing, and she is fun to play.|
Originally Posted by Thirty-Seven
Sooooo... you created a character and then FORCED it into being something it could never be by using resources outside of the game that have infinite bounds (forum RP)... then come back to the game and ask for a feature so that your idea can come to fruition? Doesn't that seem a bit preposterous to you? If that seems overly mean, it is not my intention... I really am curious here.
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With the exception of the model being used to represent her, she is as she should be. A reassignment of her model would certainly enhance my gaming experience, but, as I mentioned earlier, I would be willing to compromise if I could reduce her size below its current 4' height.
I'd also like actual fore- and hind- cat paws and an earless head model so that she doesn't have to wear long hair to hide those ridiculous Human ears which seem to be the default. I am absolutely certain that the Devs *can* deliver cat paws and a feline head model which does *not* have Human ears. This would also add to my immersion and would not require a herculean task in order to make Amerikatt look the way she should.
The addition of proper fore- & hind-paws, proper earless head model, and height slider extension should *all* be within the scope of both the game engine's parameters and the look I am requesting for my character.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
Why would I want to make a character who won't be the way he's supposed to be until, like, level 35? Why, more specifically, when I'll never be happy enough with the character to get that high?
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Well, I can speak for me, and I wouldn't have bothered. Games are supposed to be fun and entertainment. What games are not supposed to be is work, waiting and hardship. We have a very real world for that. Having to play a character who bugs me greatly because he or she is not "complete" really isn't something I want to do with my free time.
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Originally Posted by Amerikatt
I cannot speak for *you*, Sam, but my character concept required that I wait patiently until Amerikatt was Level 26 in order for her to be the way I envisioned her. That's right! I waded through Levels 1-25 just so that Amerikatt could get her Heal Other power, which is the power which means the most to her! I am an ardent roleplayer, after all!
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
Well, I can speak for me, and I wouldn't have bothered. Games are supposed to be fun and entertainment. What games are not supposed to be is work, waiting and hardship. We have a very real world for that. Having to play a character who bugs me greatly because he or she is not "complete" really isn't something I want to do with my free time.
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Plenty of people have to wait to complete their characters because the devs have chosen to make certain things unlock at higher levels. Look at the ITF. I refused to create my Roman warrior for a year because I was waiting for the Valentines Event so I could at least have a toga costume to wear while I waited to get high enough to do the ITF.
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You're asking the devs to change the default model or add a new "hair w/o ears" option and to vet all the pre-existing maps to work with a new minute height in order to fulfill your niche request, despite all the labor it would entail (Herculean isn't entirely hyperbolic)? Again, there's no harm in wishing, but this isn't precisely a solid negotiating position.|
Originally Posted by Amerikatt
I would be willing to compromise if I could reduce her size below its current 4' height.
I'd also like actual fore- and hind- cat paws and an earless head model so that she doesn't have to wear long hair to hide those ridiculous Human ears which seem to be the default. |
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
Games are supposed to be fun and entertainment. What games are not supposed to be is work, waiting and hardship.
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However, I can see the logic behind certain globally unlockable costume pieces instead of having to run through the same content for every character. After all, veteran reward costume pieces can be globally applied, so there is a precedent.
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Honestly, the head model should have been adjusted *years* ago! |
Originally Posted by TrueGentleman
You're asking the devs to change the default model or add a new "hair w/o ears" option and to vet all the pre-existing maps to work with a new minute height in order to fulfill your niche request, despite all the labor it would entail (Herculean isn't entirely hyperbolic)? Again, there's no harm in wishing, but this isn't precisely a solid negotiating position.
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Why is there a head *with* ears to which we then add a *second* set of ears from the 'Ears' menu? That's *four* ears!
What I am requesting is the ears on the default head be removed. That way, people can add the ears of their choice and not be *required* to use long hair to hide the second pair of ears. Human ears *are* an option on the 'Ears' menu, after all!
Also, I do not believe that it should be too much of a technical task to make cat paws for the front and hind legs. There are already monster claws and monster legs/feet (which I have had to use in order to approximate AK's paws), but they are *not* the proper features. I don't see it requiring anything more than a reskinning to make them more appropriate.
I understand that there are technical issues with resizing and lowering the Height Slider, but I am sure that I am not the only person who would like their characters to be the right size.
What about all of the people who have insect or butterfly wings?
On the other end of the spectrum, what about also extending the Height Slider upwards to accomodate people whose characters have dragon wings?
I believe that I have shown great flexibility in my request. If an actual cat model is not feasible because of technical and time constraints, then perhaps the Devs will at least stop to consider my compromises.
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He's the shoulder cat, riding on one of his demons. 8)
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Originally Posted by Amerikatt
Honestly, the head model should have been adjusted *years* ago!
Why is there a head *with* ears to which we then add a *second* set of ears from the 'Ears' menu? That's *four* ears! What I am requesting is the ears on the default head be removed. That way, people can add the ears of their choice and not be *required* to use long hair to hide the second pair of ears. Human ears *are* an option on the 'Ears' menu, after all! |
Now, this? This should be in game. I've always wondered why the hell we have to get stuck with 4 ears and thus limited hair options. I have at least two characters who use non-human ears who cant change hair due to the fact the human ears dont go away when you select alternate ears, even though that should be an option.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
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"I want a new model added to the game just for me, but I'm willing to compromise if the Devs will change model scaling just for me."
That's a bit like saying I want [supermodel] but will "settle" for [actor].
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Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
Now, this? This should be in game. I've always wondered why the hell we have to get stuck with 4 ears and thus limited hair options. I have at least two characters who use non-human ears who cant change hair due to the fact the human ears dont go away when you select alternate ears, even though that should be an option.
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This is something the devs should have addressed at the very beginning. (Evidently they were thinking of only Catwoman and forgot about Streaky.) Unfortunately, to change this now - tearing off the ears of the default head model - would be a nightmare for quality control. It would require checking literally every human head with ears in order to prevent them from potentially turning into something worse than Facemaker. David Nakayama had made it clear he's got plenty on his plate with legacy costume pieces before attempting to revise the basic models. We could be waiting for CoX2 before we got this...|
Originally Posted by Amerikatt
Honestly, the head model should have been adjusted *years* ago!
Why is there a head *with* ears to which we then add a *second* set of ears from the 'Ears' menu? That's *four* ears! |
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| Also, I do not believe that it should be too much of a technical task to make cat paws for the front and hind legs. |
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| I understand that there are technical issues with resizing and lowering the Height Slider, but I am sure that I am not the only person who would like their characters to be the right size. |
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| I believe that I have shown great flexibility in my request. If an actual cat model is not feasible because of technical and time constraints, then perhaps the Devs will at least stop to consider my compromises. |
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Wait a minute. |
Originally Posted by Amerikatt
Honestly, the head model should have been adjusted *years* ago!
Why is there a head *with* ears to which we then add a *second* set of ears from the 'Ears' menu? That's *four* ears! What I am requesting is the ears on the default head be removed. That way, people can add the ears of their choice and not be *required* to use long hair to hide the second pair of ears. Human ears *are* an option on the 'Ears' menu, after all! Also, I do not believe that it should be too much of a technical task to make cat paws for the front and hind legs. There are already monster claws and monster legs/feet (which I have had to use in order to approximate AK's paws), but they are *not* the proper features. I don't see it requiring anything more than a reskinning to make them more appropriate. I understand that there are technical issues with resizing and lowering the Height Slider, but I am sure that I am not the only person who would like their characters to be the right size. What about all of the people who have insect or butterfly wings? On the other end of the spectrum, what about also extending the Height Slider upwards to accomodate people whose characters have dragon wings? I believe that I have shown great flexibility in my request. If an actual cat model is not feasible because of technical and time constraints, then perhaps the Devs will at least stop to consider my compromises. |
You can envision, imagine, RP, that your character looks like an actual cat, but the one thing you can't do, is RP that those human ears aren't there?
I really don't see the difference.
Also, you could use pointy ears as cat ears (works for the thundercats you mentioned) instead of the cat ears option, for your cat as well.
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That's one thing I've always wanted, even if it comes in the form of cat gloves. We already have monstrous, so cat gloves wouldn't be too much different. Yes, it does depend on demand, but I feel pieces like this one - more specifically, pieces which open up entire new branches of designs - should be given somewhat of a higher priority than "angular tech glove #52."
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Originally Posted by TrueGentleman
That might be an easier request to fulfill (easier than getting fingers, at least). Getting to it depends in part on demand, though.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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I'd love for some glove boots options that where large kitty paws!
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
That's one thing I've always wanted, even if it comes in the form of cat gloves. We already have monstrous, so cat gloves wouldn't be too much different. Yes, it does depend on demand, but I feel pieces like this one - more specifically, pieces which open up entire new branches of designs - should be given somewhat of a higher priority than "angular tech glove #52."
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