So what do you guys think of this?
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Posted on: 2010-09-18 15:23 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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If you enjoy farming, sure they'll work. But farming is a solo activity. One electric/shield or one arch/mm can solo the map themselves. There's honestly no need for the rest of the "padders" - even though the padders are farm characters.|
Originally Posted by AresSupreme
I am genuinely looking for feedback. Not looking to start a huge debate about farming and anti-farming lol.
Anyways, I used to run a pretty cool farming SG, had a bunch of cool people that enjoyed farming and pvping quite a bit, and it was probably the best time I have ever had in this game. So here's the thing. I'm thinking about getting a vent server, and jumpstarting my SG. Right now I am the only member. My thing used to be "Join the SG, level a fire/kin, and be a true part of our ranks". This time around, i'm thinking about having everyone make a Burst Damage farmer as opposed to a DoT farmer. I figured I would have everyone roll an elec/shield scrapper, or a arch/mm blaster. The concept would be, we jump in a group of 53s or 4s x 8 and hit shield charge, then lightning rod, and hopefully there is very little left or nothing... Before I go and do this, how effective do you guys think these combinations would be on a farming map? i'm talking 8x elec/shields or 8x arch/mm, and I also had some others stuff in mind, just wanna get this sorted. |
From a strictly make a lot of inf in a short amount of time, marketeering can net you far more with a lot less effort.
Maybe instead you want to focus on running TFs at the highest difficulty levels possible - I think a lot of players can get behind that. It's sort of like farming but can have more combinations of different ATs.
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It looks like he likes to run large single minded groups through as many NPCs as the game can muster as quickly as possible. Suggestions of alternate play styles doesn't seem productive for this.
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Originally Posted by Fury Flechette
If you enjoy farming, sure they'll work. But farming is a solo activity. One electric/shield or one arch/mm can solo the map themselves. There's honestly no need for the rest of the "padders" - even though the padders are farm characters.
From a strictly make a lot of inf in a short amount of time, marketeering can net you far more with a lot less effort. Maybe instead you want to focus on running TFs at the highest difficulty levels possible - I think a lot of players can get behind that. It's sort of like farming but can have more combinations of different ATs. |
Yeah, I don't necessarily enjoy solo farming though which is where the issue comes in. I've done this before and met a bunch of great people and eventually we started doing tons of Tfs also. Main reason we broke up was I stopped playing the game and everything fell apart. I just love the speed of farming, and to see things get crushed.
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Originally Posted by AresSupreme
Yeah, I don't necessarily enjoy solo farming though which is where the issue comes in. I've done this before and met a bunch of great people and eventually we started doing tons of Tfs also. Main reason we broke up was I stopped playing the game and everything fell apart. I just love the speed of farming, and to see things get crushed.
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If you play with other people, that's not farming. That's called teaming.
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Farming is not defined by the size of the team. It's the repetition of a specific group of objectives. In CoX it's normally used to refer to the repeated running the same mission or group of missions.
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Originally Posted by Perfect_Pain
If you play with other people, that's not farming. That's called teaming.
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Yeah but in this particular case i'm just adding what I like to a fun group of people. Worked out before, just trying to figure out the specifics not the philosophical nature of it.
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Originally Posted by AresSupreme
Yeah but in this particular case i'm just adding what I like to a fun group of people. Worked out before, just trying to figure out the specifics not the philosophical nature of it.
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Not even close. Farming is farming, regardless of how many are on the team. You're confusing the concepts because most farmers have the goal of maximizing return and being solo brings in the most rewards. However, the OP specifically described an SG based on group farming as a social activity. It's still farming. It's just not the same way most people farm since income is not the primary goal.
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Originally Posted by Perfect_Pain
If you play with other people, that's not farming. That's called teaming.
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In response to the actual question raised in the OP: those powersets will work fine. In fact, with a team of 8 setted 50s, played by competent people, damn near anything will work. The "uber" builds are only really needed if are attempting to solo said enemies.
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Agreed. There is a difference. A lot farmers are driven, dedicated individuals who are using an efficient (in their minds) means to reach a goal. Thats not a bad thing in my mind.
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Originally Posted by Fiery-Enforcer
Farming =/= exploiting, just saying.
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I'd rather have Farmers than PL'ers.
One generates tons of loot.
The other generates slots needing loot.
The one generating loot might be selling the stuff I want to buy.
Edit: To the OP: Ever consider joining (or starting) a Global channel for Farmers? Might take a little boredom/loneliness out of solo-grinding
i disagree with the assumption that farming is automatically equivalent to exploiting. Running the ITF several times day by cycling through alts is effectively farming. In what manner is that also exploiting?
i don't bother with farming most times since the game for me is more about reading the stories, chatting with friends, teaming with friends and making things go boom, which doesn't require farming to do. There have been a few times when i farmed for a little bit to see if i could do it and get the resources for a particular item i wanted, but it gets boring quickly after you've determined that it's effective. (For me at least.) Still, if someone finds farming fun it still doesn't bother me. i guess i'm not sensitive enough.
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Originally Posted by Ironblade
Not even close. Farming is farming, regardless of how many are on the team. You're confusing the concepts because most farmers have the goal of maximizing return and being solo brings in the most rewards. However, the OP specifically described an SG based on group farming as a social activity. It's still farming. It's just not the same way most people farm since income is not the primary goal.
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"group farming" can be efficient game play and nothing more. I remember running the last respec trial when it was called a money bags run ... I never thought of it as farming. However if someone said "Lets farm the third respec trial" .. well then would that be group farming?
personally I see farming as repetitive content and/or resetting a mission. so group farming I guess could be running the "Demon map" with friends for an hour or two resetting it every few minutes.
However when I do an ITF "at the speed of dUmb" that isn't farming just being efficient (though at 22 minutes and doing 8 in a day some may call it that.)
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Yeah, pretty much this. If the OP wants to start such a SG, s/he'd get plenty of joiners I reckon, and if everybody can coordinate or alternate RoAs and Shield Charges serially then it sounds quite farming-efficient.
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Originally Posted by Morac_Ex_Machina
In response to the actual question raised in the OP: those powersets will work fine. In fact, with a team of 8 setted 50s, played by competent people, damn near anything will work. The "uber" builds are only really needed if are attempting to solo said enemies.
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But, farming HAS caused things in the non-AE game to be changed. |
Originally Posted by Ironblade
Some exploiting involves farming, some does not. Farming can be exploitative; or not. |
Shadowhunter's map is now timed, it didn't used to be.
Dreck's map is now timed, it didn't used to be.
Comm Officer portals no longer give XP.
Portal-spawned Behemoths no longer give XP.
High level Family mobs got their rewards reduced.
All of those things are verifiably true, so farming HAS had a negative impact on the game, because it seems the devs would rather the players not stop at one mission and run nothing else for the rest of that character's career.
Do I, personally, have an issue with farming? Not really, but when it's taken to the point that it starts to get things changed in a negative way I start getting a little annoyed with it.
If you happen to enjoy farming, go for it. As long as what you're doing doesn't impact MY playing, I won't care. If you farm something to the point that the devs feel the need to alter it, THEN I might have an issue with it.
As far as the OP's question goes, any of those powersets should do well. I also suggest perhaps spines/fire scrappers as well.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately. |
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Actually that's probably a lot more to do with chinese gold sellers who were PLing people doing that, rather than farming per se. Possibly a semantic explanation but the difference (to me at least) is important
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Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
But, farming HAS caused things in the non-AE game to be changed.
Shadowhunter's map is now timed, it didn't used to be. Dreck's map is now timed, it didn't used to be. Comm Officer portals no longer give XP. Portal-spawned Behemoths no longer give XP. High level Family mobs got their rewards reduced. |
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Originally Posted by Scarlet Shocker
Actually that's probably a lot more to do with chinese gold sellers who were PLing people doing that, rather than farming per se. Possibly a semantic explanation but the difference (to me at least) is important
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Yes, I know, we can't possibly have access to that kind of proof as players. However, I guess that is why I would never make such a statement, as far as I can tell it is 100% un-verifiable.
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People were going to exploit MA. Prior to it going live, I flat out said that it would be used for primarily power leveling and farming, and the majority of the missions would be trash. I was told by several posters, "I have better faith in humaity than that, you can't know what's going to happen." and "Some of the best games out there thrive on player generated content. Look at the mods made for Neverwinter Nights." Others were mentioned of course. I do not want to sound like a hypocrite, but the MA was a bad idea from the start. Sure, I made a mission, and I am working on my other two slots. I am also a very story driven person and am working on actually making a story.|
Originally Posted by Ironblade
These words do not mean what you think they mean. If we juggle things around a bit, you'll have part of it right. People did 'exploit' MA missions and so they had to be adjusted.
Some exploiting involves farming, some does not. Farming can be exploitative; or not. |
Here is an irony for everyone. Co* was not the first MMO to make character created content. Ous may be bette, but we did not make it 1st.
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If you can't get below 20 minutes, how is that farming? Yes I am joking.|
Originally Posted by _23X_
However when I do an ITF "at the speed of dUmb" that isn't farming just being efficient (though at 22 minutes and doing 8 in a day some may call it that.)
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To the original poster. If you got 8 ele/shd to farm you should consider splitting into more then one group on the map.
Good luck in your fun.
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MA as released was the worst product for COH. The beta testers (yes the ones who claim to be so thorough) and the developers all missed the levels of exploiting that could and would occur. But then again how could it be?|
Originally Posted by Ironblade
These words do not mean what you think they mean. If we juggle things around a bit, you'll have part of it right. People did 'exploit' MA missions and so they had to be adjusted.
Some exploiting involves farming, some does not. Farming can be exploitative; or not. |
Personally, I believe MA was released just the way it was for a reason. It served its purpose and then was cut down to size. Farmers were just the ones who got blamed.
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Farming and PVP both have caused changes to the game. I tie pvp here as well because I have more issue with the negative impact caused by PVP. But with regard to Claws list, the key word is negatively.|
Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
But, farming HAS caused things in the non-AE game to be changed.
Shadowhunter's map is now timed, it didn't used to be. Dreck's map is now timed, it didn't used to be. Comm Officer portals no longer give XP. Portal-spawned Behemoths no longer give XP. High level Family mobs got their rewards reduced. All of those things are verifiably true, so farming HAS had a negative impact on the game, because it seems the devs would rather the players not stop at one mission and run nothing else for the rest of that character's career. Do I, personally, have an issue with farming? Not really, but when it's taken to the point that it starts to get things changed in a negative way I start getting a little annoyed with it. If you happen to enjoy farming, go for it. As long as what you're doing doesn't impact MY playing, I won't care. If you farm something to the point that the devs feel the need to alter it, THEN I might have an issue with it. As far as the OP's question goes, any of those powersets should do well. I also suggest perhaps spines/fire scrappers as well. |
If Shadowhunter's map is now timed and a non farmer would do it one time and move on, how is that negatively impacting?
If Dreck's map is now timed and a non farmer would do it one time and move on, how is that negatively impacting?
These three I agree were caused by Farmers. I have not felt or noticed the negative impact, but I can appreciate the annoyance of it.
Comm Officer portals no longer give XP.
Portal-spawned Behemoths no longer give XP.
High level Family mobs got their rewards reduced.
Just call it a superteam and end the debate
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Done. And Done. Thank you to those who participating in the ACTUAL point of the post. Starting to get the SG up and running again today. As for this post, I shall be taking my leave before it gets really ugly.
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Originally Posted by Phillygirl
Just call it a superteam and end the debate
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I am genuinely looking for feedback. Not looking to start a huge debate about farming and anti-farming lol.
Anyways, I used to run a pretty cool farming SG, had a bunch of cool people that enjoyed farming and pvping quite a bit, and it was probably the best time I have ever had in this game. So here's the thing. I'm thinking about getting a vent server, and jumpstarting my SG. Right now I am the only member. My thing used to be "Join the SG, level a fire/kin, and be a true part of our ranks". This time around, i'm thinking about having everyone make a Burst Damage farmer as opposed to a DoT farmer.
I figured I would have everyone roll an elec/shield scrapper, or a arch/mm blaster. The concept would be, we jump in a group of 53s or 4s x 8 and hit shield charge, then lightning rod, and hopefully there is very little left or nothing...
Before I go and do this, how effective do you guys think these combinations would be on a farming map? i'm talking 8x elec/shields or 8x arch/mm, and I also had some others stuff in mind, just wanna get this sorted.