Emperor Cole at the end of the Power Loyalist Arc...

Tyrant and his thugs would still have to be removed though, to liberate the drugged slaves left behind, and because he and his stormtroopers would still be poluting American soil with their presence, so they'd have to be gotten rid of, so the whole country would be free again.

Ah, but I gave all the plot hooks needed for the new Paragon to need heroes to help them with their corruption and fend off Emperor cole's people!

That's the beauty of it! They would still be in America! Just another part of it! ;D

... IN AMERICA!

Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow City of Heroes is a game about freedom of expression and variety of experiences far more so than it is about representing any one theme, topic or genre.

Cole's an American! Stop telling Cole to get out of America! AMERICA! You don't have the right to tell Cole to go away! This is his home!

You're still hung up on "It's America!" aren't you?

America, in that world, is gone. Dead. Finito. Kaput. Shin. Ashes.

Passed on. America is no more. It has ceased to be. It is expired and gone off to meet it's maker. Bereft of Life, it Rests in Peace. If you weren't nailing it up to the wall it would be pushing up the daisies. The legislative processes are history. It's off the Twig, it's kicked the bucket. It has shuffled off the mortal coil and joined the bleeding choir invisible.

America is an Ex-Nation.

The land USED to be America in much the same way most of Europe and Asia and even parts of Africa were once part of Rome or Germany. Now it is Praetoria.

-Rachel-

If he was a genuine American, he wouldn't be doing the things he doing

Sure he would! Land of opportunity! Rich get richer, poor get turned into mindslaves! Greed is good! Use the system to your advantage. AMERICA! YEAH!

The moments the Wardens leave they'd be Hamidon-Snacks.

No, that's just Tyrant's name for his Fourth Reich - the country is still America, and the people are still Americans - and they'll be getting help from their Primal Earth sisters and brothers to reclaim their country from the fascists.

It seems strange that they have a network to smuggle people out of the city then if they're just going to get eaten

If it were really America they wouldn't have nuked their own cities trying to kill an enemy that didn't die the first time they nuked it.

I will continue re-quoting that piece of text every time you say "But Amurrica!" or some variation of the same.

-Rachel-

You asked for it!

The next generation of people have already been born in Praetoria. It is now Praetoria, not America. By your logic all Americans are actually British, since America is just a bunch of British Colonies that renamed themselves.

-Rachel-

Ah, but part of the point is that the Resistance does apparently know safe places outside of Praetoria, there are still, apparently people alive out there...
There is wild, dangerous, ugly, yet beautiful, gentle, and better world beyond those Sonic Fences.

MEMBERS OF THE RESISTANCE! WHO IS TIRED OF THE ENDLESS WAR WHEN FRIEND OR FOE IS NEVER CLEAR?! WHO WISHES TO USE THIS SAME ENERGY WE PUT FORTH FIGHTING TO INSTEAD MAKE A BETTER LIFE FOR OURSELVES AND OUR CHILDREN?

THEN JOIN ME! BEYOND THE SONIC FENCES AS WE HAVE DONE FOR SO MANY OTHERS! COME WITH ME TO A NEW LAND!

Also, Golden girl is officially confirmed to really be Bandit Keith from the Yugioh Abridged Series.

Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow City of Heroes is a game about freedom of expression and variety of experiences far more so than it is about representing any one theme, topic or genre.

Desperately shrieking the praises of Tyrant's thousand year reich doesn't make the existence of Praetorian American any less real, no matter how much the stormtroopers might wish it was gone

Attention duelists! Doesn't that mean she's secretly Canadian?

Desperately shrieking the praise of a dead nation doesn't make the existence of Praetoria any less real, no matter how much the terrorists might wish it was never built.

All of GG's posts fix'd.

I'm not shrieking praise at Cole. he's a monster and so are his oligarchs. that doesn't change the fact that America is dead on Praetorian Earth and the Resistance has the Option to leave (as shown by their "Smuggling" of people out of the city) but choose, instead, to intentionally kill innocent civilians, or get themselves killed.

Leave Praetoria without a backward glance. Maybe eventually set up peace-talks with Cole's Regime to get other people out, later. So long as you live peaceably and publicly alongside Praetoria he won't have the option to take you out while maintaining his facade of being a decent person to the populace.

-Rachel-

oh for god sake don't go dragging us into this

She won't acknowledge it Ben. She also fails to acknowledge heroes in City of do indeed kill people. Tarantula units (they explode with the pilot inside), Warhulks (explode with the person inside leaving no sign of the body unlike Sky Skiffs), Fake Nemesis' (they have real brains inside of them, plus at the end of the Eternal Nemesis arc, you were kind of sent to kill Nemesis), Malta titans, and possibly the floaty Arachnos Drones, specifically the coordinators since Marshal Brass has mentioned Arbiter drones use human heads, not a stretch to imagine the less important versions don't do the same.

Steam, Ben, it's as said earlier, convincing Golden Girl she's wrong about ANYTHING is harder than changing the current of the Nile through logical discourse.

So let's get onto something of a related but unrelated topic.

Like how well do you think life outside the Sonic Fences does? I'm planning an AE arc here in my head.

Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow City of Heroes is a game about freedom of expression and variety of experiences far more so than it is about representing any one theme, topic or genre.

Probably pretty Brutal.

Remember, there are multiple "Praetoria" cities dotted across the globe, where Cole's rule is still law (though they likely have their own Praetors who are potentially less insane than the ones in the Capital).

If you're out in the Jungles for any real length of time you'll probably be overtaken by the Will of the Earth and turn into a devoured. But if the Resistance actually has a refugee city somewhere then it's a defensible position they could reinforce and eventually expand. Though they'd still need a clean water source which isn't contaminated by the DE.

I think it's far more likely people smuggled out of the capital are just taken to a different Praetorian city, where the Praetors are more lenient and aren't so oppressive.

-Rachel-