Secret Identities


Amerikatt

 

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Has CoX ever considered giving players secret identities? this is what i'm proposing:

  • create a new costume slot which only has access to civilian costume pieces.
  • lock that toon out from primary and secondary powersets, leaving only inherent such as sprint, rest, brawl...
  • players in their secret identities would get tips in the day job locations

this would allow it to be totally optional whether players wanted to have a secret identity or not, but with the incentive of tip missions. also, it would create a new vulnerability for characters. can you imagine walking down the streets of Atlas Park as a civilian and being attacked by Hellions - only to emote into your costume and do battle? so cool!


 

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1. Who's to decide what is a civilian costume piece?
2. You can already sort of do that by using walk but I'm not sure how this would have to do anything with having secret identities unless you're a tech-themed character without all his/her gadgets. You're otherwise still going to have all your powers. This is an RP matter, not a game mechanic matter imo.
3. I guess this makes sense on an RP level, overhearing gossip and such.

Overall it's a neat idea but I'd probably never end up using it.


 

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Originally Posted by ForeverChild View Post
can you imagine walking down the streets of Atlas Park as a civilian and being attacked by Hellions
No, I can't.
Is it going to set my level to 1 while I'm in 'civilian mode' or something?
Why would I give up all my powers to move slower through zones?
What sort of tips are you talking about, anyway? What could I hear in there that I couldn't somewhere else?

Really, use one of the 5 slots you can get, make a civilian outfit, and then use Walk.
I already make a civilian/casual outfit for my characters.


 

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Originally Posted by Symar View Post
No, I can't.
Is it going to set my level to 1 while I'm in 'civilian mode' or something?
Why would I give up all my powers to move slower through zones?
What sort of tips are you talking about, anyway? What could I hear in there that I couldn't somewhere else?

Really, use one of the 5 slots you can get, make a civilian outfit, and then use Walk.
I already make a civilian/casual outfit for my characters.
Ditto. My first 50, about 3 years ago, used one of his costume slots for civvies. I'd usually wear the civvies to a mish, when on a team, and change once the mish started. Depending on whether it's appropriate to the character. I'll usually devote one costume slot to civilian clothes and move around in them, on the way to mishes and change before starting. I also like to costume change emotes, makes it a little more dramatic when the change happens...


 

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Originally Posted by ForeverChild View Post
Has CoX ever considered giving players secret identities? this is what i'm proposing:
  • create a new costume slot which only has access to civilian costume pieces.
  • lock that toon out from primary and secondary powersets, leaving only inherent such as sprint, rest, brawl...
  • players in their secret identities would get tips in the day job locations
this would allow it to be totally optional whether players wanted to have a secret identity or not, but with the incentive of tip missions. also, it would create a new vulnerability for characters. can you imagine walking down the streets of Atlas Park as a civilian and being attacked by Hellions - only to emote into your costume and do battle? so cool!

CoX has already implemented their version of Secret Identities. They are called Day Jobs. It's what your characters are doing when you aren't logged into the game.

While I'm not opposed to more costume slots, we already have the ability to make 5 different costume for various purposes.

For Example:

1. Hero Costume
2. SG Costume
3. Day Job Costume
4. Night Out Costume
5. Holiday Event Costume

Furthermore if you want to blend in with the civilian NPC's that's what Walk is for.


 

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Plus we are government registered heroes. Everyone already knows that we have superpowers. Mostly because 99% of all Paragon citizens have superpowers (and this doesn't include otherworld born heroes). So what's the point?


 

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I'd rather see more costume slots (Ideally five new ones) than 'secret identities'. Why would my Fire/Fire blaster suddenly lose her powers just because she's hidden her demon wings and tail and is wearing civvies? She can still barbeque anything stupid enough to get in her way.


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Originally Posted by ForeverChild View Post
Has CoX ever considered giving players secret identities?
Yes, actually. Many times before. And the problems always remain the same:

1. Not all characters have secret identities. Not all characters COULD. When your character is a 10-foot-tall giant robot, you're really not going to pass off as a regular human. Or, on the flip side, when your characters hates all of humanity and is set to pretty much destroy everything, he wouldn't go about masquerading as a civilian. The Banished Pantheon cultists certainly never do.

2. You can already do that. Devote one costume slot to civvies, turn on walk and start walking around. A special game mechanic to do pretty much exactly this is not needed.

3. How do you define what "civvies" is? Just pants and jackets? Suppose my dude is a member of... What was that band which wore robot helmets to public appearances? I don't remember... What else? Oh, what if my guy were a member of Slipknot? Didn't Prince walk around with a long cape for a while?

Considering none of the Freedom Phalanx actually have secret identities, I don't think this is something that deserves an entire subsystem devoted to it.


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3. How do you define what "civvies" is? Just pants and jackets? Suppose my dude is a member of... What was that band which wore robot helmets to public appearances?
If your referring to Daft Punk, I will destroy your homeworld for forgetting their name. DAFT PUNK FOREVER!


 

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If your referring to Daft Punk, I will destroy your homeworld for forgetting their name. DAFT PUNK FOREVER!
Daft Punk, yes. I don't know why I drew such a blank about them, considering I know who they are, I know some of their works and I've even seen interviews with the guys. They're civilians and they get to wear robot helmets, that our own are more than suspiciously close to


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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow View Post
When your character is a 10-foot-tall giant robot, you're really not going to pass off as a regular human.
Sure you could! Have him wear a hat!

Civilian 1: Oh my god! Look it's MegapunchBotX000!
Civilian 2: What? No, that's just Martin, he works in accounting.
Civ1: But... he's huge, and looks all robotic like.
Civ2: Yeah, but he's wearing a hat. Hats are used to keep your body heat, since like 80% of that is lost through the top of your head. Why would a robot need to keep it's body heat?
Civ1: Hrm.. yeah, I guess you're right. Must not be him.


 

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Originally Posted by Maniac_Raid View Post
Sure you could! Have him wear a hat!

Civilian 1: Oh my god! Look it's MegapunchBotX000!
Civilian 2: What? No, that's just Martin, he works in accounting.
Civ1: But... he's huge, and looks all robotic like.
Civ2: Yeah, but he's wearing a hat. Hats are used to keep your body heat, since like 80% of that is lost through the top of your head. Why would a robot need to keep it's body heat?
Civ1: Hrm.. yeah, I guess you're right. Must not be him.
Plus robots have perfect vision. He is wearing glasses. QED.


 

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Civilians are invincible. Sure, they get mugged and kidnapped all the time, but they're apparently 100% resistant to all damage. Turning us into one of them would be over-powered.


They do get a cool-looking "Sprint" power with that crazy panicked run that they do.


My only real problem with secret identities is my character name. Okay, so I change into my civies but I've still got "Captain Super-Hero" above my head. Lots of people are just going to ignore my carefully written RP bio which explains everything they need to know about my character at a glance and just blurt out my secret identity while I'm walking around in civilian attire.

Me: Ho-hum, just walking to work at my Hospital day job. Sure hope no one bothers me. OH NO! A group of Outcasts... *GASP* There are too many people around to change into my costume... everyone will know that Joe Smith is really Captain Super-Hero! Whatever will I do?
Hero: Hey, Captain Super-Hero... let's take out these Outcasts then head over to Positron. I hear he's got something special for us.
Me: #%$@!!
Hero: What?
Me: I'm in disguise. No one's supposed to know who I am.
Hero: LMAO, shut up. You want in on Posi TF or what?


 

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Originally Posted by Maniac_Raid View Post
Sure you could! Have him wear a hat!

Civilian 1: Oh my god! Look it's MegapunchBotX000!
Civilian 2: What? No, that's just Martin, he works in accounting.
Civ1: But... he's huge, and looks all robotic like.
Civ2: Yeah, but he's wearing a hat. Hats are used to keep your body heat, since like 80% of that is lost through the top of your head. Why would a robot need to keep it's body heat?
Civ1: Hrm.. yeah, I guess you're right. Must not be him.
Chicken Boo!


 

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Originally Posted by Symar View Post
Chicken Boo!
And of course one of my favorites...

The Shoveller: If we had a billionaire like Lance Hunt as our benefactor...
Mr. Furious: That's because Lance Hunt *IS* Captain Amazing
The Shoveller: Don't start that *again*. Lance Hunt wears glasses. Captain Amazing *doesn't* wear glasses.
Mr. Furious: He takes them off when he transforms.
The Shoveller: That doesn't make any sense, he wouldn't be able to see.


 

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There is much wisdom in the Shoveller's words.


 

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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow View Post
They're civilians and they get to wear robot helmets, that our own are more than suspiciously close to
This is actually false.

Daft Punk really ARE superheroes.


 

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Originally Posted by ForeverChild View Post
Has CoX ever considered giving players secret identities?
I think between using the Walk power, Day Jobs and the costume slots we have most of what you propose can be handled by simply RPing it. Instead of the Devs giving us a full-blown dedicated secret identity system all we really need is the ability to have more than 5 costume slots per character. If the Devs allowed us the option to buy more slots that would solve most lingering RP limitations like this.


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Originally Posted by Symar View Post
Really, use one of the 5 slots you can get, make a civilian outfit, and then use Walk.
I already make a civilian/casual outfit for my characters.
This.


to TO THE END!
Villains are those who dedicate their lives to causing mayhem. Villians are people from the planet Villia!

 

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Originally Posted by Next_Player View Post
Civilians are invincible. Sure, they get mugged and kidnapped all the time, but they're apparently 100% resistant to all damage. Turning us into one of them would be over-powered.


They do get a cool-looking "Sprint" power with that crazy panicked run that they do.
Of all thier powers, I want thier "Prestige Sprint: Flee". That's all. Just that one.


 

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In order to make civilian identities work as the OP suggests, I'm thinking we'd have to have something along the lines of a whole new interface. One where you:

1. Choose your civilian name. Superman is "Clark Kent" when he's in civvies. Batman is "Bruce Wayne." Who are you?
2. Choose which costume slot contains your civilian outfit.
3. (Optionally) Restrict that slot to these supposedly civilian-only clothes. Presumably, these are pants, shirts, coats, and the like. No pauldrons, armor, weapons, capes, spikey belts, or revealing clothes. And only solid colors. No auras.
4. Choose your civilian/superhero transformation emote. Cuz, when you decide to switch from civilian to superhero, you'll likely want it to be dramatic.

We'd also have to make civilian mode a toggle-power. You click the power, and your costume-change emote from step 4 above fires, and you're in civilian mode. Now you can only walk, can't use your powers, and you're dressed and known as Joe Schmoe, civilian at large, who can only walk.

Click it again and your costume-change emote fires, and you're SuperGuyExtreme, superhero or supervillain at large, with full access to his powers.

Having said all that, it seems like an awful lot of work to me. And what happens when you do get attacked? Stunned? Slept? Held? All of that would have to be resolved.

No, I'm fairly happy with the idea that my character's secret identity is ME.


 

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2 though 4 are already easily done in the current game.


 

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Originally Posted by Amerikatt View Post
I'm a cat!

I'd look REALLY silly wearing specs to hide my heroic identity!

Besides, it's not like specs are the greatest way to hide one's identity.

Oh, wait!


 

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Originally Posted by Symar View Post
2 though 4 are already easily done in the current game.
When I was drawing up that list, I was talking about a single, cohesive interface that would dictate how the toggle power behaved. Sorry I didn't make that clear.