The Dark Knight Rises without the Riddler
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Antigonus,
Posted on: 2010-10-27 09:41 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
So Riddler and Freeze appear to be eliminated. This to me is good as I still have memories of how they were portrayed in the other films.....ugh.
Dark Knight Rises......to me the title suggests that perhaps Batman has for the most part gone to ground due to the manhunt for him, and he's taking time to refit his equipment and the Batcave also. However some new menace is going to arise that once resolved, it will restore his popularity and get the police off his back.
Perhaps the assorted crime bosses will hire BANE to come in to remove Batman AND Gordon for good, but Bane begins to take over the crime scene?
Perhaps the Black Mask becomes the new crime kingpin of Gotham and Batman must rise up to stop his menace?
If Riddler and his puzzles, riddles and tech won't be used then I can't see Penguin being brought in with his trick umbrellas and aristocratic wannabe mentality.
Poison Ivy? Not likely. Harley Quinn? Not likely. I doubt it will be King Tut, Egghead or Bookworm from the old Adam West show either 
Better yet, here's a an interesting idea.....the MUTANT gang from Dark Knight Returns. They don't need to be mutant's per se, but a gang of people that are terrorizing the city and the mutant leader wants to kill Gordon and Batman and wipe out the city. Now that would be cool to see them recreate the Bat-tank attack scene from the comic ("Rubber bullets.....honest!") and Batman's fight with the mutant leader "This isn't a trash heap, it's an operating table......and I'm the surgeon!"
Clock King... Please.
Edit: Oh, and I was dead wrong when I said it was confirmed that the Riddler would be the next villain, apparently.
Hmm one over looked villain in the bat family I think could use a return is Red Claw. She was highly capable and I am surprised they never brought her over to the main DC universe.
Shadowy Presence - Absolutely, positively worse than playing a Kheldian... --Myrmydon
Good. Riddler just doesn't sound like a good fit in Nolan's Batman. I never thought he would, and I'm glad to see he won't be in the third installment. I can't wait to see who will be in it!
@Rylas
Kill 'em all. Let XP sort 'em out.
Glad riddler is not in this
I'm hoping for some of Dark Victory to be used especially the possible connection of Catwoman and Falcone .
Falcone could get out of Arkham and try to restart but is blocked by maybe Penquin sans nose and umbrellas or black mask .
Can't wait for 2012 
also just becuase
Shadowy Presence - Absolutely, positively worse than playing a Kheldian... --Myrmydon
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Originally Posted by Rylas
....doesn't sound like a good fit in Nolan's Batman.
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Deadshot. I have been saying it for a long time now. More and more it is Deadshot it is looking like.
Think about it? A Killer Bounty Hunter hired to get the Vigilante Dark Knight.
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Originally Posted by UltraTroll
Deadshot. I have been saying it for a long time now. More and more it is Deadshot it is looking like.
Think about it? A Killer Bounty Hunter hired to get the Vigilante Dark Knight. |
I was watching The Dark Knight yesterday and thinking about where it left off.
Joker and Two-Face killed off the crime bosses. I don't think anyone was left or perhaps one guy was.
Joker is captured and obviously not going to get used in the next movie.
All the crime thugs of the organized group are still in jail with Dent's reputation being protected by Batman taking the blame.
So now the streets will be run by disorganized and rookie criminals for the most part.
I am really looking forward to where it goes.
total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
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That would be good.
I was watching The Dark Knight yesterday and thinking about where it left off. Joker and Two-Face killed off the crime bosses. I don't think anyone was left or perhaps one guy was. Joker is captured and obviously not going to get used in the next movie. All the crime thugs of the organized group are still in jail with Dent's reputation being protected by Batman taking the blame. So now the streets will be run by disorganized and rookie criminals for the most part. I am really looking forward to where it goes. |
That's why I was thinking Falcone could still be used for a small portion , trying to reclaim what Maroni has left since his death .
Also Thalia could also be used perhaps to close off Ra's arc from the first movie
Can't wait
Slight problem with Deadshot though...
He was featured in one of the "Batman: Gotham Knight" OVA segments. Gotham Knight is supposed to be set between Nolan's 1 & 2. It was a solid tale though. Maybe follow a revenge angle, if possible. Not to say using Deadshot was a bad idea...
Thank you for the time...
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I'm all ears for differing opinion. Riddler just seems too campy for the more realistic approach (yes, this is relatively speaking since its comic books) to Batman that Nolan has taken.
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Originally Posted by Cowman
This statement always troubles me whenever I see it.
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@Rylas
Kill 'em all. Let XP sort 'em out.
Key to guesstimating who Nolan's choice of villain will be, is to understand his 'real-world grounding' and reality of characters in his Batman trilogy.
Hence killer croc is not going to be a 9ft mutant croc man, .... but he could be a very tall (and built like a brick out-house) psychopath with a genetic mutation of scaley skin who files his teeth to points. There are also moving some production to New Orleans which has prompted some to indicate Killer Croc.
Wouldn't mind a Catwoman reboot if she is sufficiently S&M and vicious.
I honestly don't know this time around. I guessed right with The Lizard for the Spidey reboot, but Nolan never fails to surprise me with choices i never see coming or ones that i wouldn't of thought would work - but then turn out to be inspired choices & castings.
This is going to be both Nolan's and Bale's last outing for Batman, but my wish for the Batman would be a big budget dark and gritty Dark Knight Year 1 or Arkham City TV series with cliffhangers.
I'd tune in, Same Bat-time, same Bat-channel (only not camp). 
I don't want to see the Batman flogged to death on the silver screen the way the Star Trek franchise was.
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Not sure about Killer Croc either. He was also featured in one of the Gotham Knight segments. Don't recall exactly the details, but the rational behind the GK version isn't far from your thoughts, M_L. I'll have to look back at it now (That segment wasn't one of my Favs in B:GK...)...|
Originally Posted by Mothers_Love
Key to guesstimating who Nolan's choice of villain will be, is to understand his 'real-world grounding' and reality of characters in his Batman trilogy.
Hence killer croc is not going to be a 9ft mutant croc man, .... but he could be a very tall (and built like a brick out-house) psychopath with a genetic mutation of scaley skin and who files his teeth to points. There are also moving some production to New Orleans which has prompted some to indicate Killer Croc. Wouldn't mind a Catwoman reboot if she is sufficiently S&M and vicious. I honestly don't know this time around. I guessed right with The Lizard for the Spidey reboot, but Nolan never fails to surprise me with choices i never see coming or ones that i wouldn't of thought would work - but then turn out to be inspired choices & castings. |
Thank you for the time...
@Travlr (Main) / @Tymers Realm (Test)
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Mark Millar also has stated a few things on twitter about Batman 3:|
Originally Posted by Mothers_Love
Hence killer croc is not going to be a 9ft mutant croc man, .... but he could be a very tall (and built like a brick out-house) psychopath with a genetic mutation of scaley skin who files his teeth to points. There are also moving some production to New Orleans which has prompted some to indicate Killer Croc.
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"Oh, wait. Con gossip: I know who the villain(s) are in Batman 3 and the big scene outside Gotham sounds awesome. Totally timely locale."
Assuming he's talking about the Loisianna localle, it hints towards Killer Croc.
Also he says that the villain is one from his childhood in this tweet:
"One of the villains is from my favourite childhood run on the character. Again, very unexpected."
A few threads ago someone suggested the guy that played Bronson (Tom Hardy, hmmm looking up his name on imdb he was also in inception.... i didn't realize it was the same person) to play the riddler.
I had never heard of that movie and checked it out, it was pretty interesting movie (thanks to whoever it was enlighten me to that film!) and he would've made a pretty good riddler in nolad world imho.
The Kronos has a hold n00b!
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He's still attached. Not sure who he would play thoug. I bet he may not even be a main character. I remember when that guy form the Breakfast Club was cast every thought he was going to be intrduced as Edward Nigma and be brought in as the riddler for the third. Then he was just the newscaster. meh. Fan Interwebs Speculation FTW!
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Originally Posted by lucas
A few threads ago someone suggested the guy that played Bronson (Tom Hardy, hmmm looking up his name on imdb he was also in inception.... i didn't realize it was the same person) to play the riddler.
I had never heard of that movie and checked it out, it was pretty interesting movie (thanks to whoever it was enlighten me to that film!) and he would've made a pretty good riddler in nolad world imho. |
The Ventriloquist and Scarface. With Jeff Dunham as the Ventriloquist.
Do it, Christopher Nolan.
Doooo eeeeet!
Goodbye, I guess.
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Define....child hood run? Was his child hood run the Adam West series, was it Batman the Animated series, or was it from a series of stories from the comic? |
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Mark Millar also has stated a few things on twitter about Batman 3:
"Oh, wait. Con gossip: I know who the villain(s) are in Batman 3 and the big scene outside Gotham sounds awesome. Totally timely locale." Assuming he's talking about the Loisianna localle, it hints towards Killer Croc. Also he says that the villain is one from his childhood in this tweet: "One of the villains is from my favourite childhood run on the character. Again, very unexpected." |
If it was Adam West then it wouldn't be Killer Croc.
If it is Killer Croc....well...if they wanted a physical powerhouse to try to take down Batman they could go for Bane instead. Killer Croc, while formidable, doesn't strike me as a character capable of sustaining the movie as the sole villain. Also Croc isn't what you would call the brightest crayon in the box.....more like he's sharp as a marble
Bane on the other hand in the comics and Animated series has some brains to go with his brawn. He's no William F Buckley but he's not a dimwit like Croc either. Although...Louisana also implies things like the bayou and swamps......and that to me could mean Solomon Grundy as well as Killer Croc.
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Now the Ventriloquist would be interesting to see.
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Originally Posted by Lord_Nightblade
The Ventriloquist and Scarface. With Jeff Dunham as the Ventriloquist.
Do it, Christopher Nolan. Doooo eeeeet! |
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I will "KEEEL" him if this happens. Then hunt you down and make you watch Dunham and Peanut for the rest of your days. |
Originally Posted by Lord_Nightblade
The Ventriloquist and Scarface. With Jeff Dunham as the Ventriloquist.
Do it, Christopher Nolan. Doooo eeeeet! |
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Originally Posted by Nericus
Solomon Grundy
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I'm disappointed it's not called "The Batman" or just "Batman" actually.
Avoid internet plot rumours you see originating from the Far East - I'm not sure they understand Batman.
I really like the idea of Talia being the villain. It would tie in nicely with the first movie as an endcap to the trilogy.
So sayeth Christopher Nolan.
Discuss.
http://herocomplex.latimes.com/2010/...e-the-riddler/