The August Fan Art Battle - VOTE!!
Sorry, but that is indeed a huge U-Turn from earlier quips of "But the final say goes to the FArt Mistress".
You can stick your fingers in your ears and pretend it didn't happen, but I said Shia vs. CR and I said ribbons.
Edited to find the quote:
Frankly, methinks there needs be a Ribbon themed showdown...
CR, I agree with your quotes and how you interpret them EXCEPT that you didn't declare you intention to just take the crown until after Wassy changed her mind, clarified, whatever and gave a theme for you and Shia to tackle. In the post giving the theme she clearly states she think you should advance AND that Shia should. So since the consensus seems to have always been that the FArt Mistress' ruling were what we went by, I think we must allow this change of direction since nothing 100% declaritive had been done by oneone before that. That is, assuming Shia wants to bother continuing. |
Look, I don't need a forum ban today so I'm going to probably stay out of this after this post because there's about 20 things I've typed out and since deleted that I'd just love to say to you.
But it's quite obvious to anybody with a shred common sense that you (Caemgen) don't like Bayani or Wassy. And therefore, you've decided to ignore everything they've said and roll on in here with your proclamation (which as Wassy pointed out runs totally counter to your attitude earlier) on what has to be done.
It's already been decided, and all but agreed upon by everybody involved. A group of people which does not include you (or to be fair, me. But I don't have any aversion to actually reading what's going on in the thread) despite your delusions of self importance.
So yes. My mileage does vary. Because I chose not to ignore what's going on. And keep your blessing. What the heck does that have to do with anything anyway?
Sorry, but that is indeed a huge U-Turn from earlier quips of "But the final say goes to the FArt Mistress".
You can stick your fingers in your ears and pretend it didn't happen, but I said Shia vs. CR and I said ribbons. Edited to find the quote: |
Frankly one of the things that changed my mind is that the FArt Mistress resigned. I respect and support your reason for doing so totally but the fact that the contest ran this long under one hand and is suddenly at the last, messy moment passed to someone else seems like a derailment to me.
Another thing that changed my mind was Frost's and your opposition to prizes with a monetary value. I believe you both were right and that it doesn't help a contest such as this, only increases the risk of hard feelings and drama.
Throw in ALL the statements you said about who wins, who should win under what conditions, etc... And I think it best the artists work together rather than try to wander through this maze.
Look, I don't need a forum ban today so I'm going to probably stay out of this after this post because there's about 20 things I've typed out and since deleted that I'd just love to say to you.
But it's quite obvious to anybody with a shred common sense that you (Caemgen) don't like Bayani or Wassy. And therefore, you've decided to ignore everything they've said and roll on in here with your proclamation (which as Wassy pointed out runs totally counter to your attitude earlier) on what has to be done. It's already been decided, and all but agreed upon by everybody involved. A group of people which does not include you (or to be fair, me. But I don't have any aversion to actually reading what's going on in the thread) despite your delusions of self importance. So yes. My mileage does vary. Because I chose not to ignore what's going on. And keep your blessing. What the heck does that have to do with anything anyway? |
It is true that I have opinions about Bayani and Wassy but they're not what is at play here. I made several gestures towards Bayani in attempts to at least put a band aid over the rift but they have gone ignored. In Wassy's case I haven't made such a gesture but I also do not strive to continue the ill will...
What is at play is my hope that a good end to this contest can be had. I don't believe it can be done as was suggested. Note, I said believe. As in that is my opinion. I am not trying to force my opinion on anyone, merely expressing it. I cannot help it if that bothers you.
As for my self importance, well yeah... I am very important to myself. Why I am so important you your little group of Heathers is beyond me. I'm just wondering which of your group is the Veronica... But alas, as you suggest, my opinion carries no weight - That makes me wonder why you all don't just ignore it but seem the need to attack it at every turn. *shrug*
I call Winona Ryder. Fire is good. And Frost is more than aware that I'd blow him up in a second if I thought there would be comedic effect.
Well, Caemgen, I've largely ignored your gestures because quite frankly, I don't believe in your sincerity. You claim repeatedly that your expressed opinions of me or Wassy or anyone else you don't think highly of aren't at play but your behavior and actions indicate otherwise. For instance, at one point, you vehemently disagreed with me regarding the usefulness of model sheets. A few weeks later, you're looking to get model sheets of your own, and even funded a contest with the prize being model sheets. And what about the time you said that Nei Ruffino did a fantastic job coloring your Nema artwork? When Wassy expressed that she didn't believe you got fair value for those colors...you disagreed strongly, but then went around a few weeks later and hired Swanzy to re-color it for you. I also recall expressing my opinion that presentation is important and that a well organized gallery works towards those ends. You also disagreed with me there, saying that it doesn't quite matter because you're not going to be a hardcore collector, but then a few months or so later...your gallery's organized into folders by character. I don't think I need to point out either your rather long argument with Suichiro and Wassy regarding the suitability of my credentials for writing a guide on collecting original comic art before I actually finished it.
By sharing your opinions in a forum, you're inviting discussion about it. There are enough people around who care enough about art to discuss, comment, and debate. I personally don't care if people agree or disagree with my perspective. My only contention is that if you're going to express/argue a counterpoint and want anyone to take it seriously, at least have a little courtesy to do so in logical manner. From what I've observed, Caemgen, you determine what you want to believe before looking at any of the facts/evidence, then look for anything to back up your opinion while largely ignoring the other party's line of argument. Which is fine, I suppose, if you don't want to contribute positively to anything resembling a good discussion. However, it's fair to point out that "Your mileage may vary, God bless you" doesn't grant you a reprieve from people expressing their views as to why your arguments may or may not be valid.
Well, everybody got all opiniony in here right quickety.
I blame that effing unibrow.
I would also like to give my comments about this issue. Now while I agree with the first group of people, i think its the other group of people that has a bigger say in what that person over there said about what he did after he did it.
I would also like to add words like "monkey pooh" and "regurgitated donkey vomit" as a valid stepping point too helping to grasp the greater meaning of whats not so much said, but implied by the few people that are part of the said group that dont actually see whats going on or simply find nude women with strategically placed ribbons on to be a very good idea.
In fact, I belive nude women with ribbons should be the main focus proper, and nude women themselfs as a major focus mainly when there not wearing the ribbons.
and may the blessing of lord Xenu at the temple of Zuul guide your pathway twards the light of the donut cheese, thank you
This whole month of august thread has made me smile oh not for the reasons you think but because my buddy shias made it to the finals again .
ps
okay sure it makes me smile for the reasons you think too
bah you make it too hard to be snarky Bay :P
anyways woot final battle , looking forward to seeing what the two contestants create for this .
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Well, Caemgen, I've largely ignored your gestures because quite frankly, I don't believe in your sincerity.
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You claim repeatedly that your expressed opinions of me or Wassy or anyone else you don't think highly of aren't at play but your behavior and actions indicate otherwise.
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For instance, at one point, you vehemently disagreed with me regarding the usefulness of model sheets. A few weeks later, you're looking to get model sheets of your own, and even funded a contest with the prize being model sheets.
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And what about the time you said that Nei Ruffino did a fantastic job coloring your Nema artwork? When Wassy expressed that she didn't believe you got fair value for those colors...you disagreed strongly, but then went around a few weeks later and hired Swanzy to re-color it for you.
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Actually when Wassy expressed her opinions about the Ruffino colors I believe the point I was trying to get across to her was that I agreed to the fact that I didn't think it was Ruffino's best works but that I was still quite happy with them. Yes, I believe in public I showed no reservations about the arts because I tend to believe it's best to be complimentary of others works whenever possible...
As far as hiring Eddy for a new set of colors, the reasons behnd that were several and not one of them were because I didn't like the Ruffino colors. As stated, I did not think it the best job she ever did but by no means did I think they were bad.
Eddy was hired to do the colors because I didn't think I'd get Ruffino to do the other Nema peice I got and I tend to like things in sets, so I wanted the consistancy of the same colorist for both. Eddy also expressed great interest in coloring the first Nema lines and since I liked Eddy I liked the idea of giving him that opportunity. Finally, I made the final decision to have Eddy do that piece during that time when Eddy believed he was being shortchanged by a different client and I offered Eddy the chance to color these lines (at 1.5 times his normal rate) as a way to try and compensate Eddy for his loss...
Nice to see his representative trying to use my generosity and goodwill towards him against me.
I also recall expressing my opinion that presentation is important and that a well organized gallery works towards those ends. You also disagreed with me there, saying that it doesn't quite matter because you're not going to be a hardcore collector, but then a few months or so later...your gallery's organized into folders by character.
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My disagreement about presentation was in regards to the work inside a gallery, not how it was orgnized? My issue was with your stated desires os wanting "the best" gallery while I was stating my opinion that there is no "best" gallery since art is subjective and everyone's goals are different. The point I was making was that I don't want just "name" artists and never real, that is why I shall never be a hardcore collector...
As for organizing my arts into individual character... I think I did that really early on and it has more to do with me being able to find arts I'm looking for than anything else. I don't try to make my gallery look good for other people - I could care less if people are looking through it and feel no need to show it off. I'm not looking for watchers. Really I'm shocked anyone bothers watching me. My gallery is for my selfish little enjoyment and that is it.
I don't think I need to point out either your rather long argument with Suichiro and Wassy regarding the suitability of my credentials for writing a guide on collecting original comic art before I actually finished it.
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By sharing your opinions in a forum, you're inviting discussion about it. There are enough people around who care enough about art to discuss, comment, and debate. I personally don't care if people agree or disagree with my perspective. My only contention is that if you're going to express/argue a counterpoint and want anyone to take it seriously, at least have a little courtesy to do so in logical manner.
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[QUOTE=Bayani;3187112]From what I've observed, Caemgen, you determine what you want to believe before looking at any of the facts/evidence, then look for anything to back up your opinion while largely ignoring the other party's line of argument. Which is fine, I suppose, if you don't want to contribute positively to anything resembling a good discussion.[/QUOTE}
Actually I've pointed out several times in this thread times when I have changed my mind on things (prizes for FArt type contests, model sheets) so I find your argument that I ignore facts/evidence... Well, I find it applying more to yourself than to me.
However, it's fair to point out that "Your mileage may vary, God bless you" doesn't grant you a reprieve from people expressing their views as to why your arguments may or may not be valid.
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I may question why someone respond to me when they say my opinion doesn't matter but I never express the opinion that they don't have that right.
... By sharing your opinions in a forum, you're inviting discussion about it. There are enough people around who care enough about art to discuss, comment, and debate. I personally don't care if people agree or disagree with my perspective. My only contention is that if you're going to express/argue a counterpoint and want anyone to take it seriously, at least have a little courtesy to do so in logical manner. From what I've observed, Caemgen, you determine what you want to believe before looking at any of the facts/evidence, then look for anything to back up your opinion while largely ignoring the other party's line of argument. Which is fine, I suppose, if you don't want to contribute positively to anything resembling a good discussion. |

I'll need more than ribbons to keep my head from spinning out of control after reading this!
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Er...what? Caemgen, this isn't your contest. Wassy already endorsed Bayani's idea, Shia is on board, CR looks to be on board (awaiting an official confirmation from him, but he sounded interested in one of his earlier posts, provided Shia was in)
The only one who seems to think there's any controversy here is YOU. Read the freaking thread.