1) Invuln/Ice should work out pretty well. It's got a few things going for it: Ice Patch can help you take less damage, while also keeping those foes contributing to your Defense against the foes not flopping about. Also, Invuln, since it doesn't have a damage aura, can make good use of Frozen Aura, which will sleep mobs after it hits them for damage, as long as you don't have the Ice Patch down knocking them over.
This can allow you to keep one spawn (or some of it, at least) flopping around on the Ice Patch, and another spawn slept, making you pretty safe.
2) Elec Armor is a weird beast. It's good on Tankers, especially when combined with Tough from the fighting pool, I'm just not all that thrilled with my Elec/DB Tanker (though that could be more to do with the /DB part of it). I think that it'll do fine on any of those ATs, but I've never tried it on a Scrapper.
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Ive been looking and a Shield/Ice tank myself but am having challenges because there are so many powers I would want to take. However I find thats a good thing that I have a lot of choices. Invuln/Ice would work well. Everything should work well with INV.
As far as certain sets they will always would better on Tanks IMO because tanks can usually cap at a higher level than a Brute or Scrapper can. To me thats more about your playstyle than anything. Personally I cant stand scrappers. I tend to play Tanks and Brutes and while many call a brute almost the same as a scrapper I dont see it that way because I often play Brutes as mini Tanks that do more damage.
So if I want a more OFFENSIVE tank I will usually build a brute.
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Originally Posted by Airhammer
um Aett what the heck is that in your picture.. I got so used to see the Stop sign that REALLY threw me off.
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Originally Posted by Aett_Thorn
1) Invuln/Ice should work out pretty well. It's got a few things going for it: Ice Patch can help you take less damage, while also keeping those foes contributing to your Defense against the foes not flopping about. Also, Invuln, since it doesn't have a damage aura, can make good use of Frozen Aura, which will sleep mobs after it hits them for damage, as long as you don't have the Ice Patch down knocking them over.
This can allow you to keep one spawn (or some of it, at least) flopping around on the Ice Patch, and another spawn slept, making you pretty safe. |
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Originally Posted by Airhammer
Ive been looking and a Shield/Ice tank myself but am having challenges because there are so many powers I would want to take. However I find thats a good thing that I have a lot of choices. Invuln/Ice would work well. Everything should work well with INV.
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Thanks to both of you for the feedback.
Elec/ is a safe bet, my Elec/DM is a ton of fun.
Agree with the get [Tough] comment for piece of mind with it, though.
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I suggest "tanking, scrapping or brutality."
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Originally Posted by Madadh
tanking, or toward scrapping, or.... bruting (gah, that's an awkward word)?
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This makes much more sense.I don't have an Elec Tank, but I have an Elec/Elec Brute, and that's fairly nice. It's more offensive than defensive, sure, but it does okay. Adding Tough and layering defense ups your survivability quite a bit (like it does for Fiery Aura). I like sets with a self heal, and the +recharge and Psi resists make the set pretty good all around.
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Originally Posted by Madadh
Does ElecA lend itself better to tanking, or toward scrapping, or.... bruting (gah, that's an awkward word)?
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If you make an ELA/ tank, my suggestion would be taking Tough and adding in as much +HP as you can (which usually isn't that expensive). That allows for a lot of damage mitigation. If you can build in 30% defense to S/L on top of it, then you'll be very hard to kill.
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Mind I ask what you didn't like about Ice Armour?
Dark/Ice is a beast in itself, Ice Patch and all of Dark's PBAoEs, you pretty much won't be touched.
I don't see there being any issues with Inv/Ice personally, the sets would compliment each other with Ice Patch and invincibility.
I'm a fan of shield / ice because ice melee is lower on damage while shields helps improve that. Ice patch also helps lower incoming dps to give shields that added survivability before you fully round out the toon with pool powers and IOs.
Invul/ice is too laid back for me - no damage aura or +dam and no interesting tool powers in invul. It will certainly survive, but that you'll be sleeping just like the mobs in Frozen Aura.
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What I did with my Elec/SS Tank was go for recharge and regen instead of defense. Im a few seconds of perma Energize.
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I quite like Ice Armour. It's just that I have one, and was trying not to repeat too much.
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Mind I ask what you didn't like about Ice Armour?
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That possibility was my biggest concern about that combo. I was worried that the offense may be low, and that it might not be the most interesting. While in my book Survivability and Aggro Control are the top 2 priorities for a tank, the ability to contribute seriously on offense is nice, too.
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Originally Posted by Lohenien
I'm a fan of shield / ice because ice melee is lower on damage while shields helps improve that. Ice patch also helps lower incoming dps to give shields that added survivability before you fully round out the toon with pool powers and IOs.
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Oooh.. Perma Energize. Nasty.
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What I did with my Elec/SS Tank was go for recharge and regen instead of defense. Im a few seconds of perma Energize.
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Originally Posted by Madadh
2) And yet another alt... I was wanting to finally try out Electric Armor. I just haven't decided yet if it'd be best to try it first on a Brute, Scrapper, or Tank. How is the tank version of ElecA? Does ElecA lend itself better to tanking, or toward scrapping, or.... bruting (gah, that's an awkward word)?
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Seriously, I generally have not been pleased when using a set on something other than a tank. I tried a dark/dark scrapper and ended up ditching him and making a dark/dark tank. The only set I liked on a non-tank is fire armor. I figured it was so much about damage that it would be good for a damage-centric AT so I made a fire/fire brute and like him a lot.
I think electric armor is great on a tank. My elec/elec tank is 50. The best part, and a big surprise for me when it happened, was being able to stand there and laugh at two sappers trying to drain my END. Dying Carnies won't faze you either.
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Elec/Fire is the way I went, with the quickness power (elec version eludes me atm) and some moderate recharge Fire Sword Circle, Combustion, and a well positioned Breath of Fire melt away anything thats stands around you. Oh and I use a couple damage procs in the aura. 52's are easy, 53's more of a challenge and havent improved his survivablity (HP, Def, Res) enough to challenge +4+8's yet.
Personally, I say try the Inv/Ice. I made mine on a whim and he is my favorite 50 to play. He can survive pretty much anything (will be even better with i19). Frozen Aura is such a cool power, especially since Inv lets the sleep take hold. Its nice to stop 1/2 a spawn in their tracks. I currently don't have Ice Patch, it was fun for a while but I picked up another attack instead. Come i19 I will grab it again.
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OK, my altitis is acting up again, and I've not played a tank in a while, so I'm thinking about a couple of new tank ideas.
1) I want an Ice Themed tank. I've already done 1 Ice Armor, so I'm leaning away from that, although based on the responses I get, I may be talked into another. I was thinking of using Ice Melee with something. And as I've done a Shield tank I was thinking of not going with that. Basically, I'm kinda leaning toward Invul/Ice. Any comments on how that pairing works? I am open to other ideas. If I went Ice Armor, I'd probably want to pair it with Battle Ax or War Mace.
2) And yet another alt... I was wanting to finally try out Electric Armor. I just haven't decided yet if it'd be best to try it first on a Brute, Scrapper, or Tank. How is the tank version of ElecA? Does ElecA lend itself better to tanking, or toward scrapping, or.... bruting (gah, that's an awkward word)?
Thanks in advance for all the insight and suggestions.