Worst Brute build?


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Originally Posted by Gilia View Post
You said that stating that you like something is not stating an opinion. I find that hilarious more than anything.

When you're done with your dictionary, this should help clear it up for you:
http://pbskids.org/arthur/games/fact...sopinions.html
You might want to go through it a few times to get a variety of questions, before you go "correcting" someone else.

Oh-boy...I really don't wanna raise the dead on this again...but this must be corrected..


You might possibly, actually thoroughly read what was said beforehand, before trying to "correct someone else" as well. This is why so many people have "fact" from "opinion" confused. Because they really don't take the time to read and understand the content.


Had you actually read what I was quoting, you would have saw that yes he was indeed not stating an "opinion" with: I like chocolate ice cream.


If anything that is a fact, and not an "opinion".


Why is it a fact? Simple, because he can prove as to why he likes chocolate ice cream over any other flavor. That's why. It is his own personal favorite, so he can prove why it is. He doesn't draw any other factors or people into the equation, which makes it a proveable personal opinion/taste. So no, that sentence was not an opinion. I gave plenty of examples of opinions in the previous thread, but here's an example of that sentence becoming an "opinion" rather than a "fact".


Pay close attention...


Opinion: I LOVE chocolate ice cream, it's the BEST flavor in the world!


Why is this an "opinion"? Because it is something that one cannot actually prove. It is the person's "own opinion" and "personal taste" as to why he simple looooves chocolate ice cream, however he cannot prove that everyone in the world feels the same way about it. There are too many variables and too many different preferences between people to clearly state that "chocolate ice cream" is the best flavor. I'm sure there are many more people that hate chocolate ice cream but love strawberry ice cream to death. This is why the love of chocolate ice cream is the person's personal opinion.


Once again, in the context that the original sentence was written, it was written as more of a personal taste and/or fact, or simply a statement of what one likes. It was closer to being a "fact" than an "opinion" because it does not draw anyone else into the equation and conclusion of why they like chocolate ice cream. It only included themselves in the conclusion, which can be proven if it's your own personal favorite flavor.


Facts are proveable in formation. It can be numerical facts, historical facts, scientific facts, etc., as long as you can back up what you claim with acceptable proof. In fact, numerical facts are the most easily proved as there is almost no denying them. Here's a couple simple ones:


There are 24 hours in a day.

3 plus 2 equals 5.

There are 12 months in a year.

There are 60 minutes in an hour.

10 minus 3 equals 7.



Thanks for the link btw, because I need to post it for you, which I find hilarious. Here ya go:

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this should help clear it up for you:
http://pbskids.org/arthur/games/fact...sopinions.html
You might want to go through it a few times to get a variety of questions, before you go "correcting" someone else.
I ditto that. Please pay attention next time. Skimming material doesn't help you or anyone else.


Now that everyone has the correct information, lets let this die so the thread can continue without further derailment.


 

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In my opinion, Ice cream is too sweet, and that is a fact.


 

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Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion View Post
In my opinion, Ice cream is too sweet, and that is a fact.
tl;dr
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion
No amount of spinning the semantics is going to change the fact that to say you like something is to claim a value to it that is purely subjective. That's exactly what an opinion is.

It's still hilarious to claim otherwise.

Seriously though, watch the video. Even a kids show can explain it.

Or just google it, or take an English class, whatever works.
http://www.suite101.com/content/fact...on-plan-a87775
Just because you can say "It is a fact that I like ice cream" (and that in its entirety is a fact) doesn't change that "I like ice cream" is an opinion. Words like "like" "think" "feel" "appreciate" "prefer" all signal an opinion.

Sure it's ambigious sometimes.
Statement of Opinion: I love how ridiculous it is to claim otherwise.
Statement of Fact: It is ridiculous to claim otherwise.


@Gilia1
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Originally Posted by Gilia View Post
Just because you can say "It is a fact that I like ice cream" (and that in its entirety is a fact) doesn't change that "I like ice cream" is an opinion.

No, "everyone likes ice cream" is an opinion, because we do not know that "everyone" likes ice cream. You are simply "assuming" that everyone does. Thus, it is an "opinion" and not a "fact". Unless you did a poll on the entire planet and your results came back at 100%, then it is purely opinion that everyone likes ice cream.


On the contrary, you stating "I like ice cream" is not an opinion, because unless you yourself are "unsure" about whether or not you like ice cream, then it is 100% fact, that you do indeed "like ice cream." There is no question in that statement. Is someone going to go up to you after stating that and somehow prove to you that in fact you "do not" like ice cream? Lol, laughable at best.


Andrew: "I like chocolate ice cream!!"

Jack: "No you don't, and I can prove why you don't."

Andrew: "oh yea...you're right...I don't..."


Does that make any sense? Not really.


Yes, in certain contexts, stating "I like ice cream" can be called an "opinion", but only when in those contexts. The subject we are discussing, was not used in those contexts. For example, if you and your friend are about to order dessert at a restaurant, and he asks you: "what do you think of the chocolate ice cream here? What's your opinion on it?" and you then state: "I like their chocolate ice cream", then at that point, yes, you are giving an opinion. You are stating that you like the chocolate ice cream from that particular establishment. There is a "subject matter" involved in this scenario: the restaurant. This would make it your "opinion" on that restaurant's chocolate ice cream. Meanwhile your friend could order the ice cream, get it, and think it's the most horrid chocolate ice cream he's ever tasted. Once again, when used in the correct context, it can be an opinion to like something and not to.


Basically--and what has caused all this confusion--the main problem is that the original example was a horrible example of a basic opinion, and the explanation supporting it did not support it very well:

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Actual opinion: I like chocolate ice cream. <--- This can not be shown to be wrong or right. It is a true opinion.
This can be shown to be wrong or right, because in the context it was used, there is no way to tell someone that they "don't" like chocolate ice cream. This sentence, is the root of all this blather and confusion. As I said, if you had gone back and read what I was referring to with my response, you would have seen the slight error on the original poster's part.


 

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SS/Elec is really strong. I made one the moment CoV came out, got to 50, and they could farm TV better then anything else I saw villainside. Foot Stomp -> Ball Lightning -> Elec Fences, and they can chain knockdown on dangerous bosses. Now that there's Ninja Run, they run 80 mph without a travel power, too. I skipped conserve power, but now that it heals too, it's good.

I don't play them much anymore, but it was my first 50 and really fun to level, if you can deal with some droughts.

Stone/Stone I hated. It's fun to move really slow, be stuck taking a toggle you give up at 38, and having retardo end problems.


 

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Originally Posted by Gilia View Post
tl;dr
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion
No amount of spinning the semantics is going to change the fact that to say you like something is to claim a value to it that is purely subjective. That's exactly what an opinion is.

It's still hilarious to claim otherwise.

Seriously though, watch the video. Even a kids show can explain it.

Or just google it, or take an English class, whatever works.
http://www.suite101.com/content/fact...on-plan-a87775
Just because you can say "It is a fact that I like ice cream" (and that in its entirety is a fact) doesn't change that "I like ice cream" is an opinion. Words like "like" "think" "feel" "appreciate" "prefer" all signal an opinion.

Sure it's ambigious sometimes.
Statement of Opinion: I love how ridiculous it is to claim otherwise.
Statement of Fact: It is ridiculous to claim otherwise.
Hold on. Back up.

I said "In my opinion, Ice cream is too sweet." Indeed, that is an opinion. However, further, I said exactly "In my opinion, Ice cream is too sweet, and that is a fact." It is indeed a fact that I know what my opinion is, and that I stated it. The only basis you have for telling me that statement is not a fact is if you are calling me a liar. Call me a liar, and you will have only thought you were in a flame war before.


 

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Back to the OP. No more ridiculous nonsense about what defines fact and /or opinion. Dave it for private tells, or school public debates.

Worst Brute build...Go.


 

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There was an OP? How about Kinetic Melee / Stone armor lol. You keep knocking your opponents away, and cannot get to them. Life can be so cruel.


 

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Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion View Post
Hold on. Back up.

I said "In my opinion, Ice cream is too sweet." Indeed, that is an opinion. However, further, I said exactly "In my opinion, Ice cream is too sweet, and that is a fact." It is indeed a fact that I know what my opinion is, and that I stated it. The only basis you have for telling me that statement is not a fact is if you are calling me a liar. Call me a liar, and you will have only thought you were in a flame war before.
Sorry, I hit quote on your message on accident. I didn't mean to sound like I disagreed with you, as you clearly understand what's what. My apologies.

Also, it was pretty rude to threadjack over something covered in English 101, so my apologies for that as well.


@Gilia1
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I play villains on Virtue.

 

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Certainly a bad Brute build I'm experiencing right now is Dark Melee/Dark Armor, it doesn't seem to hit as hard as I'd like and there's no KB protect (barely any at all with Acrobatics, if there's a better solution for that I'd like to know) and all sorts of End related problems.


 

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Originally Posted by Jacinto View Post
Certainly a bad Brute build I'm experiencing right now is Dark Melee/Dark Armor, it doesn't seem to hit as hard as I'd like and there's no KB protect (barely any at all with Acrobatics, if there's a better solution for that I'd like to know) and all sorts of End related problems.
dark armor mostly sucks until the upper lvls when you can use IOs to fill in the holes (like a theft of essence chance for +end in dark regeneration, and -kb IOs so you dont even need acro, ect)

once you get it IOd out then it should be pretty good


 

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Originally Posted by Necrotech_Master View Post
dark armor mostly sucks until the upper lvls when you can use IOs to fill in the holes (like a theft of essence chance for +end in dark regeneration, and -kb IOs so you dont even need acro, ect)

once you get it IOd out then it should be pretty good
My Dark Armor brute stopped 'sucking' at about 28. I wouldn't say the armor sucks until late-game, I'd say it's a slow starter.


My guides:Dark Melee/Dark Armor/Soul Mastery, Illusion Control/Kinetics/Primal Forces Mastery, Electric Armor
"Dark Armor is a complete waste as a tanking set."

 

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I wish I had seen your guide on the Dark/Dark brute sooner. -_-


 

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War Mace/Energy Aura?

Oh so pretty, oh so strong?


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om ock i gyllne dosor.
Och rosor i ett sprucket krus
�r st�ndigt alltid rosor."

 

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Worst brute build?

I know a Brute who shall remain nameless that is a Fire Melee/Dark Armor. He has 4 attacks, yes just four, the first four choices. o.O SS, SJ, Teleport and the full medicine pool........ On top of that he believes this brute is epic powerful LOL


 

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Originally Posted by Gypsy_of_Paradox View Post
Worst brute build?

I know a Brute who shall remain nameless that is a Fire Melee/Dark Armor. He has 4 attacks, yes just four, the first four choices. o.O SS, SJ, Teleport and the full medicine pool........ On top of that he believes this brute is epic powerful LOL
Aww, I was going to say something similar to this, but make it more fun.

Any primary, any secondary, only power pool choices after level 6. Throw brawl on auto and never use any other attacks.

Go!


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Originally Posted by Jacinto View Post
I wish I had seen your guide on the Dark/Dark brute sooner. -_-
That's what respec's are for (and you'll be getting a few here real soon for free)


The Porcelain God - DarkKinetics Corruptor
Meat Juice - DarkDarkSoul Brute
Pretty and Strong - Do you really have to ask?

 

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Originally Posted by _Malk_ View Post
Aww, I was going to say something similar to this, but make it more fun.

Any primary, any secondary, only power pool choices after level 6. Throw brawl on auto and never use any other attacks.

Go!
Whats messed up is that I didn't make this up lol