stay that alignment for 7 days?


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And from what I can see, it only counts time logged in? I checked my time before work, then again after work, and no change. Is it even possible to naturally play the game in all four alignments for 7 in game days each, before hitting 50?
After you do a morality mission, you get a temporary power called "Countdown to X", where X varies depending on which alignment you switched to. The power has a 7 day (real time) expiration, once that expires you are granted the alignment power and the badge for staying that alignment for 7 days. It's not based on the "Time played as current alignment" that showed up in the tips tab.

That means that if you're a villain, simply logging in isn't enough. You have to do 10 villain tips and a villain morality mission to "reinforce" that you really want to be a villain. Then wait 7 days after that.

Since you've already started doing rogue tips, you'll either have to do villain ones instead and lose your rogue progress, or just live with not getting the 7 days as villain badge until you come back at the end of your circle.


 

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MTS, You're my hero (or villain) I was totally lost on this. Now it makes complete sense. I can go ahead and convert to Rogue and get the ball rolling then. Thank you so much.


 

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You people really need to redefine the term exploit. You toss the term around way to loosely.
No, we don't. We're using the word correctly.


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Do you even care that you are basically just calling your own friends/teammates/fellow players a bunch of cheaters?
I would never do that. Unless, of course, they actually are a bunch of cheaters.


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While closed beta does catch a number or major bugs and oversights they are relying on their own players to police themselves. That would be nice in an ideal world but some beta testers are just there to find whats broken and hope it stays that way till it reaches the live servers.
This particular bug was reported both in forums and through the /bug system before Issue 18 went live. On the other hand, the 7-day counter only went into beta two weeks before going live, and it should have been enabled at least a month before to work out the kinks.

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Of course the total lack of feedback from the devs when people find these issues doesn't help. If they are consistently ignored when they are reported its kind of an unofficial rubber stamp that they don't really care until everyone knows it and is abusing it. I can run down a long list of bugs that I and my SG mates have reported over the years, in beta, that later became major "exploits" in the game. Most often the only response we would receive, if any, was that the system was working as intended.

To be honest, being told its fine and then later being called a cheater gets very old very fast.
Well it isn't really hard to see that this one was an exploit, even without developer feedback. All it lacked was neon signs.




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You people really need to redefine the term exploit. You toss the term around way to loosely. Do you even care that you are basically just calling your own friends/teammates/fellow players a bunch of cheaters?
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To be honest, being told its fine and then later being called a cheater gets very old very fast.
The definition I would use for an "exploit" in this game is doing something that achieves a goal or reward that is clearly contrary to the intent of the game system. In this case using a method to get a badge/power that you are supposed to wait 7 days for in any amount of time LESS than 7 days is indeed an exploit.

Now I think the problem your struggling with is whether or not a given exploit is actually "game breaking" or not. It's not enough to just label something an exploit black or white. You have to take it in the same context the Devs are going to consider it as far as how critical it is. In the case of this 7 day wait deal I'm quite sure of two things, 1) it's something the Devs did not want people to take advantage of but 2) it was a relatively minor enough problem that the Devs let it exist for several weeks without a quick hotfix or major rollback of the game. Think of how quick this exploit would have been fixed if it allowed your level 1 characters to become level 50 with the push of a button.

Obviously there are people like yourself who take the position that "if the game lets me get away with X then X should not be considered an illegal activity". Well that rationalization can only be taken so far. Just because the Devs don't fix something instantaneously doesn't mean they don't like people doing it and doesn't mean they won't ever fix it.

Basically this 7 day wait thing was a minor problem that was going to be fixed regardless because it was a very obvious fixable problem. Just because problems like this were found in beta and not acknowledged by the Devs does not strictly give you a pass to use them. But by the same token is anyone who used this relatively trivial exploit going to be punished? Of course not. Have badgers used all sorts of loopholes and exploits in the past and will they continue to use them in the future? Of course they will. But does any of that technically make it right? Of course not, it just makes them things you got away with.

Stop looking at this thing in such black and white terms. Being a "cheater" in a game like this is a relative thing. *shrugs*


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