How will the new inherent fitness pool be for Khelds?

Huh. I'm finding it a tiny bit difficult to be excited for Stamina in Forms. I've never even wanted Stamina on my 'Shade because of how awesome Stygian Circle is. Instant Rest after each spawn - who needs Stamina?

Now, Swift and Hurdle for Dwarf Form is something I can be excited for.

Not overly bothered by inherent Fitness. The only pool power either of my Khelds has (or had planned to get) is Hasten, and that's only to help counter Nictus and Nova/Dwarf mobs within mission maps.

If I get Fitness as inherent, fine. If not, it's no loss for my Khelds. It's going to screw up all my other character's builds, though. Most of them took Fitness partly because there aren't many other powers I like enough to bother with. My Corruptor isn't even going to get more than the 4 Storm Summoning powers she already has, since the other 5 don't fit her basic concept. I'm having to fill up with CJ/Athletics and Tough/Weave as it is. If I get 3-4 extra power choices, I'm going to have to pick powers that don't suit her or ones I'll never even use.

I see people raving about the Numina and Miracle IO procs, but quite frankly, I don't see them giving enough of a bonus for me to spend a fortune to get them for each character. The only time I have endurance problems on my Tanker (Invul/SS) is when I use Hasten, which I can usually do without.

I wish you could turn a power pick into more slots. Even just one more slot. There are a lot of powers on my WS build I took just because I had to take a power, but adding a slot somewhere else would be preferred.

Regarding the thread topic of Stamina, though, WS Stygian Circle solves stamina, except in AV fights, where there's nothing to drain, so I'll be looking forward to Stamina for that.

Castle hath spoken; the new version of Stamina will work for Kheldians in forms.

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Originally Posted by Castle Yes, these powers will work while in Crab or Squid form as a Kheldian, which is different from the Pool versions of the powers.

Won't this change remove most of the reasons to have a human form only build? I've just been playing around with Mids and it looks like with the help of IO's my triform PB will be able to pick up and 4 slot another human form melee attack which means it will go from being a good scrapper to a great one (especially when those Alpha Slot Cardiac things which give another 20% damage resistance become available!) and it can already blast and tank pretty effectively.

Also, Group Energy Flight and Quantum Flight actually might be worth taking now, amazingly enough.

Has anyone tested Dwarf form with 3-slotted swift yet to see if it moves at a reasonable rate?

That's a great idea. We should organize a "rhino stampede" with a bunch of Dwarves who have 3 slotted leaping and swift.

This is a great addition to my other dream of a Nova armada (20 or more) floating around in a PvP zone blasting non-stop at anything that moves.

So I got on test to see how this was...

With a 3-slotted (with running) Swift, Dwarf runs about as fast as your regular model without sprint on. A definite upgrade, but maybe not worth the extra slots. I'll probably stick with the one slot and call it good.

With 3-slotted (with jumping) Leaping, Dwarf jumps pretty high and pretty fast...I'd say as fast and high as a well-slotted Combat Jumping.

It's nice to have the Inherent Fitness carry over into forms...

The increased movement in dwarf is especially nice, since one of the things I've always hated about him is how slow he feels simply because of his lower run speed.

I'd be a little concerned that a faster-flying nova form (from swift) and no access to combat jumping will cause more 'drift' as I stop moving, and leave me slightly 'off' my intended position. This isn't a huge deal except for aiming the nova scatter attack, since the difference in outcomes between a well-aimed cone and a badly-aimed one is pretty big.

On the topic of more slots - don't forget that the 3 new powers will make excellent places to take the Stealth pool for Luck of the Gambler +recharge mule powers, or grab another travel power (having superspeed is very nice on anyone), or the Leadership pool (kheldians have a pretty good leadership mod), or to fill in your build if you skipped things like conserve power or starless step, or your self-rez.

On the topic of dwarf form and mez protection: Mez protection shouldn't be your reason to go dwarf. Tanking for a team should be your reason to go dwarf. If tanking for a team isn't enough of a reason to dwarf up, then maybe the problem's not with dwarf/khelds/mez protection, and more with tanking in City of Heroes.

I've always loved playing my Tri-form PB and enjoy tanking for teams when necessary. The biggest drawback to me was the lack of movement speed, and this is really going to change that. I used to only like it when I'd have someone to SB me...

And yes, the extra slots to put uniques and other IOs in is going to be a nice benefit.

No one has posted anything post I19 to point out that the inherent fitness that we were told would be available in Kheldian forms is not actually working that way.

The buff icons drop when you change forms, and the numbers drop from combat attributes. So, did Castle actually screw up , or is this working as intended? Maybe this is a known bug?

My warshade was the first toon I went for when i19 came out..

I have done a respec and I do not see inherent fitness functioning in forms.

Combat attributes or buff icons disappear when I go into a form..

reading these last few post got me to log in my warshade. I have not done the respec yet, and did not have any of the fitness pool in use. The inherent fitness now shows with all 4 powers with empty slots. All 4 powers show on screen and in the combat attributes in all 3 forms. To see if they are active I dropped some enhancements in them and the values change accordingly in the combat attributes. Still going to do the respec, since I was just waiting on I19, to move a couple of slots. Hopefully no problems. I'll update after I'm done.

After completing the respec, every thing is the same, other than a small difference in total endurance recovery reported in the combat attributes and mids.

Alright inherent powers are active now!!!! So there had to be something that occurred from Wednesday to today.. ALL is good and me happy shade!