Fitness to become inherent in i19

As much as I sympathize with Airhammer's P.O.V...

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueRaptor It doesn't confuse me. It's just wrong. If that four powers become inherent, you'll have the same amount of power choices but less powers to choose from. That means less possible combinations of powers. Less 'variety'.

Possible combinations of powers isn't the same thing as actual power combinations that players use for their characters. Yes, there will be fewer possible combinations of powers that can be selected, but if more than 80% of the playerbase take the same 2 or 3 powers, that means less actual variety in builds.

Quote:

The point was, if 99% take three powers of that pool now, even those 99% don't take all four. And from what people including yourself wrote, they don't all take the same three. But everyone will be given all four. Which means less variety.

You already claimed that the Fitness pool will no longer be possible choices, which I agree with. However, if they're no longer choices, they have no affect on the possible variety of builds; variety implies that other options are possible. You really can't have it both ways.

my Ill/emp controller doesnot have fitness pool, so getting the free fitness will be automatic when I19, 4 IO slotting later to fill default slot and she will be I19 ready.

From a power variety perspective, there is no way that this does not improve variability. Even at a low level there area ton of powers that you can take that are decent with just the base slot - Taunt on Tanks, travel powers, prereq's for powerpools you eventually want (most people don't put boxing into an attack chain for instance). At higher levels it will make it easier to take self rezz's, certain powers from the leadership pool, stealth, and other powers that I wouldn't have even thought of before simply because stamina on just about every character I owned, ate up 3 power selections, 1 power pool selection, and two slots (I don't usually bother putting 2 more slots into health unless I'm trying to min/max regeneration on a character...I usually just recover with some kind of self heal. Unless I don't have one and then I generally don't need one. Besides greens drop readily enough)

It will make certain character's choices harder in a way - my SoA and Warshade already have too many powers to choose from and taking stamina helped me self limit. Yet with that said, it STILL won't matter that much. You can argue that in terms of slots inherent stamina is a questionable thing (when in reality it's not that different from before because, and I can't speak for most people,but for me it only ate up 2 slots I had to give out. Ever.) but there's no possible way that making something inherent that you see on virtually every random build I come across (save for a select few that always seem to come out to answer it - please notice my word choice) doesn't help build variability.

Things are being blown well out of proportion. As usual.

Omgogomgomgomgogmogmg

As with so many arguments, it depends on how you're defining terms.

For the purposes of this argument, you can define "variability" in power picks two ways. You could define it as:

A) a measure of how much difference there is in all powers picked when comparing two builds with the same AT and powersets.

OR

B) a measure of how much difference there is in optional powers picked when comparing any two builds with the same AT and powersets.

Definition (A) means you have to include all the powers we all get, such as Sprint and Rest. If you use this definition, inherent Fitness reduces overall variability in builds, because it increases the total number of powers any two builds will have in common. Even if most people had it to start with, everyone will have it after I19.

Definition (B) means you specifically exclude the powers we all get, because they aren't choices anyway. If you use this definition, inherent Fitness increases overall variability, because it takes three powers most people choose to take and removes them from the list of optional choices. Players will then replace those three powers with other optional choices, which will (probably) not always be the same choices.

BlueRaptor is using definition (A). Everyone arguing with him seems to be using definition (B).

Is there by any chance, or would be nice if not, to alternatively have a way to increase your regeneration and recovery with incarnates, via maybe some accolade bonuses, or "earned" auto powers similar to patrons, and also to get more slots for the increased power availability?

One big concern, for blasters for example, I like focusing to regenerate, and hate aid self, but seems like that's going to be the new standard on a blaster with this new issue. It would be nice to have more options for regeneration for a more alternate way to play/build. With fitness going inherent, and aid self feeling more like the norm I almost feel there should still be a pool like fitness to increase regeneration etc.