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Yeah, the gate seeding ship may have one or two that they can steal now that they are out of shuttles.
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Originally Posted by spice_weasel
yes. but that looks to fix itself next ep.
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Well, we don't know how far the shuttle crashed from the stargate. For all we know it was an hour away over rugged terrain. But yeah, Riley's death was very poorly written like most things on the show. And yeah, at some point Young's actions will come back to bite him in the ***.
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Originally Posted by QuiJon
Not just that, i can kinda buy the idea that when on the wreck that freeing him would kill him by taking the pressure off the wound, but once the gate is working and you can basicy blink and be back on the ship, why not atleast try. Even if they basic med kit wasnt prepared for the problem you now have access to everything and all the supplies, you can go back to the ship and get what you need, come back, free him and try and get him to the ship. You can use the stones to have a real doctor waiting or even come to the planet with you.
Sure its a life threatening injury and he could have died anyway, but i fail to see, after everything else in the series, why this became a "ill kill you quietly" moment other then im sure at some point the truth will come out at some inopprotune moment when Young is trying to inspire confidence in himself with the crew. |
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Lets hope they can't just build one from scratch like Voyager seemed to be able to do every episode.
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Originally Posted by spice_weasel
yes. but that looks to fix itself next ep.
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Originally Posted by QuiJon
Not just that, i can kinda buy the idea that when on the wreck that freeing him would kill him by taking the pressure off the wound, but once the gate is working and you can basicy blink and be back on the ship, why not atleast try. Even if they basic med kit wasnt prepared for the problem you now have access to everything and all the supplies, you can go back to the ship and get what you need, come back, free him and try and get him to the ship. You can use the stones to have a real doctor waiting or even come to the planet with you.
Sure its a life threatening injury and he could have died anyway, but i fail to see, after everything else in the series, why this became a "ill kill you quietly" moment other then im sure at some point the truth will come out at some inopprotune moment when Young is trying to inspire confidence in himself with the crew. |
Actually it depends on the severity of the injury in his leg. A serious enough injury to the femoral triangle in just one of his legs could result in him dying from blood loss before they could finish extricating him from the wreckage and treat the injury.
And the "I'll kill you quietly" thing could have been easily handled by giving the kid a pistol and letting him finish himself off. My impression was that the kid knew he wasn't going to make it, and the only justification I'd accept for Young to smother him would be if the kid said he couldn't bring himself to commit suicide because of his religion.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Actually it depends on the severity of the injury in his leg. A serious enough injury to the femoral triangle in just one of his legs could result in him dying from blood loss before they could finish extricating him from the wreckage and treat the injury.
And the "I'll kill you quietly" thing could have been easily handled by giving the kid a pistol and letting him finish himself off. My impression was that the kid knew he wasn't going to make it, and the only justification I'd accept for Young to smother him would be if the kid said he couldn't bring himself to commit suicide because of his religion. |
Basically, the kid knew that if he were to ask Young to provide him a means of suicide, it would seriously damage the Colonel's relationship with his crew at that point.
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Sorry but that's a garbage. If anything the crew would see it as an act of mercy by not letting him suffer a long slow agonizing death..
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Originally Posted by Starmage21
They talked about that, during the conversation between Young and the kid. He said something about "I'd ask you for your weapon, but blah blah blah".
Basically, the kid knew that if he were to ask Young to provide him a means of suicide, it would seriously damage the Colonel's relationship with his crew at that point. |
Riley did beg Young to do it, stating that he was in great pain. It's not like it was Young's idea.
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I still say you try. I mean destiny is a big ship itself. So if i got shot and was bleeding out on the ship would they simply kill me where i was or TRY to get me out and to the infirmery to be treated. And sure i might die on the way, however atleast you try.
Riley wasnt dead, he said at the begining he wasnt in pain then later said he was. But seriously yank him out, sure he might think he is going to die anyway, but again, try. Its just IMO a poorly devised plot. Sure now if you at that moment had no hope of reaching the ship or other medical supplies, i could see it but at that point they had the gate working. Hell i would think the first group through would be some doctors from earth that they had on the ready from using the stones.
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That's the thing. The fact that he was still conscious after they tried to move the stuff off of him makes me think he wasn't that severely injured. If one or both of his femoral arteries had been injured then he'd have passed out from blood loss and been near death when they lifted the stuff off his legs. It really happens that fast. |
Originally Posted by QuiJon
I still say you try. I mean destiny is a big ship itself. So if i got shot and was bleeding out on the ship would they simply kill me where i was or TRY to get me out and to the infirmery to be treated. And sure i might die on the way, however atleast you try.
Riley wasnt dead, he said at the begining he wasnt in pain then later said he was. But seriously yank him out, sure he might think he is going to die anyway, but again, try. Its just IMO a poorly devised plot. Sure now if you at that moment had no hope of reaching the ship or other medical supplies, i could see it but at that point they had the gate working. Hell i would think the first group through would be some doctors from earth that they had on the ready from using the stones. |
If his injuries were severe enough that the pressure of the wreckage was the only thing keeping him from bleeding out, then the only way they could have gotten him back to the ship alive would be if they had a pair of MAST trousers to put on him which would have been inflated in order to keep the pressure on his lower extremities and prevented hemorrhaging until they got him back to the ship.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
That's the thing. The fact that he was still conscious after they tried to move the stuff off of him makes me think he wasn't that severely injured. If one or both of his femoral arteries had been injured then he'd have passed out from blood loss and been near death when they lifted the stuff off his legs. It really happens that fast.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
If his injuries were severe enough that the pressure of the wreckage was the only thing keeping him from bleeding out, then the only way they could have gotten him back to the ship alive would be if they had a pair of MAST trousers to put on him which would have been inflated in order to keep the pressure on his lower extremities and prevented hemorrhaging until they got him back to the ship.
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In fact, really, whatever they have in their backpacks is EXACTLY the same level of care that being on the ship would provide, save perhaps the presence of an actual bed to lie on.
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Right. All they have is an empty compartment they converted to an infirmary with the scant medical supplies they brought thru the gate, and even if they used the stones to bring in a doctor/surgeon they still don't have the medical equipment a doctor/surgeon would need to patch him up. |
Originally Posted by NinjaPirate
Or that the writers don't know or don't care how real life works.
Even if they did and got him back to the ship, what could they do? They have no significant medical facilities there. In fact, really, whatever they have in their backpacks is EXACTLY the same level of care that being on the ship would provide, save perhaps the presence of an actual bed to lie on. -k |
And if they suddenly found the ship's actual medical facilities just in time to save his life I think I'd be even more offended at the bad writing.
all the talk about writing on the show has sparked a slow, smoldering burn.
so, if we were to write an episode based on the physical characteristics, how would we solve the niggling bits that haunt .5% of our waking hours?
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An episode based on physical characteristics? Are we talking about the crew of the Destiny encountering a microscopic organism that eats clothing thus forcing the female crew members to wear seashell bikini's?
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Originally Posted by spice_weasel
all the talk about writing on the show has sparked a slow, smoldering burn.
so, if we were to write an episode based on the physical characteristics, how would we solve the niggling bits that haunt .5% of our waking hours? |
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An episode based on physical characteristics? Are we talking about the crew of the Destiny encountering a microscopic organism that eats clothing thus forcing the female crew members to wear seashell bikini's?
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more along the lines of: the environment is what it is, collecting coconuts to fabricate radios is just a touch outside suspension of disbelief, so how could it be engineered from this point in the series forward to lessen the sincere disbelief we all share?
i also suggest that we rename the destiny to 'minnow'.
Kittens give Morbo gas.
The one thing I'm really dreading is that Riley will show up on the created planet and somebody else who is near death will have a vision of the place. There they will see Riley and also TJs baby which will give a sort of pseudo validation to their vision. In other words I worry that the execs have ordered the writers to work in a sort of pseudo religion/mystical aspect because BSG had the whole angels thing and it was popular.
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On one hand it's similar to Star Trek: Voyager. Stuck far from home, no way back yet, limited number of crew you can burn through as a plot point but on the other hand they have very limited resources compared to Voyager, no control (until recently) over the ship. It reminds me of an animated show because everyone wears the same thing every week.
Maybe next week they find some uniform supplies as well as a shuttle or two on the "other" Destiny.
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Originally Posted by spice_weasel
lol, the gilligan's island reference actually helps.
more along the lines of: the environment is what it is, collecting coconuts to fabricate radios is just a touch outside suspension of disbelief, so how could it be engineered from this point in the series forward to lessen the sincere disbelief we all share? i also suggest that we rename the destiny to 'minnow'. |
Actually I was thinking of the movie the Nude Bomb. The original Get Smart movie.
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If the stories were better written we'd probably be more willing to let things slide. For example I don't recall anyone complaining about how how nearly every group SG-1 and the Atlantis teams encountered always spoke perfect modern English.
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Originally Posted by Father Xmas
On one hand it's similar to Star Trek: Voyager. Stuck far from home, no way back yet, limited number of crew you can burn through as a plot point but on the other hand they have very limited resources compared to Voyager, no control (until recently) over the ship. It reminds me of an animated show because everyone wears the same thing every week.
Maybe next week they find some uniform supplies as well as a shuttle or two on the "other" Destiny. |
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That was always kind of interesting about SG-1 and Atlantis and was never fully explained. In interviews on the SGU season 1 Blu-ray, they said that they wanted to specifically avoid that with Universe. Unfortunately by stepping away from the normal, they have kind of come up short in other areas.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
If the stories were better written we'd probably be more willing to let things slide. For example I don't recall anyone complaining about how how nearly every group SG-1 and the Atlantis teams encountered always spoke perfect modern English.
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Originally Posted by Wayfarer
Well, we don't know how far the shuttle crashed from the stargate. For all we know it was an hour away over rugged terrain. But yeah, Riley's death was very poorly written like most things on the show. And yeah, at some point Young's actions will come back to bite him in the ***.
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Riley's being snuffed out by Young was a rather obvious, and ham-fisted, counterpoint to Young's earlier attack on an Alliance soldier. In the case of the Alliance soldier he attempted to strangle him out of anger, in the case of Riley he was doing exactly the same thing but out of compassion. A second layer, such as it was, was added in that Young wanted to strand the Alliance members on the planet where he was unwilling to strand a dying crewmember.
It appears it was intended to be a somewhat subtle character moment for Young.
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Several people commented on this, I just randomly selected this post on it as the reply.
Riley's being snuffed out by Young was a rather obvious, and ham-fisted, counterpoint to Young's earlier attack on an Alliance soldier. In the case of the Alliance soldier he attempted to strangle him out of anger, in the case of Riley he was doing exactly the same thing but out of compassion. A second layer, such as it was, was added in that Young wanted to strand the Alliance members on the planet where he was unwilling to strand a dying crewmember. It appears it was intended to be a somewhat subtle character moment for Young. |
They killed his unborn child. Nothing subtle about it.
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Not subtle to him, subtle to the viewing audience. Judging by us as the (not exactly scuentifically selected) example, it was quite subtle since no one had mentioned it in the discussion of the suffocation.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
They killed his unborn child. Nothing subtle about it.
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My problem with it was tiny mundane things.
First, a shuttle with no safety harnesses. Maybe the original crew had advanced far enough that they had inertia dampening fields built into each seat. But if the current crew can't figure out how to activate those systems then they would have cobbled together some sort of seat belts out of cargo straps or belts or something. Not could have. Would have.
Second. Have tourniquets become a forgotten technology? There appeared to be plenty of clearance under the beam to get a couple around his legs. And if Scott could lift it enough by himself to let TJ get her hand underneath then a few more strong people, or even a lever (evidently another forgotten technology) would have been enough to lift the beam and get Riley out.
So to sum it up. What bothers me most about shows that feature advanced technology is when everybody completely forgets basic technology that anybody off the street could cobble together. If they wanted to kill Riley off then fine, let him die from complications or blood loss due to not having sufficient medical supplies. Don't do it because nobody remembers technology so simple a caveman could use it.
Sure its a life threatening injury and he could have died anyway, but i fail to see, after everything else in the series, why this became a "ill kill you quietly" moment other then im sure at some point the truth will come out at some inopprotune moment when Young is trying to inspire confidence in himself with the crew.