Bubbles please
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Posted on: 2010-09-18 16:48 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
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They started out as villains who don't use soap? i never saw a Dev statement specifically about Force Fields and Corruptors, but i'm guessing the rationale was that evil doesn't make any real effort to protect others, thus why Corruptors didn't get Empathy either. Of course this is based on the rather silly and narrow view that all villains are short-sighted, selfish idiots who only think in the very short term, but then much of the City of Villains background is based on that assumption.|
Originally Posted by Redd Rumm
I have been on this for a while an here i go again .
Is there a reaon that corruptors dont have bubbles ?  |
Maybe that will change during the next wave of power proliferation.
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With side-switching now available, why does it have to be a corrupter?
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I'm assuming because they are not a fan of Defenders painfully low damage.
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Originally Posted by GhoulSlayer
With side-switching now available, why does it have to be a corrupter?
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i am a fan of the thinking that every At should have at least one set whether it be primary or secondary that only belongs to them. With going rogue, the lines between many AT's are bluring. Defenders and Corrupters are so close that I want each to have thier own unique sets. Tanks/Brutes are almost in the same boat. I know each AT has it's perk with the inherant, but I want to add some flavor in the game with the sets as well.
Then again, I think empathy should aggro, so i am in the minority here.
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Even before GR, really. Power set proliferation FTL.
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Originally Posted by Medic_brietz
i am a fan of the thinking that every At should have at least one set whether it be primary or secondary that only belongs to them. With going rogue, the lines between many AT's are bluring.
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I like bubbles, but they are a bit boring in terms of 'doing'. With dark miasma or rad or even TA youre doing something and it looks like youre doing something.....even if that something puts you into an early dirtnap....but bubbles, sonic, lamepathy and lolpaindom just look alot like standing around, not doing much.
The only exception of the above is Bubbles and Sonic do do something......unlike lamepaths and thier healbot inbred twin cousin lolpaindom. Bubble types actually protect the team.
Sorry kids, one fortitude isnt protecting a TEAM.
So, with all that in mind.....mostly its an ACTION sim this here MMO and FF doesnt bring much action......although bulldozing is funny.
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Wow, I hope I never have to team with you.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Freak
I like bubbles, but they are a bit boring in terms of 'doing'. With dark miasma or rad or even TA youre doing something and it looks like youre doing something.....even if that something puts you into an early dirtnap....but bubbles, sonic, lamepathy and lolpaindom just look alot like standing around, not doing much.
The only exception of the above is Bubbles and Sonic do do something......unlike lamepaths and thier healbot inbred twin cousin lolpaindom. Bubble types actually protect the team. Sorry kids, one fortitude isnt protecting a TEAM. So, with all that in mind.....mostly its an ACTION sim this here MMO and FF doesnt bring much action......although bulldozing is funny. |
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Hes got a good point though. |
Originally Posted by Miyabi
Wow, I hope I never have to team with you.
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You don't do alot with Bubbles, but you bring more protection to the team then an Emp that is constantly spamming heals.
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i don't know about a "good" point. Yes, a bubbler is better than an Emp that is constantly spamming heals, but that's like saying a bubbler that uses the teammate shields brings more to a team than a bubbler that is constantly using just Repulsion Field and Force Bolt.|
Originally Posted by Candlestick
Hes got a good point though.
You don't do alot with Bubbles, but you bring more protection to the team then an Emp that is constantly spamming heals. |
Yes, when both sets are used at the dumbest and most basic level bubbles comes out ahead, especially on large teams. That's part of the reason many people consider Force Fields better as a secondary than a primary. Nonetheless both Force Fields and Empathy are very powerful when used well.
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Except using FF well requires the use of 3 powers, one of which you toggle on and forget. |
Originally Posted by Schismatrix
i don't know about a "good" point. Yes, a bubbler is better than an Emp that is constantly spamming heals, but that's like saying a bubbler that uses the teammate shields brings more to a team than a bubbler that is constantly using just Repulsion Field and Force Bolt.
Yes, when both sets are used at the dumbest and most basic level bubbles comes out ahead, especially on large teams. That's part of the reason many people consider Force Fields better as a secondary than a primary. Nonetheless both Force Fields and Empathy are very powerful when used well. |
It's a dull set that brings extremely large benefits. I can understand why the Devs might not want to port it till they do a little revamping of FF to be a touch more active.
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Well Said Schismatrix |
Originally Posted by Schismatrix
i don't know about a "good" point. Yes, a bubbler is better than an Emp that is constantly spamming heals, but that's like saying a bubbler that uses the teammate shields brings more to a team than a bubbler that is constantly using just Repulsion Field and Force Bolt.
Yes, when both sets are used at the dumbest and most basic level bubbles comes out ahead, especially on large teams. That's part of the reason many people consider Force Fields better as a secondary than a primary. Nonetheless both Force Fields and Empathy are very powerful when used well. |
The constant bashing of my two favorite defender primary sets is very silly. It just seems that some folks derive pleasure in bashing powersets that they don't like. When they could be educating new players that come to the game and form these bad playing habits.
That's what I see other Veteran players on these boards attempting to do
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I find my FF to be very active. True I'm not having to use my bubbles often but I have other FF powers, a whole set of blasts, and even some APP powers. All of which do get thrown around constantly in between bubbling. To some the fact that you don't have to spam the bubbles is a very large part of why FF is great. A person can actually use the rest of their powers instead of having to spam just a few over and over again.
If you feel FF is boring because you don't actively use alot of its powers then a large number of scrappers/tanks/brutes/stalkers/SoAs should also be boring. All you do with your defensive powers is toggle them on and forget about them. The FF atleast has to remember to bubble everyone every three and a half minutes.
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... no. He didn't have a point.|
Originally Posted by Candlestick
Hes got a good point though.
You don't do alot with Bubbles, but you bring more protection to the team then an Emp that is constantly spamming heals. |
And no, it seems like you have about a firm a grasp on what empathy does as that poster does over what Force Field does: Absolutely none.
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Tell me about it. Take the Tips missions for Rogue vs. Villain. Often, it the choice of being smart, and choosing to maximize you personal benefits (Rogue), or being a destructive moron, throwing death and destruction around just because... (Villain.)|
Originally Posted by Schismatrix
Of course this is based on the rather silly and narrow view that all villains are short-sighted, selfish idiots who only think in the very short term, but then much of the City of Villains background is based on that assumption.
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The latter doesn't sound like a villain to me. Just a psychotic thug that wouldn't amount to much in normal situations...
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Originally Posted by je_saist
... no. He didn't have a point.
And no, it seems like you have about a firm a grasp on what empathy does as that poster does over what Force Field does: Absolutely none. |
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Originally Posted by Candlestick
Hes got a good point though.
You don't do alot with Bubbles, but you bring more protection to the team then an Emp that is constantly spamming heals. |
Personally, if i had the choice between FF and an emp/paindom that just spammed heals, i'll take the bubbles...hands down.
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Originally Posted by Smiling_Joe
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I have no dev mindreading capabilities, but I think they agree that
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I happen to like the set a lot, but almost everyone wants it to be the set that someone ELSE brings to the game.| It's a dull set that brings extremely large benefits. |
Turning one of the knockdowns into a Fireball-level AOE was a large improvement, in my opinion.
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Three perma forted blasters, with massive regen, recovery and status protection paired with an adren boosted scrapper can chill with me anytime.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Freak
Sorry kids, one fortitude isnt protecting a TEAM.
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I'm extremely aware of what a great Emp brings to a team. They bring high levels of recovery, regen, Fortitude for about 3 players(Or more depending on slotting), AB boost, and Mez protection. A great emp is welcome on a team anytime.|
Originally Posted by je_saist
... no. He didn't have a point.
And no, it seems like you have about a firm a grasp on what empathy does as that poster does over what Force Field does: Absolutely none. |
But those great emps tend to be extremely rare. The vast majority of the time, the Emps I see put Fort up on the tank, and follow him around spamming HO and HA.
Conversely, Bubblers are nearly impossible to screw up(Although to be fair, I have seen bad bubblers, they just tend to be much, much rarer). You only need to take 3 powers, 1 which you toggle on and forget, and the other 2 you just have to click once every 4 minutes.
I'll take the Bubbler over the emp nearly every time, because I know what I can expect with a Bubbler. Picking up an Emp who is not a friend is like playing roulette.
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Agreed. That was one of my first thoughts as well since i've teamed with some good Empaths on my Blasters and survived alphas my solo Scrappers might balk at.|
Originally Posted by SinisterDirge
Three perma forted blasters, with massive regen, recovery and status protection paired with an adren boosted scrapper can chill with me anytime.
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Then again i've noticed a posting pattern of moderate knowledge combined with minimal competence for the one you replied to, so i don't take those posts too seriously when i see them.
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Too bad that none of that lasts as long as shields......with large gaps in between.....so while your blasters with nothing are running like stalkers and the scrapper is doing scrapper things is still doing his thing.....the team that took the bubbler is going strong from 0-240 seconds.|
Originally Posted by SinisterDirge
Three perma forted blasters, with massive regen, recovery and status protection paired with an adren boosted scrapper can chill with me anytime.
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Like Je-aist said, he knows nothing of emps...oh wait its everyone else that knows nothing and only Je-aist knows this game and its typical player. Sorry dude, youve been served....again.
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same can be said about everyone on this board especially you, and has been said. Welcome to the internet. |
Originally Posted by Schismatrix
Agreed. That was one of my first thoughts as well since i've teamed with some good Empaths on my Blasters and survived alphas my solo Scrappers might balk at.
Then again i've noticed a posting pattern of moderate knowledge combined with minimal competence for the one you replied to, so i don't take those posts too seriously when i see them. |
Unlike you forum jockeys, ive been playing and teaming with people that arent my friends for quite some time. Ive seen the BS the Devs and puggers pull all the time (devs with the game as a whole, the puggers in the game itself)
I can tell you hands down that Empathy is a terrible set compared to everything else. One AB isnt the end all and be all. But you posters act like it is. 3 forts barely make a team, at that level anything will serve you. EVEN 4 people spamming aoe immob. Man builds. O2 boost. And you have the audacity to think that Empathy is 'teh gr34t3st ting eva'?
Plskthnxbai.
So, for the short sighted, need h34lz crowd....Rad/dark/storm>cold/ta/>either bubbles/ traps>inspirations>a sharp stick in the eye>heavy drinking> Lamepathy played well/lolpaindom> Lamepathy/lolpaindom played by 99% of the user base including the devs who made the set
Thats the rating system. You can disagree but youd simply be wrong......well maybe drinking would be better than a sharp stick in the eye.....
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Originally Posted by Captain_Freak
same can be said about everyone on this board especially you, and has been said. Welcome to the internet.
Unlike you forum jockeys, ive been playing and teaming with people that arent my friends for quite some time. Ive seen the BS the Devs and puggers pull all the time (devs with the game as a whole, the puggers in the game itself) I can tell you hands down that Empathy is a terrible set compared to everything else. One AB isnt the end all and be all. But you posters act like it is. 3 forts barely make a team, at that level anything will serve you. EVEN 4 people spamming aoe immob. Man builds. O2 boost. And you have the audacity to think that Empathy is 'teh gr34t3st ting eva'? Plskthnxbai. So, for the short sighted, need h34lz crowd....Rad/dark/storm>cold/ta/>either bubbles/ traps>inspirations>a sharp stick in the eye>heavy drinking> Lamepathy played well/lolpaindom> Lamepathy/lolpaindom played by 99% of the user base including the devs who made the set Thats the rating system. You can disagree but youd simply be wrong......well maybe drinking would be better than a sharp stick in the eye..... |
No.
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I really wish more people realized this. I was on a TF the other day with my bubbler. I was keeping everyone bubbled pretty well, except for when they ran away from me when I tried to bubble them and then went and aggroed another spawn and promptly died. After enough of them running from my bubbles every time I started bubbling, I ran a little experiment of my own. I let them all run around without bubbles for a minute. Three people died during that minute. So I started bubbling them all again, even though they were running away from me constantly (even if I bubbled mid combat, when you would think they'd all be close enough together to get them all; nope, the blaster went down another hallway and aggroed another group). They didn't notice at all, and over the course of the TF I got no thanks for bubbling, but the Dom with the Medicine pool got thanked every time someone ran away from me and out of my Dispersion Bubble and got hurt.|
Originally Posted by Captain_Freak
The only exception of the above is Bubbles and Sonic do do something......
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No wonder I hadn't played my bubbler in 2 years.
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Force Fields is one of the sets to suffer the biggest disparity between Defender level anmd Corrupter/Controller level performance.|
Originally Posted by Redd Rumm
I have been on this for a while an here i go again .
Is there a reaon that corruptors dont have bubbles ? |
It goes from keeping out 95% of all damage to keeping out about 2/3rds of all damage. Its still adequate at protecting a team, but a bit lacklustre on its own without any other source of mitigation.
Then again, so is Sonic Resonance, but Corrupters got that.
I think at the start of CoV, Force Fields probably got elbowed out by the two new shield sets (Thermal and Cold) and hasn't been proliferated since. I don't think theres a reason it wouldn't get proliferated eventually.
I have been on this for a while an here i go again .
Is there a reaon that corruptors dont have bubbles ?