Worst Brute build?

Kyria_Shirako · 10-21-2010 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Energy_Aura

Paring these with the worst possible attacks is what would make a truely bad brute. I would recommend Fire Melee as the loose set due to lack of added mitigation (knockdown, disorient, end drain, etc...) and it only has 1 AoE and 1 ranged (short range) cone. Also it has a draw time on the sword animations which adds a little time to these attacks.

Additionally, in the interest of accuracy, there is no real draw time on the fire sword animations; They're not weapons. They're more like the pompoms of Energy Melee or the flame-wreaths of Fire Blast.

Blue_Centurion · 10-21-2010 10:47 AM

Too true about comparisons. The game is about subtlety. Synergy between primaries/secondaries, and sets added to make your toon work your way. i have been experimenting with AR/Traps-Devices this week, comparing Blaster to Corruptor. Very similar, yet key differences. No mortar for Blaster, sad panda. But I have found he doesnt need it, and the trade off for having a stealth power in the set (without -move speed) is awesome. Other differences too, but that one little thing makes the toon work soooo much better. Find that in your numbers somewhere. Also, my Dark/Invul Brute (which according to "people in the know" I have gimped) works like a charm. Why? Because I ignored all standard advice and went after the buildout I wanted like a maniac. Put that into a spreadsheet.

Nalrok_AthZim · 10-21-2010 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Kyria_Shirako

Additionally, in the interest of accuracy, there is no real draw time on the fire sword animations; They're not weapons. They're more like the pompoms of Energy Melee or the flame-wreaths of Fire Blast.

That whole post should be disregarded.

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"Dark Armor is a complete waste as a tanking set."

Energy_Aura · 10-21-2010 12:20 PM

Let's start with this:

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Originally Posted by Energy_Aura
Using the number in the current Mid's, and making a listing of resistance, defense and combination based sets, I have put together these 3 lists. These are base numbers with no enhances or sets:

OK..So this is raw data with no counting on recharge times, just the bare sets. If you take all of the things that make up the sets, then you have to consider BALANCE, in which case I will conceed they all are equally bad or good.

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Originally Posted by Tempest_56

There are so many things wrong with your evaluation that it's hilarious.

- You fail to account for offensive or utility aspects in sets. +damage from Against All Odds? Missing. Fiery Embrace? Not mentioned at all. Quick Recovery? Nah, who cares about that.

OK, so +damage makes up for lack of a heal of any type in Shield? Fiery Embrace is in Fiery Armor which I rated higher than Electric so what's your point? And Quick Recovery is in Willpower, which I rated higher than Shield, and it's not a defense or resistance power, so your point?

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- Non-standard defensive measures are ALSO ignored. No mention is made, for example, of Dark Armor's mez auras which are so key. Or to Elec's sapping. Or Granite!

Non-standard defensive measures, oh you mean damage mitigation, (knockdown, mez, damage debuff), which I did take into account (thus Fiery Melee as it has very vanilla damage) and as for Armors, Electric Armor's 5.8% End drain (75% base Acc) is more effective than BURN w/Fiery Embrace?

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- Holes in the defenses are also utterly missed. You're comparing defensive sets and you decided that Fire not having KB protection wasn't worth mentioning?

Neither does Dark, so Fire and Dark are worse than Electric? Oh and Fire is Resistance, Dark is Combo, so you can't really compare across the breakdowns or we go back to equally as bad or good as you want.

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- Heck, the evaluation falls entirely flat on the first two sets you compare.

You forget to mention that while both sets have a 25% heal, one recharges in 120s and the other in 40s. They're not even vaguely equivalent! That doesn't even get into the issue that one's available at 4 and the other at 28. Or that Elec's +regen is tied to that heal.

Both ARE listed in my post, Fire's heal is at 4, and comes up more often, and Electric at 28 both heal for 25%. Electrics unenhanced regen is 12 HPs a second at level 50 which means nothing, so your point again? I chose Electric due to the base numbers, as I stated!

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In all, congratulations you can add numbers from Mid's. However, that's worthless as a tool for comparison. You're completely ignoring too many aspects, several of which are core components of the respective sets.

If Mid's is worthless as a tool for comparison, then what did you base your critic of my OPINION on? You gave no solid info on why I was wrong in stating Fire Melee/Electric armor was a weak set compared to other combos. Instead of telling me why my OPINION is wrong or misguided, why don't you give the OP YOUR OPINION on the worst combo? Post count padding aside, the OP was asking for peoples take on the worst Brute combo, I gave mine, what's yours?

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Energy_Aura · 10-21-2010 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim

You've never played Electric Armor, have you? You didn't account for Grounded, nor did you account for target caps on all sets. Your post is essentially "here's what sucks when everything sucks." My SS/Elec Brute is damn near unstoppable.

Your Brute would rock with Rage, which is why I pared my weakest choice with Fire!

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Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion

Okay, only Shield was like wildly popular for quite a while. That usually does not happen with a horrid set.

But compared to Stone, Willpower and Invuln, Shield does fall a bit short. Not to mean it's the worst, that's why I chose Electric to be my worst.

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Arbegla · 10-21-2010 12:50 PM

Shield is far more aggressive then stone, willpower, or invuln, due in part to the ability to easily softcap, high DDR, and shield charge. AAO + shield charge allows shield to plow through things much quicker then just about any other secondary.

/elec has lightning field which does -3% end every 2 seconds, and power sink, which does -40% end every 60 seconds.. so you can effectively drain entire groups of mobs, and we all know a mob with no end isnt really doing anything to you.

fire/elec would rock as a combo. you have high damage potential due to BU + lightning field. you have high damage due to fire melee, and you have more then enough mitigation due to end drain. Plus energy can be perma'ed with enough recharge (from slotting and IOs) so you can walk around with +200% regen on top of anything else you might have (health, which will be inherent soon, plus any set bonuses) stacked with your already high resistance (yes, 26.25% isnt too high, but thats base, slotted you hitting at about 40%, which is nothing to disregard)

Nalrok_AthZim · 10-21-2010 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Energy_Aura

OK..So this is raw data with no counting on recharge times, just the bare sets. If you take all of the things that make up the sets, then you have to consider BALANCE, in which case I will conceed they all are equally bad or good.

But no one is going to go purely on armor toggles alone, unless they're brand-spankin'-new to the game and haven't learned better.

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Originally Posted by Energy_Aura

OK, so +damage makes up for lack of a heal of any type in Shield? Fiery Embrace is in Fiery Armor which I rated higher than Electric so what's your point? And Quick Recovery is in Willpower, which I rated higher than Shield, and it's not a defense or resistance power, so your point?

Because these powers help the armor in it's uniqueness and utility. If Fiery Embrace wasn't in Fiery Aura, it'd probably be a piece of trash save for the self-resurrect. If Quick Recovery wasn't in Willpower, it would be significantly tougher to run it as it has 4 toggles and relies purely on regeneration to survive. Your lack of endurance would short you out faster than you could realize. If you take Against All Odds from Shield it's just a cut and dry resist/def set with no way of aggro control. Taking the raw numbers from a set's armors and discounting everything else is like going to buy a car and saying "I only care about the mirrors, if you can't see behind you, you cannot possibly drive."

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Originally Posted by Energy_Aura

Non-standard defensive measures, oh you mean damage mitigation, (knockdown, mez, damage debuff), which I did take into account

Where?

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Originally Posted by Energy_Aura

(thus Fiery Melee as it has very vanilla damage) and as for Armors,

You're kidding, right? Fiery Melee is not "vanilla damage". It's exotic damage, as it's Smash/Fire and will bypass certain resistances with attacks such as Scorch and Breath of Fire. Super Strength is "vanilla damage" as it's all Smash/Lethal.

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Originally Posted by Energy_Aura

Electric Armor's 5.8% End drain (75% base Acc) is more effective than BURN w/Fiery Embrace?

Power Sink is auto-hit.

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Originally Posted by Energy_Aura

Neither does Dark, so Fire and Dark are worse than Electric? Oh and Fire is Resistance, Dark is Combo, so you can't really compare across the breakdowns or we go back to equally as bad or good as you want.

On a Brute, Dark Armor is not a combination of Resist/Defense. The defense in Cloak of Darkness is negligible until you factor in Combat Jumping, Weave, and other bonuses/toggles. For Brutes, Dark Armor is Resistance-based with two crowd-control toggles that act as mitigation. You did not take this into consideration.

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Originally Posted by Energy_Aura

Both ARE listed in my post, Fire's heal is at 4, and comes up more often, and Electric at 28 both heal for 25%. Electrics unenhanced regen is 12 HPs a second at level 50 which means nothing, so your point again? I chose Electric due to the base numbers, as I stated![/i]

Energize also has a pretty respectable +Regeneration component and allows you to fill your health over time in exchange for a longer recharge. It also has a self-endurance discount which helps even more in sustaining yourself in combat.

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Originally Posted by Energy_Aura

If Mid's is worthless as a tool for comparison, then what did you base your critic of my OPINION on? You gave no solid info on why I was wrong in stating Fire Melee/Electric armor was a weak set compared to other combos. Instead of telling me why my OPINION is wrong or misguided, why don't you give the OP YOUR OPINION on the worst combo? Post count padding aside, the OP was asking for peoples take on the worst Brute combo, I gave mine, what's yours?

Solid information isn't needed to back up Fiery Aura and Electric Armor. It's very clear you've never played Electric Armor. Fiery Aura is a completely different beast than other Brute armors, it's made to be a bomb, not a tank. Allow me to address this below:

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Originally Posted by Energy_Aura

Your Brute would rock with Rage, which is why I pared my weakest choice with Fire!

Rage has absolutely no bearing on the survivability of Electric Armor. At 50, with respectable sets in my Brute, I sit at 56% S/L resistance, 90% (capped) Energy resist, 46% Psi Resist, and 43% to all others. All I have to do is hit Power Surge to cap my damage resist to everything but Psi and Toxic. I can constantly drain endurance from my enemies with Power Sink and Lightning Field, leaving them useless.

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Originally Posted by Energy_Aura

But compared to Stone, Willpower and Invuln, Shield does fall a bit short. Not to mean it's the worst, that's why I chose Electric to be my worst.

No, Shield doesn't fall short of Willpower or Invul. Stone? Of course it will, you're comparing it to Granite Armor.

I'm going to offer you three bits of advice.

1. Do not use base numbers from Mid's as the foundation for an argument.
2. Do not criticize or judge a set until you have played it to 41 at the very least.
3. You must understand that every player in this game can and will enhance the values they can, when they can.

I really hate to say it but you're severely damaging your own credibility, and are probably coming off as a troll.

My guides:Dark Melee/Dark Armor/Soul Mastery, Illusion Control/Kinetics/Primal Forces Mastery, Electric Armor
"Dark Armor is a complete waste as a tanking set."

Energy_Aura · 10-21-2010 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Zophar_Shinta

I'm looking for a couple power sets that are considered the worst for brutes.
I'd like to try and build something worth while out of them.

I'm not looking for help with the build just the perfect horrible pair to play with.

Any thoughts?

OK...So my OPINION of Fiery Melee/Electric Armor being a weak combination is WRONG? How can anyone's OPINION be WRONG? Guess I'll go back to working on the I19 version of Mid's....

To the OP: Hope you have fun with whatever you build...Peace out...

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Nalrok_AthZim · 10-21-2010 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Energy_Aura

OK...So my OPINION of Fiery Melee/Electric Armor being a weak combination is WRONG? How can anyone's OPINION be WRONG? Guess I'll go back to working on the I19 version of Mid's and leave the trolls and know it alls here on the forums...

To the OP: Hope you have fun with whatever you build...Peace out...

Tell you what. I'll roll up a Fire/Elec brute and let you know how it comes out. Sound good?

My guides:Dark Melee/Dark Armor/Soul Mastery, Illusion Control/Kinetics/Primal Forces Mastery, Electric Armor
"Dark Armor is a complete waste as a tanking set."

Tempest_56 · 10-21-2010 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Energy_Aura

If Mid's is worthless as a tool for comparison, then what did you base your critic of my OPINION on? You gave no solid info on why I was wrong in stating Fire Melee/Electric armor was a weak set compared to other combos. Instead of telling me why my OPINION is wrong or misguided, why don't you give the OP YOUR OPINION on the worst combo? Post count padding aside, the OP was asking for peoples take on the worst Brute combo, I gave mine, what's yours?

The point is that you're missing mine. I'm not making an evaluation about your ranking of sets - I've said nothing about how any one of those sets is better than another. Your counter-argument is flawed because you're assuming that I'm saying you're wrong in your final conclusion. I'm not. I'm saying that the data you're basing it on is not what you present it as.

Opinions are fine - we all have them. But when you post up a data chunk to justify yourself, you should expect others to look at that data. And in this case, it's woefully incomplete. You say 'this is raw data with no counting on recharge times' when recharge times are in fact very important. Or referring to Dark Armor as a 'combo' set when an even vaguely experienced DA player knows it's not (+def slightly better than Combat Jumping in a stealth power does not a combination set make). Or that the endurance drain in Electric Armor is not, in fact, important - Arcanaville did the number crunching in regards to that some time ago and mathematically showed that the -end aspects of it actually play a huge role. You give no indication to any of these things and more. Your numbers are inherently lacking as a result, and can not provide any form of definitive proof of anything.

Your opinion is not wrong. Opinions, by their nature, are very rarely wrong. But your data is. If you're going to use data to try and present your opinion as fact, you should be prepared to have others point out the flaws in your data. If you can't handle that, then you shouldn't be presenting the data in the first place. I have no intention of attacking your opinion - I have every intention of attacking your lackluster and paper-thin 'proof'.

(For reference? My opinion is Fire/EA. From my own experiences playing both sets, EA is far weaker than Elec in defensive terms. And Fire Melee brings even less to the table for EA. But that's just my opinion.)

Bill Z Bubba · 10-21-2010 10:38 PM

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How can anyone's OPINION be WRONG?

I see this way too much lately.

It's very simple.

Actual opinion: I like chocolate ice cream. <--- This can not be shown to be wrong or right. It is a true opinion.

Statement being portrayed as an opinion: Elec Aura is weaker than Energy Aura. <--- This can be proven false by slotting every power to its ED cap, firing off clicks as they recharge, calculating incoming damage and how it is affected by the set's mitigation, determining which set dies first. If Elec dies first, statement is true. If Energy dies first, statement is false.

Another example:

Opinion: I like Guinness. I think it's the best drink in the world. <--- Please note how this can not be argued against. A different opinion can be provided but the two do not magically make the other one incorrect.

Statement made portrayed as an opinion: The earth is 6000 years old. <--- This statement has been proven false utilizing a great many different scientific disciplines.

So... when can an opinion be wrong? When it isn't an opinion. People should not assign the term "opinion" to their incorrect beliefs.

Be well, people of CoH.

DSorrow · 10-21-2010 11:18 PM

Well said Bill.

I'd just like to add my own opinion on the FA vs. ElA debate here. I find ElA to be far superior survivability wise. With slotted up Lightning Field and Power Sink it takes me around 10 seconds to completely drain a spawn's Endurance. If I can survive the first 10 seconds of a fight, I can do the whole thing. That's not true with FA, on the other hand...

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DarkMaster · 10-22-2010 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba

Actual opinion: I like chocolate ice cream. <--- This can not be shown to be wrong or right. It is a true opinion.

That is not a true opinion, that is a statement. Your second example with Guiness is a little closer to a real opinion.

If your first example had read:

I like chocolate ice cream! It's the best ice cream in the world!

or

I like chocolate ice cream! Everyone can agree it's the best!

then it would have been the most classic example of an opinion.

Here's some more fun examples for everyone!

Fact:

Pilgrims sailed on the ship "Mayflower"

Opinion:

Everyone had an enjoyable voyage.

Fact:

Maui is the second largest Hawaiian Island

Opinion:

Maui has the most beautiful beaches in the world

Definition of Opinion:

o·pin·ion

noun
1. a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
2. a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.

Also, it is good to note that even things that are voted on or win the "majority" of favor and thus taken as "fact" can and are still opinions. For example, FHM's 'Most Beautiful Woman in the World' contest, or many other types of beauty contests, all culminate to a "majority opinion" but yet are taken at face value as somewhat of a "fact" given the media attention. When in reality not everyone is going to agree that the most beautiful woman won, yet one is dubbed as "most beautiful.

Where the poster may have stumbled is that he included a chunk of data, research, and numbers to support his claim in this thread. At that point he loses the ability to claim his point of view as a true "opinion" as he was possibly trying to pass it as "fact" due to evidence disclosure. However, this data was also included in a "discussion board" where posters are attempting to come up with the "worst" brute build. Due to this discussion setting and debate, it can be viewed as a question/debate phase not yet answered. Thus opinions or theories based on gathered and "known" fact can be claimed until an answer is found or at least unanimously decided upon. Such is the nature of this setting. Also, one can claim that due to the research they've found, that it is of their "opinion", but otherwise known as a "theory" at this point (theories are generally more driven by whatever facts are currently obtained where opinions are 100% based on feeling), that their belief is true. However, after real evidence is brought forward which contradicts that theory and proves it wrong, he can retract or remove his opinions altogether as they were made based on the data he had at the time.

the·o·ry

noun, plural -ries.

1. a system of rules, procedures, and assumptions used to produce a result
2. abstract knowledge or reasoning
3. a speculative or conjectural view or idea: I have a theory about that

Theory, hypothesis are used in non-technical contexts to mean an untested idea or opinion.

Hope this helps!

Bill Z Bubba · 10-22-2010 07:31 AM

DM, the question being studied was "How can anyone's OPINION be WRONG?"

I explained how. I see no reason to take the bait on your semantics based argument.

Be well, people of CoH.

Nalrok_AthZim · 10-22-2010 07:37 AM

For those of you following the argument outside of opinions, I had a friend roll a Fire/EnA Brute alongside my Fire/ElA Brute. We're pacted and currently level 22 thanks to Trick or Treating for a few good hours. She dies significantly more in missions than I do. All available armors taken.

My guides:Dark Melee/Dark Armor/Soul Mastery, Illusion Control/Kinetics/Primal Forces Mastery, Electric Armor
"Dark Armor is a complete waste as a tanking set."

Carnifax_NA · 10-22-2010 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Energy_Aura

Resistance

1. Electric Armor - S 26.3, L 26.3, F 26.3, C 26.3, E 61.9, N 22.5, T 0, P 26.3, 25% heal, 100% regen, no +HP
2. Fiery Armor - S 22.5, L 22.5, F 67.5, C 15, E 22.5, N 22.5, T 15 (with heal), P 0, 25% heal, no +HP

Lookin at this, Electric is the weakest resist set, Energy is the weakest defense set and Shield is the weakest combo set.

No offense, but this sort of methodology is precisely why Theorycrafting from number in Mids isn't the be-all and end-all and can give false impressions about how sets play in the actual game (and I'm basing this on personal experience from generating my Stone/Fire brute in Mids, thinking "That looks awesome" and then trying it ingame for 40 levels).

Having played both Elec and Fire brutes up to level 40ish my own experience is that Fire is quite a way behind Elec in terms of survivability.

Elec is pretty much the middle of the road Resistance set and actually has few holes, whereas Fire tends to run into enemies which can cause it serious pain far more often.

And in my case I had Elec paired with Claws (not much mitigation in the primary) and Fire paired with Stone (which has buckets of soft and hard control) and still had more issues with the Stone/Fire compared to the Claws/Elec blender.

Mind you the Stone/Fires spike damage would be awesome nowadays.

DarkMaster · 10-22-2010 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba

DM, the question being studied was "How can anyone's OPINION be WRONG?"

I explained how. I see no reason to take the bait on your semantics based argument.

And I was simply correcting you on a misconception that I didn't think should be spread around the boards as a "fact." Your definition was off, I corrected that, and simply gave a little more insight and detail on the subject, to help those who may have still had questions as to what an "opinion" or "fact" really was. I elaborated on theory some as well.

Superwedge · 10-22-2010 04:03 PM

Worst primary for me is EM. It's godawful since the nerf, and just plain unplayable for me.

Worst secondary... I've played /FA, /INV, /DA, /SD, /SR to 50, and I thought DA was lacking most out of that group.

Bill Z Bubba · 10-22-2010 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkMaster

And I was simply correcting you on a misconception that I didn't think should be spread around the boards as a "fact." Your definition was off, I corrected that, and simply gave a little more insight and detail on the subject, to help those who may have still had questions as to what an "opinion" or "fact" really was. I elaborated on theory some as well.

What you did was waste hard drive space in an attempt to goad me into a BS argument.

Yes, the statement "I like chocolate ice cream" is a statement. It is also an opinion by virtue of the fact that the statement would not exist without the opinions behind the statement: chocolate is the best flavor for ice cream and ice cream is good to eat.

As I said, it was a weak attempt to drag me into an argument of semantics. Those with functional levels of intelligence understood that.

Be well, people of CoH.

Blue_Centurion · 10-22-2010 04:10 PM

Not to sidetrack this discussion, and not to stray too far from the OP. But I noticed that you have a Dark Melee/Willpower Brute listed BillZ. Now my main is Dark/Invul. Do you think Dark/Will drives better than that? I am trying to imagine the pairing of Dark with Will at high levels. Do you need that much End? Do you use the End utility Dark power? What, are you running all 3 leadership toggles? lol. Or....(thinking...) are you running that Darkest Night power from soul mastery regular?

Bill Z Bubba · 10-22-2010 04:17 PM

Having not played Invul past 30 or so, I wouldn't know if DM/Inv would be better than DM/WP or not. My assumption would be that one will shine over the other depending on the situation.

Yes, my DM/WP has and uses Darkest Night on every spawn. I don't have Dark Consumption as Stamina+QR + 2 Perf Shifter CF+Ends handle my endurance needs without issue. I also have tough and weave.

Be well, people of CoH.

DarkMaster · 10-22-2010 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba

What you did was waste hard drive space in an attempt to goad me into a BS argument.

Yes, the statement "I like chocolate ice cream" is a statement. It is also an opinion by virtue of the fact that the statement would not exist without the opinions behind the statement: chocolate is the best flavor for ice cream and ice cream is good to eat.

As I said, it was a weak attempt to drag me into an argument of semantics. Those with functional levels of intelligence understood that.

Lol, I wasn't trying to drag you into an argument, but you are definitely trying to drag yourself into one. I was simply pointing out and defining "fact" from "opinion" to the boards. I don't even think I was rude about the way I pointed out your obvious mistake, but once again, you've come off and responded back with arrogant anger. As far as I'm concerned, I'm able to let old posts from previous and seperate threads die, and to not involve them, or my feelings towards another poster, cloud my posting responses in the future. I don't hold grudges between forums and threads, as I feel it's a new start for a chance at intelligent and civil discussion. You, however, seem unable to do that.

Blue_Centurion · 10-22-2010 04:23 PM

If you can run that without Dark Consumption, that tells me I can probably run it on my Dark/Invul with Dark Consumption (especially with the recharge I got running, that thing pops up fast). So I will be taking that added Soul Mastery power when i19 hits and three extra one slot powers opens up. Thanks for the thoughts

Now, worst Brute? (Are there really any bad ones, besides the ones you just do not like?)

How about Dual Blades/Stone. That sounds horrid from concept to completion.

Bill Z Bubba · 10-22-2010 04:32 PM

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You, however, seem unable to do that.

I never claimed that I'd bother to do so. Once I've decided someone is is a waste of space I'll continue to treat them as such until they prove to me that my opinion is no longer valid. You're the only one pretending to be something you're not in this discussion just as you pretended to be innocent in the other thread. Please continue stacking failure upon failure. It's amusing.

BC, DM/Inv with darkest night will be considerably solid. The tohit debuffs stack on invincibility, the damage debuff from DN is great for everyone, Siphon Life deals great damage these days on top of being a solid self-heal to keep you going between Dull Pain cycles. It'll rock.

Be well, people of CoH.

Blue_Centurion · 10-22-2010 04:38 PM

Would you believe I can almost double stack Dull pain? 112.5% Global Recharge with no Hasten power pool. That is how I get Dark Consumption up often enough to power this beast lol. The other benefits (like having Gloom and Dark Obliteration spammable are just sweetening an already great deal) Dark/Invul is solid and Tanky with no Global Recharge, with a ton of Global Recharge it is beautifully horrid destruction walking.