The August Fan Art Battle - VOTE!!
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Amerikatt,
Posted on: 2010-08-29 16:58 in Multi-Media Fan Creations
I have to be honest - I'm a little confused on the instant winner thing anyway. CR won immunity for this month(due to his win last month) which basically brought it down to Shia and Pyro being voted on this month. Pyro dropped out. Therefore final battle would be CR vs Shia. Unless I missed something. Am I missing something?
Thinking goes that CR had immunity and with Pyro dropping out this month would be between CR and Shia... Since CR had immunity, contest over.
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Sounds pretty fair to me. It would be a real shame to see this whole thing end with this month's debacle.
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Originally Posted by Bayani
Well, I'd hate to see the contest end without a clear winner and since I do technically work for Wassy, I can assist with the final contest. There isn't much to admin a contest between two entrants.
So here's my offer...I'll put up a $50 cash prize to see the September Ribbons Battle take place between Shia and CR. The prize money will only be awarded if both Shia and Christopher Robin submit work in line with the theme. This means that if both Shia or CR agree to battle it out, but back out or fail to submit a qualifying submission by the agreed to deadline, no cash prize will be awarded and the remaining entrant will be declared undisputed 2010 FArt Competition winner. |
Actually I went back and this was from the original post:
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So I'm not seeing where CRs immunity plays into that. Also, Pyro dropped out after the voting began. I didn't personally see there was final decision on if he was being voted on or not (Heck I even voted for him as did most everyone else). Did anyone actually count the votes as is? |
Originally Posted by Wassy
Well, as it turns out, we now only have three battlers left! Being as such, there's one elimination this month and next month will be the final fight.
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In months past (if memory serves and it may not) when there was a drop out it usually counted as the elimination for the month, hence CR and Shia should STILL be the final two.
I've been trying to stay out of the drama as it's not my usual thing but I'd like to see a "fair" end to this.
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Your logic is neither sound nor valid as your premise only has merit if you completely ignore the guaranteed immunity. |
Originally Posted by FrozenDeath
............ If you don't want to do it, but Shia does, I would say Shia wins by default. Likewise, if Shia doesn't want to continue, you'd win by default. If neither of you want to continue, I'd just say the event fizzled without reaching the end.
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Two people left, one cannot lose and the person hosting/officiating is leaving. The outcome is a win by default.
@DJ1: Thanks man.
Yeah I did put in a lot of hard work (as did many others) and I'm glad someone appreciates it. Also yeah I was wondering what happened to Lousy Day too... anyone know if he is still posting or did his subscription run out? I would think he could still have posted an entry to DA had he wanted to and someone could've linked it here for him... I hope everything is ok where ever you're at LD.
Edit: Holy flurry of activity while I responded to BW.
@Powerstream Caemgen summed the position up.
@Frost and Caemgen and peeps in general: My biggest problem is getting to the end and having nobody there to officially run it. It would be like if Paragon Studios held another big contest, they set up the rules and declared a theme for the upcoming event but then mid-way through they go out of business and disappear. They don't return in time and no one is there to oversee the contest... what would happen? The contest would end prematurely and that is what I saw happening here.
If Bayani is willing to substitute for Wassy then my position would be I want to talk to both Shia and Pyro and know if
a) Shia is still in.
b) If Pyro wants in or is staying out.
c) If the theme of ribbons is ok with the others.
d) Would those remaining accept Bayani as substitute for Wassy. (I see no problem with it at the moment)
I sent you both PM's I'm willing to talk and see what we come up with if you guys are.
@Bayani: Thankyou for stepping up and offering a potentially viable alternative. I too would like to see a better ending to this contest than what some are trying to make of it. I honestly wasn't thrilled with the "win by default" but it seemed a better choice than going on with no one in official capacity to make a ruling in case of controversy... it could have gone from bad ending to worse.
*emote salutes Bayani*
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Wassy has spoken!! Ribbons, ribbons everywhere! Let's see the Shia vs CR ribbonage!! |
Originally Posted by Wassy
Next month's theme is ribbons.
I'm taking Pyro's concession as making CR vs. Shia as the final fight. ...You can either do this final ribbony theme or not. There's not money or a prize on the line, and I don't think the street cred is really going to shoot the winner to fame or fortune, either. CR should advance for his immunity, I saw no malicious intent to break the rules in his entry, and Shia should advance for his wonderful entry, regardless of Pyro's concession. |
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3 people started the month. You had immunity, meaning you were safe regardless of whether Shia or Pyro got voted out. Pyro withdrew, leaving 2 for the next round, for which Wassy has already given the theme. Your premise, which is false based on the way things have run in the past, is that Pyro withdrawing from the competition does not count as an elimination for the month--meaning Shia must then lose. As far as I can tell, you are the only one supportive of this outcome.|
Your logic is neither sound nor valid as your premise only has merit if you completely ignore the guaranteed immunity. Two people left, one cannot lose and the person hosting/officiating is leaving. The outcome is a win by default. |
Why is this a big deal? There are two people. You have a theme. You just need to do the entries and have people vote.
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I took all the points raised during voting madness, and came down to the decision that seemed the most fair. What CR quoted was my reaction to Pyro saying he should have just dropped in the first place and wanted his entry considered as such, but he did suggest just conceding in the vote and letting CR and Shia move on. This course of action makes the most sense to me.
And we all love ribbons!
Thanks for stepping up, Bayani-man. I definitely feel bad for having to let the account go before the last fight, but when push comes to shove, I've got to go for being a board member at college over FArt Mistress.
I think I have a week or two left of posting time.
Not that it matters per Wassy's above post BUT since I brought it up.... Foo got a half point because someone listed him as a 4th place. Caemgen declared he was the winner at some point anyway and Suichiro has already won next month's contest out of pure joy for ribbons.
Top section is the actual points talley NOT the place they were chosen. The bottom half breaks down how many of each place they were voted.... It made sense in my head when I did it I swear!
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I believe it'd be best to follow through on Wassy's original intentions. Based on her statements, I believe her declaration is for September to be a Shia vs. CR with the secret theme being.... inju *cues dramatic music/choir and a rising platform center stage with a variety of ribbons*|
Originally Posted by ChristopherRobin
If Bayani is willing to substitute for Wassy then my position would be I want to talk to both Shia and Pyro and know if
a) Shia is still in. b) If Pyro wants in or is staying out. c) If the theme of ribbons is ok with the others. d) Would those remaining accept Bayani as substitute for Wassy. (I see no problem with it at the moment) |
If you agree to it CR...and if Shia posts in this thread that he agrees to this one-on-one battle, I'll pony-up the cash prize to make it more interesting. I do want to re-iterate that there is a caveat to the cash prize...both you and Shia can't back out after agreeing to the final face-off. If either one of you withdraws after the fact, the remaining player is declared winner but the cash prize is off the table. Otherwise, the rules are the same as the past months, with votes on the CoH forums tabulated and person with the overall highest total declared winner.
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1) Actually, repeatedly telling someone they are wrong using repeated efforts of unrelated examples like spelling someone's name incorrectly is so baseless I do find it to be mudslinging. And YES, this is my opinion - and NO, I shouldn't have to preface every comment I make with "in my opinion" because (drum roll please) nearly 100% of what anyone says here is an opinion and it is redundant to preface that every time. Yeesh. |
Originally Posted by ChristopherRobin
@Johnnykat: Telling someone they are making numerous errors ≠ (does not equal) mudslinging.
Also I'm not avoiding the question at all I just realize I am in no position to to make an official ruling on it. Neither are you. Neither is a mod. Asking for a mod's perspective is just a diversion as he/she could only give their opinion the same as you could... and it would be equally useless in deciding this contest. It is for the FArt admin alone to decide. You seem not to understand this though as you don't say "you think" Shia should win or present what you think you see to Wassy and leave it at that, instead you declare that Shia should indeed have already won. By the time you get around to saying "in my opinion", in parenthesis... at the end, you are already speaking in past tense and congratulating him on his victory like it's a forgone conclusion... that somehow because you declare it's over, it must be over. Your flawed opinion has no bearing here. So I say again you are wrong and it is not your decision to make. |
2) As for avoiding the question. Yes, I still think you did - sorry. There was a significant number of people questioning this - not just me. Wassy, mentioned a number of people pointing this out. To me that meant she was also getting PMs about it. AT THE TIME (because it doesn't really matter anyways) I was under the impression Wassy was still mulling it over. Hence, why I suggested a Mod review it. To say the Mod would have no bearing on this is incorrect based on the user agreement of the board (so yes, here is an example of a comment not being an opinion). A Mod's decision over-rules any player event's hosting decision since all events have to fit within the rules of the boards - it is that simple. Obviously, I didn't bother asking a Mod - I merely suggested it if Wassy was having hesitations. Clearly though, she didn't feel the need to and just let this contest ride out without recommenting on it until the contest vote timer expired - cool, no biggie. It was just a question - one that I was not alone in wondering.
3) In regards to seemingly being upset about my original commentary on Shia winning this month. Funny how things worked out and I happened to be right - shocking! (yes, sarcasm). But all kidding aside, you slammed me for stating this, yet it seemed you've been pretty cool continually trying to accept the over-all title of FArt 2010 winner since Pyro first conceded (a considerable amount of time before I ever commented). So why is it cool for you to do this, but if someone else gets cheered on that is grounds for attacking them?
@DonatoJames: I agree, a lot of drama to deal with especially this month. I appreciate seeing the support you have for an artist you like here. I wanted to congratulate you on your dedicated support of this event (especially in those hot and heavy last few minutes of voting).
Looking forward to seeing Shia and CR go one more month. Are we in agreement that this month doesn't have immunity? I can hold that $50 dollar prize purse in escrow for ya Bayani.
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Nope, I actually got zero PMs about the nipular issue. I said people as in you and I thought I saw it mentioned by one other poster. So by one person, I had to use "people" instead of "you".
CR then brought up his PRIOR posts as to his intentions with the piece, before it ever came out and explained his thinking. Nothing to do with the voting, those supports were more than adequate for me to rule it a problem of line choice, not trying to have extra nudity.
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Me, Shaper, VexXxa and FD, from my quick first glance over the event. I just wanted to clarify for sake of drama and the seemingly harsh hit I took for my opinion and not the others. Thanks again Wassy for sticking through this as far you could and good luck again on your new opportunity!
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Originally Posted by Wassy
Nope, I actually got zero PMs about the nipular issue. I said people as in you and I thought I saw it mentioned by one other poster. So by one person, I had to use "people" instead of "you".
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Money you say....! Well hurry up and post the guide lines, we're running out of days in the month.
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Originally Posted by Bayani
I believe it'd be best to follow through on Wassy's original intentions. Based on her statements, I believe her declaration is for September to be a Shia vs. CR with the secret theme being.... inju *cues dramatic music/choir and a rising platform center stage with a variety of ribbons*
If you agree to it CR...and if Shia posts in this thread that he agrees to this one-on-one battle, I'll pony-up the cash prize to make it more interesting. I do want to re-iterate that there is a caveat to the cash prize...both you and Shia can't back out after agreeing to the final face-off. If either one of you withdraws after the fact, the remaining player is declared winner but the cash prize is off the table. Otherwise, the rules are the same as the past months, with votes on the CoH forums tabulated and person with the overall highest total declared winner. |
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Think that was it. Must relate to Ribbions. FIGHT! |
Originally Posted by Toxic_Shia
Money you say....! Well hurry up and post the guide lines, we're running out of days in the month.
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Oh... I suppose you mean the boring deadline stuff...
I'll take Shia's comments as acknowledgement and consent of the contest. If CR accepts as well, I will post the formal announcement asap.
Ribbons! Ribbons!! We want RIBBONS!! Ribbonfy the finals!
~*~VexXxa~*~
The City Scoop Art Correspondent/Writer "ART IS IN THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER"//"Don't hate because VexXxa is HOT and you're NOT." - JOHNNYKAT
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**** YEAH! Half point!
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Originally Posted by PowerStream
Not that it matters per Wassy's above post BUT since I brought it up.... Foo got a half point because someone listed him as a 4th place. Caemgen declared he was the winner at some point anyway and Suichiro has already won next month's contest out of pure joy for ribbons.
Top section is the actual points talley NOT the place they were chosen. The bottom half breaks down how many of each place they were voted.... It made sense in my head when I did it I swear! |
Also, while I'm at it:
RIBBONS
Unless Shia and CR get in on this, FOO WINS.
http://www.virtueverse.net/wiki/Massacre_Melanie -the original Fire/Dark Corruptor -
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=115217
The Guide to BURN
My final suggestion for this contest:
Shia, Pyro and CR should all get in touch with each other and come up with a way to settle this between them. They should do it away from the pressure of accusations, percieved pressure, dangled money or anything else except the desire to have a legitimate, fun and classy ending to this thing.
Unless that happens I'm drinking Suichiro's kool aid and declaring Foo the winner.
Even i can come giftwrapped in a ribbon thanks to Dr.Destiny
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Wassy already provided the results of the August battle and indicated how that the showdown should be Shia vs. CR. The only thing left is for CR to confirm he's participating.
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Originally Posted by Caemgen
My final suggestion for this contest:
Shia, Pyro and CR should all get in touch with each other and come up with a way to settle this between them. They should do it away from the pressure of accusations, percieved pressure, dangled money or anything else except the desire to have a legitimate, fun and classy ending to this thing. |
I wrote one of my typical rambling post with quotes and charts and graphs and weasels and what not but decided to boil it all down to this:
At this point I think a fair showdown between CR and Shia is pretty much impossible. I suspect too many people already know how they would vote regardless of what was submitted by the artists...
As such I think any show down is pretty much a waste and a joke and, now, a money grab.
I believe the only *possible* way to salvage any real sense of a champion is for the artists to work together and decide on a format they think would be fair to them.
*shurg* that's my opinion. Your mileage may vary. God bless you all.
Frankly, methinks there needs be a Ribbon themed showdown...
CR, I agree with your quotes and how you interpret them EXCEPT that you didn't declare you intention to just take the crown until after Wassy changed her mind, clarified, whatever and gave a theme for you and Shia to tackle.
In the post giving the theme she clearly states she think you should advance AND that Shia should. So since the consensus seems to have always been that the FArt Mistress' ruling were what we went by, I think we must allow this change of direction since nothing 100% declaritive had been done by oneone before that.
That is, assuming Shia wants to bother continuing.