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not going to happen O_I. just for the reason that every PvE'er would be on these boards screaming at the devs for this exact thing.
I have no objection to a PVP booster but it would require redesigning PvP in it's entirety. Our game doesn't have loot that can be easily swapped out when we switch from PVP to PVE. I also think it's a bad idea to further alienate the PVP population by making them pay extra so they can be on the same footing as other PVP players. Doing these things will most likely be the final nail in the PVP coffin.
I'm just going to give general disagreement with the OP's ideas on the matter, as well as specific dislike of the idea of having PvP only costumes, auras, emotes, capes, etc.
I just want to mention my specific dislike of the idea of a paid booster that affects any portion of the game involving combat in a large way as it places a gap between the 'haves' and the 'have nots'.
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1. If they do fix PvP, then it should be part of a free update, NOT A BOOSTER!
2. It is unfair to deny players exclusive costume pieces IF THEY DO NOT PVP!
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We don't need a booster pack, we need a whole 'nother server. I think we need is a PVP-specific server with different PVP rules that hardcore PVPers will enjoy and wouldn't affect the PVE community at all.
To keep it 100% fair, allow no server transfers nor email trades between this and the "normal" servers.
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We don't need a booster pack, we need a whole 'nother server. I think we need is a PVP-specific server with different PVP rules that hardcore PVPers will enjoy and wouldn't affect the PVE community at all.
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The only reason they are there and as powerful as they are is because of the difficulty the PvP enviroment adds to getting them. Competeing against a human opponent brings the difficulty to a whole new level that the AI can't compare to.
Without that difficulty those items will most likely be severely nerfed or removed completely.
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What outrage? Leave the PVP zones alone on the existing servers. There are PVE players who venture into PVP zones occasionally... either for the rewards that can be found there or for the occasional PVP excursion or player- or SG-sponsored PVP event. And casual PVPers can enjoy a PVP-lite experience.|
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
And how will you deal with the outrage from the PvE population when you take away their access to Shivans, Nukes, Badges, and Purple IO recipes?
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Meanwhile, there's a whole crowd of PVP gamers that want all kinds of things in PVP that would utterly wreck the experience for new gamers and casual gamers alike. What I'm saying is to create a server dedicated to this crowd and give those gamers the things they want... there.
/unsigned. This is a terrible idea for so many reasons.
The devs need to stop wasting time on PvP.
First off, any changes in PvP should be in all aspects of PvP.
The idea sounds good, except what would be the point?
The toon would only have access to the special members only PvP zone. Boring. And thusly seems like a waste of time.
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Well if the devs are going to leave the current PvP zones where they are then there's no reason for them to create a PvP dedicated server. PvP players have no motivation to throw away everything they've accomplished with their current characters just to start over from scratch on a PvP only server. Instead they'll stay where they are and continue to use the current zones.|
Originally Posted by Next_Player
What outrage? Leave the PVP zones alone on the existing servers. There are PVE players who venture into PVP zones occasionally... either for the rewards that can be found there or for the occasional PVP excursion or player- or SG-sponsored PVP event. And casual PVPers can enjoy a PVP-lite experience.
Meanwhile, there's a whole crowd of PVP gamers that want all kinds of things in PVP that would utterly wreck the experience for new gamers and casual gamers alike. What I'm saying is to create a server dedicated to this crowd and give those gamers the things they want... there. |
Another thing you seem to have overlooked is that PvP is gated to a minimum level of 15 in this game. The devs aren't going to let people auto level to level 15.
If you are suggesting a new server where all the zones are open to PvP then you are seriously overestimating the size of the PvP population in this game. In it's heyday the PvP population was only a tiny fraction of the playerbase and they have a hard enough time finding opponents in the 4 current zones so you are delusional if you think it will be easier for PvPers to find opponents if they have to search 50+ zones. Especially when there will be a significant portion of them that will refuse to leave their home servers where they can do both PvP and PvE.
You know, this might almost be worth it just because it would banish PvP players off in their own "members only" zones. Tempting...
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This, not to mention that you would essentially have the devs managing THREE different version of the game: pve, pvp, and pvp server with all the stuff that the pvpers want on that codebase. Seeing as how they haven't been successful at doing updates for both pve and pvp with the way things CURRENTLY stand, I think the person you responded to is living in a dream world. I'll leave it at that.
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Well if the devs are going to leave the current PvP zones where they are then there's no reason for them to create a PvP dedicated server. PvP players have no motivation to throw away everything they've accomplished with their current characters just to start over from scratch on a PvP only server. Instead they'll stay where they are and continue to use the current zones.
Another thing you seem to have overlooked is that PvP is gated to a minimum level of 15 in this game. The devs aren't going to let people auto level to level 15. If you are suggesting a new server where all the zones are open to PvP then you are seriously overestimating the size of the PvP population in this game. In it's heyday the PvP population was only a tiny fraction of the playerbase and they have a hard enough time finding opponents in the 4 current zones so you are delusional if you think it will be easier for PvPers to find opponents if they have to search 50+ zones. Especially when there will be a significant portion of them that will refuse to leave their home servers where they can do both PvP and PvE. |
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First of all thanks OP for the suggestions, I agree something new would be nice in PvP.
Second, This is the suggestion board, if you dont like PvP or have a suggestion of any kind other than 'PvP should have never been added!' then you need to gtfo. Thanks.
PvP has been apart of this game for years and neglected at that, you people just find crap to whine about.
Back on topic,... I dont know if I like having so many Booster Packs - I would like to see other additions though, cross-server arena, some new arena maps, pvp fixes...anything would be nice at this point.
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First of all thanks OP for the suggestions, I agree something new would be nice in PvP.
Second, This is the suggestion board, if you dont like PvP or have a suggestion of any kind other than 'PvP should have never been added!' then you need to gtfo. Thanks. PvP has been apart of this game for years and neglected at that, you people just find crap to whine about. Back on topic,... I dont know if I like having so many Booster Packs - I would like to see other additions though, cross-server arena, some new arena maps, pvp fixes...anything would be nice at this point. |
yeah just tossing around ideas because something is better than nothing and "anything would be nice at this point" sums up how i feel now after my pvp super kitty died from neglect.
A very sad story about War Witch and the neglected kitty. http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=219670
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If I may suggest in the future... avoid using phrases such as "like way cool", "superly awesome great", or "Totally wicked rad", specially when they are in back to back sentences and involving a serious topic AND pvp. I would also suggest capitalization. If you play a catgirl I also suggest not mentioning that. I have no guarantees but you might be flamed less.|
Originally Posted by OPTICAL_ILLUSION
many people are really really mean to me so ty for being nice.
yeah just tossing around ideas because something is better than nothing and "anything would be nice at this point" sums up how i feel now after my pvp super kitty died from neglect. |
More on topic I'd have to agree with "You know, this might almost be worth it just because it would banish PvP players off in their own "members only" zones. Tempting... ". I liked the days when City of Heroes had no PVP and didn't have to worry about the silliness and venom that it brought to people in the community. Personally I'd be happy if PVP were removed tomorrow, or they just left it to rot and stopped keeping up with it. There's far better games out there to PVP in, but that's just my opinion.
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I was actually serious when I said this. Back in the day when Arenas were added, there was this unspoken rule that PvP would be "out there" where people who weren't interested wouldn't even have to know it existed. PvP took place out of sight and out of mind, so care bears like me didn't get in the way of people who were looking for a fair fight and they didn't hold me responsible for ruining "their game" in return. However, with the advent of PvP zones and CoV, we had more and more intrusion of PvP themes into areas where they really didn't belong, such as the numerous threads trying to convince me how wrong I was for not PvPing and how much I'd love it if I just tried (this despite the fact that I don't want to PvP expressly because of having tried it) and subsequently the troll raves certain PvP posters made in an effort to ruin everybody else's fun because they perceived they weren't being catered to.|
Originally Posted by SenseiBlur
More on topic I'd have to agree with "You know, this might almost be worth it just because it would banish PvP players off in their own "members only" zones. Tempting... ". I liked the days when City of Heroes had no PVP and didn't have to worry about the silliness and venom that it brought to people in the community. Personally I'd be happy if PVP were removed tomorrow, or they just left it to rot and stopped keeping up with it. There's far better games out there to PVP in, but that's just my opinion.
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The disdain some PvE players, such as myself, have for PvP players as a faceless generalisation didn't pop out of the aether. It was the intrusion of PvP themes into the places where we hung out that caused us to turn bitter. So if a pack can be created which catered to PvP players such that they can flourish and have fun and have duels in such a way that I didn't see them... Great! They get to have their fun and their way, which they should, and they do it without bothering me in return. If such an arrangement were possible, I'd be all for it. Better that we all have our fun separately than suffer together.
On the other hand, the problem with PvP is and has always been that it really doesn't work for the PvPers without involving me. There simply aren't enough dedicated PvP players to sustain a workable gaming environment just by themselves, so the only way to make PvP work is to involve the larger community on a much more consistent basis. Not only is a "members only" PvP environment counter-productive to that (competitive environments thrive on participation, not on exclusivity), but it actually loops right back to the old problem of involving me when I don't want anything to do with PvP.
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I was actually serious when I said this.
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Really? Do you think it could somehow be related to the ill thought suggestions you keep posting? I'm just saying...
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many people are really really mean to me so ty for being nice.
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Really? Do you think it could somehow be related to the ill thought suggestions you keep posting? I'm just saying...
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A very sad story about War Witch and the neglected kitty. http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=219670
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Guess it's hard to click while actively trying to keep the drool away from the keyboard...
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gafanhoto, i teach you to understand my ancient kung fu posting techniques so not seem ill thought out only after you defeat cheating AV in CoP without nukes.
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Ok, again, for all the hate listed here, I see some gems here.
The rationale for the "members only" area seems to be that all the other benefits of members-only would ONLY be available there. The purpose isn't to segregate PvP'ers, but isolate the advantages of a members-only-alternate-build wouldn't affect others.
So, in that area, you can rapidly build anything you want, as all enhancements are available to you, allowing you to experiment with different builds... heck, you might even swap things around based on who you expect to fight. While such an idea would be unappealing to people that are driven by achievement of GETTING the rare PvP rewards, it could be quite fun for people that just want to compete at a somewhat-even footing.
Build didn't work? Swap in a few different enhancements and try again. Sure, you can do this now, but it will be quicker and more dynamic with all the resources immediately available to you.
Not only that, but by making this a booster, this mitigates the issue of allocating resources for a significant, but small niche. The time and money you invest here is at least partially offset by the booster revenue. PvE'ers need not complain about resources being diverted, and PvP'ers get a nice bag of goodies that couldn't otherwise be available.
I'm not enough of a PvP'er to know if this would hold appeal to the type of players we foster here, but I can see some logic behind it....
To be perfectly honest, I could actually support a form of "PvP Booster" where the funds go towards revamping / updating PvP. I personally have a hard time actually thinking about what kind of things could be placed into a PvP Booster that would generate enough funds without seriously redefining what the Booster Packs are about or making drastic changes to PvP that would have a negative impact to those who don't pick up the booster pack. That leaves me with precious little incentive to support a PvP Booster.
i think it would be like way cool and superly awesome great for the devs to make pvp "members only" booster packs for the game. here are some totally wicked rad ideas...
"members only" pvp zone where all of these great ideas below work so it does not disrupt or unbalance pve land or the other pvp zones.
"members only" pvp build with access to all enhancements.
"members only" accolade pack. all accolades and make some new ones too.
"members only" military styled faction costumes, capes, auras and emotes.
there are many more "members only" ideas but i don't feel like typing them now but i will later sometime.
there is a lot of potential here so im just throwing out the idea of pvp booster packs for something to think about. i think that pvp booster packs would help retain current pvpers, draw in some new pvp buddies and make the devs some loot. then maybe the devs will get enough loot to do lots more for pvp and the entire future of the product.
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A very sad story about War Witch and the neglected kitty. http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=219670