The Dark Knight Rises without the Riddler
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Posted on: 2010-10-27 09:41 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
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Film production is dirt cheap in N.O. right now, so it's entirely possible they are there for budget reasons and not for specific locations. Considering how much of the first two movies were shot at night with no way to distinguish what the general surroundings were like anyway, I would guess that's the reason.
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Originally Posted by Mothers_Love
Hence killer croc is not going to be a 9ft mutant croc man, .... but he could be a very tall (and built like a brick out-house) psychopath with a genetic mutation of scaley skin who files his teeth to points. There are also moving some production to New Orleans which has prompted some to indicate Killer Croc.
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Agreed I would love to see a well done female villain in one of these super hero movies.
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Originally Posted by Antigonus
I really like the idea of Talia being the villain. It would tie in nicely with the first movie as an endcap to the trilogy.
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Mark Millar was born the same year as me, so childhood run would mean the 80's. In 1985, Batman had a run in Loisianna with Killer Croc as the villain, so the logic is sound. The other villain that it could be is Black Mask, who also had a Batman run in the 80's.
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Originally Posted by Nericus
Define....child hood run? Was his child hood run the Adam West series, was it Batman the Animated series, or was it from a series of stories from the comic?
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Cat would be neat IF she was done like her picture in Arkham Asylum, and not the failures that have been in movies in the past. Also, I cant see her as a solo villain.
Hmn...Scarecrow is out of it, Ra's, Two Face and Joker...
Thats a fair few of the Big Bads. Harley needs Joker to play off to be any good, so don't see that happening. Croc doesnt have the brains to solo it. Even Bane doesn't really, although I suppose he could handle it...
Guys like Firefly, White Shark, Black Mask and suchnot are a bit unknown (afaik) for it...
I guess Ra's coming back could be pretty cool..? *shrug* I can't call 
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I just never feel good when it's implied that the Batman movies are suddenly too serious for it's source material. It just reminds me of the early days of comic book movies when the aspects of the actual comic were mostly just thrown out right off the bat because "that funny-book stuff won't translate to movies".|
Originally Posted by Rylas
I'm all ears for differing opinion. Riddler just seems too campy for the more realistic approach (yes, this is relatively speaking since its comic books) to Batman that Nolan has taken.
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It's not quite the same thing, since Nolan's being very faithful to the tone of the character; but as soon as someone says, "oh, so-and-so won't work in the more serious Nolan movies", it sets off alarm bells in my head.
Part of the draw to Batman is his crazy rogues gallery. Heck, look at how underwhelming Arkham was in the first movie. Arkham Asylum is practically a character all by itself; but in Begins, it was downright forgettable.
I just find it troubling (and a bit lazy of the filmmakers) to simply not use a character cause they're "not serious enough". I'm already feeling bummed that Nolan has already said no super-powered criminals will show up. The movies are just so good, I can't help but think how cool it'd be to see Poison Ivy or Killer Croc in there. But we never will, cause those characters are too silly for Mr. Nolan's Batman epic.
I think the fact that a plant-based hallucinogen played such a big part in Batman Begins kind of counts against bringing in Poison Ivy. Oh look, that again.
On the other hand it establishes a sort of precedent for her shtick.
I'd love to see Bane or Killer Croc. I don't know if they could manage the back-breaking and recovery in one movie, but Bane's style could be a refreshing change of pace from the 'thinkerizing' type of villains the first two movies went with.
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Originally Posted by Nericus
Define....child hood run? Was his child hood run the Adam West series, was it Batman the Animated series, or was it from a series of stories from the comic?
If it was Adam West then it wouldn't be Killer Croc. If it is Killer Croc....well...if they wanted a physical powerhouse to try to take down Batman they could go for Bane instead. Killer Croc, while formidable, doesn't strike me as a character capable of sustaining the movie as the sole villain. Also Croc isn't what you would call the brightest crayon in the box.....more like he's sharp as a marble  Bane on the other hand in the comics and Animated series has some brains to go with his brawn. He's no William F Buckley but he's not a dimwit like Croc either. Although...Louisana also implies things like the bayou and swamps......and that to me could mean Solomon Grundy as well as Killer Croc. |
So, figure 1979-1985.
Two-Face, Joker, Scarecrow, and Ra's are out.
Bane wasn't introduced untill after Mark Millar's childhood (unless he considers his 20's part of his childhood).
This also leaves out Harley Quinn.
If we take it as it's been said, it's not Mr. Freeze or The Riddler. Poison Ivy would seem to be out as well, as she has a very "super science" origin, which Nolan doesn't appear to want.
Killer Croc would of been late in Mark Millar's childhood, so I'm not convinced it's Killer Croc.
Deadshot, Talia, Catwoman...these are two villains that could be put into Nolan's universe easy enough...so my guess...
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While I agree with Nolan Batman has no business fighting anyone with extreme lvl super powers for most part(sorry fan boys, it's true.), most his rogues powers are with in his scope or could be toned down to work with some degree of realism.(to suggest otherwise just is simply lacking imagination.) I also find it funny how Nolan just tries so hard to make it all dark and serious (yes Nolan why so serious?) that just kind of sucks the fun out of it. Batman seems be a comic book character at war with the fact he's a comic book character.| I just find it troubling (and a bit lazy of the filmmakers) to simply not use a character cause they're "not serious enough". I'm already feeling bummed that Nolan has already said no super-powered criminals will show up. The movies are just so good, I can't help but think how cool it'd be to see Poison Ivy or Killer Croc in there. But we never will, cause those characters are too silly for Mr. Nolan's Batman epic. |
Kind of like how there was the real world style mortal kombat trailer where all characters were just freaks and serial killers. That wasn't mortal Kombat as it didn't have the spirit at all. You inject too much realism then why you bothering make a movie about comic characters in the first place? Just write a separate story about some characters made up for the film into of pretending make a movie about them where they're basically those character in name only. (such as the Joker.)
To me the best comic movies so far have been two Iron man films and the incredible hulk. They take themselves serious enough to not turn into loony toons but don't forget they are based off a comic book and remember have alittle fun along the way too. Nolan doesn't seem get that as his movies just seem like someone make a pure extract of the the 90s grittiness and injected into his films as they try so hard to be serious they become caricatures rather than characters. They're not bad movies by any means...but they re not good comic book translations at all.
Somewhere between Adam West and Chris Nolan is a happy balance. Hopefully someone will try find it once he's done.
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I could see a Croc/Bane co-villain movie. Both of them make a play to take over Gotham's vulnerable underworld (this being the mostly smart, mostly human, yet vicious Croc). But Bane is also there to take out Batman; basically a remake of the Knightfall arc except Batman wins, taking out the broken back.
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Bane could injure one of Batman's legs instead of the back breaking, thus keeping his injury and recovery in one movie. |
Originally Posted by Starflier
I think the fact that a plant-based hallucinogen played such a big part in Batman Begins kind of counts against bringing in Poison Ivy. Oh look, that again.
On the other hand it establishes a sort of precedent for her shtick. I'd love to see Bane or Killer Croc. I don't know if they could manage the back-breaking and recovery in one movie, but Bane's style could be a refreshing change of pace from the 'thinkerizing' type of villains the first two movies went with. |
Still would like to see them adapt the mutant gang from Dark Knight Returns, would love to see the Bat-TANK blasting the mutant gang.
Nolan could break the Bat's back to say; "this is the end of the trilogy for me and Bale".
I don't think its necessary or that he will, just that he could to make a statement.
Both Nolan and Bale are leaving after this, as everyone involved will.
This is not an ongoing franchise, this is a self-contained trilogy, it was always envisioned as thus.
I'm actually grateful for this. I think its going to be (hopefully) the purest quality trilogy made where either of the films are as good as one another or actually rises in accolade as the trilogy progresses.
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Batman: Gotham Knight is not canon like Animatrix was.
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Originally Posted by Tymers_Realm
Slight problem with Deadshot though...
He was featured in one of the "Batman: Gotham Knight" OVA segments. Gotham Knight is supposed to be set between Nolan's 1 & 2. It was a solid tale though. Maybe follow a revenge angle, if possible. Not to say using Deadshot was a bad idea... Thank you for the time... |
Well I can't see Bane since he is all brawn unless he works with someone. So if Bane is there that means at least 2 villains like we just had Joker and 2 face.
Penguin is cliche along with Joker's old girlfriend.
Maybe that Clayguy, I think it was clayface, can't remember or maybe the Mad Hatter.