There is a bug with the badges being awarded for respeccing while in the "countdown" phase.
Whether or not the devs are going to strip the badges from those who used the respec bug to gain them is unknown, since it's likely that more than a few players were respeccing anyways.
How does it work without the bug... I heard the time counts even when logged out but i have a hero that says 10 days and i still havn't gotten a badge yet... any idea?
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You have to run a Hero Morality Mission first. The badge awards seven days after that.
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Originally Posted by Nitra
How does it work without the bug... I heard the time counts even when logged out but i have a hero that says 10 days and i still havn't gotten a badge yet... any idea?
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I have heard people say that respeccing or switching builds will award the badge early, which is the only explanation...I believe it's only *fairly* possible to have 2 at this time.
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Correct, either activity seems to artificially accelerate the 7-day waiting period and the badge awards (assuming, as noted above, the toon has completed the appropriate morality mission).|
Originally Posted by Camo_Fire
I have heard people say that respeccing or switching builds will award the badge early...
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Unless it's been stealth-fixed in the past couple of patches (nothing stated explicity in either patch notes about this issue).
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a Fix like that wouldn't go into the patch notes. |
Originally Posted by Eric Nelson
Correct, either activity seems to artificially accelerate the 7-day waiting period and the badge awards (assuming, as noted above, the toon has completed the appropriate morality mission).
Unless it's been stealth-fixed in the past couple of patches (nothing stated explicity in either patch notes about this issue). |
Developers policy is not to list exploit fixes in the notes.
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Couple of my alts got the badge right away without using a respec or build switch. Bug report logged at the time.
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Originally Posted by je_saist
There is a bug with the badges being awarded for respeccing while in the "countdown" phase.
Whether or not the devs are going to strip the badges from those who used the respec bug to gain them is unknown, since it's likely that more than a few players were respeccing anyways. |
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According to how those badges were supposed to work the earliest anybody could "legitimately" have all 4 of them on one character should have been around September 13th or 14th. If the Devs could somehow fix the bug associated with this and datamine for the people who have all 4 badges -before- September 14th then yeah sure it'd be nice to see them striped from a fairness point of view.|
Originally Posted by je_saist
Whether or not the devs are going to strip the badges from those who used the respec bug to gain them is unknown, since it's likely that more than a few players were respeccing anyways.
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But I suspect the chances of seeing that happen are just about nil. Heck for all we know it might take them a few weeks to even track down the bug associated with this. And by September 14th it will no longer be obvious whether a person got these badges via the exploit or by waiting the proper amount of time.
Basically this is just a repeat of the buginess of the PvP Rep badges. It's sad that the Devs let it happen, but at this point the damage has really already been done. *shrugs*
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Yeah but, in this case, it doesn't really matter. In the PvP badge situation, you could get the badge without undertaking the (relatively difficult) task involved. In this situation, you get the badge for sitting on your hands for a week.
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Originally Posted by Eric Nelson
Correct, either activity seems to artificially accelerate the 7-day waiting period and the badge awards (assuming, as noted above, the toon has completed the appropriate morality mission).
Unless it's been stealth-fixed in the past couple of patches (nothing stated explicity in either patch notes about this issue). |
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Originally Posted by je_saist
a Fix like that wouldn't go into the patch notes.
Developers policy is not to list exploit fixes in the notes. |
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You can earn them instantly by switching builds. I did /bug it as soon as it happened to me.
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Which is odd considering it is the sole patch note for the build currently on the Test Server.|
Originally Posted by je_saist
a Fix like that wouldn't go into the patch notes.
Developers policy is not to list exploit fixes in the notes. |
I suspect they don't consider it the level of exploit they'd normally not mention until a fix went live.
My Fort/Widow accidently triggered it during the week too.
Just to add, I think people who are exploiting it to get all the 7 day badges straight away are doing themselves a diservice. Of course I am a slow plodder, I am sitting quite happily as a villain for now earning all the villain side content. I know the other ones will come in due time. :-)
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I don't really care about badges anyway and was planning to sit at Rogue regardless.|
Originally Posted by Peacemoon
Just to add, I think people who are exploiting it to get all the 7 day badges straight away are doing themselves a diservice. Of course I am a slow plodder, I am sitting quite happily as a villain for now earning all the villain side content. I know the other ones will come in due time. :-)
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Getting another wee AOE confuse Temp power instantly was a nice surprise though when I switched builds to level. Even if I don't use it much. By the time the patch goes live I'll have been entitled to it anyway.
This bug allowing people to bypass the 7 day wait for the alignment power/badges really only annoyed me on the general "yet another stupid bug the Devs didn't deal with during beta" level. The specific issue concerning these badges themselves was fairly unimportant all things considered.
Like I said in an earlier post by the time September 14th gets here it will no longer be clear or relevant whether a person with all 4 alignment badges got them "properly" or not.
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Originally Posted by Peacemoon
Just to add, I think people who are exploiting it to get all the 7 day badges straight away are doing themselves a diservice. Of course I am a slow plodder, I am sitting quite happily as a villain for now earning all the villain side content. I know the other ones will come in due time. :-)
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Overall though, when alignment changes you lose your current alignment power to gain the next one so you can't really have all alignment powers and the powers themselves are nice but hardly considered to be strong enough to tilt the odds massively in your favor in a fight.
Granted players probably shouldn't be using this to gain the badges, but I don't think this ranks as a "game-breaking must fix right away" type of problem, at least not when compared to some other bugs that are present
You people really need to redefine the term exploit. You toss the term around way to loosely. Do you even care that you are basically just calling your own friends/teammates/fellow players a bunch of cheaters?
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Well, I must say this explains why I was seeing them, because I've been respec'ing and switching builds a lot.
I wouldn't really care if I lost the badges, but I still intend to stay the alignment for 7 days anyway. It'll take me that long to clear out my remaining missions before I switch sides.
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Only the ones who are purposely using this bug to claim badges they aren't entitled to. Do we have different definitions of the word? I'm not for one minute saying this is some kind of game breaking issue which must result in bannings, but people who are deliberately abusing this are exploiting it. Although according to your sig, exploits are the fault of the devs for being imperfect, and players must bear no responsibility for such things. That logic will get you far in life. |
Originally Posted by James_Donner
You people really need to redefine the term exploit. You toss the term around way to loosely. Do you even care that you are basically just calling your own friends/teammates/fellow players a bunch of cheaters?
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Ok, so, bug aside. I'm trying to actually earn these. I logged into every character when I realized the badges existed to ensure the timer was started. Since then, I have done some rogue choices on one of my villains, and I noticed that my timer seems to have reset to when I did those. My question is, am I working towards the villain badge right now since I'm technically still a villain, or am I working towards my rogue badge since it indicates "preferred alignment" as rogue? And, if I am working towards my rogue badge, will the counter continue after I do the mission that officially changes me to Rogue? From what I understand, it'll continue until I turn into a rogue and do a hero choice, at which time my hero badge timer will start?
Sincerely,
Totally confused badge hunter
The counter should be counting down for the Villain power, and should award after 7 days (or 168 hours). Running Rogue Tip missions should not affect the timer. If 8 days have passed since you reaffirmed your alignment as a Villain, and the power and badge haven't awarded, /bug and /petition it.
If you run a Rogue Morality Mission before your 7 day timer is up, and change your alignment to Rogue, you will get a new Countdown To... power. It will start with a new timer, so you will have to wait 7 days from the time the new Countdown To... is awarded.
Running Rogue Tip missions while a Villain does not affect the timer. Only actually chaning your Morality/Alignment does.
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And what exactly is involved with re-affirming? I don't think I did that. I just logged in then logged out. A couple days later I started doing Rogue tips. The plan was to do the Rogue tips, then Rogue morality. Then Hero tips and Hero morality. Then Vigilante, then back to villain. That way I would get the badge for going full circle. Should I have done 10 villain tips then the villain morality first?
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Originally Posted by Peacemoon
Only the ones who are purposely using this bug to claim badges they aren't entitled to. Do we have different definitions of the word? I'm not for one minute saying this is some kind of game breaking issue which must result in bannings, but people who are deliberately abusing this are exploiting it. Although according to your sig, exploits are the fault of the devs for being imperfect, and players must bear no responsibility for such things. That logic will get you far in life.
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While closed beta does catch a number or major bugs and oversights they are relying on their own players to police themselves. That would be nice in an ideal world but some beta testers are just there to find whats broken and hope it stays that way till it reaches the live servers.
Of course the total lack of feedback from the devs when people find these issues doesn't help. If they are consistently ignored when they are reported its kind of an unofficial rubber stamp that they don't really care until everyone knows it and is abusing it. I can run down a long list of bugs that I and my SG mates have reported over the years, in beta, that later became major "exploits" in the game. Most often the only response we would receive, if any, was that the system was working as intended.
To be honest, being told its fine and then later being called a cheater gets very old very fast.
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And from what I can see, it only counts time logged in? I checked my time before work, then again after work, and no change. Is it even possible to naturally play the game in all four alignments for 7 in game days each, before hitting 50?
Have no idea how this works but there are a few people that all 4 of these badges already...
Frenzied
Fearsome
Trickster
Heard the Call
How is this possible since gr came out on the 16th?
It's only been out for 11 days... unless my math is bad, it would take 28 days to get all 4
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